What is a 1911?


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desert gator
March 3, 2009, 08:16 PM
I am new to guns and have heard allot about 1911's What is a 1911, and what makes it so great?

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shootistpd27
March 3, 2009, 08:18 PM
You can listen to many opions about the 1911 and most of them will be good. But the only way you will truly know is to hold one, fire one, then you will want one.

Galadren
March 3, 2009, 08:19 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_1911

Read.

Also, I agree with the poster above.

2RCO
March 3, 2009, 08:21 PM
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-73824383396943_2039_44552

This is a 1911^

One reason they are great is they've been made for almost a 100years with very little to no design change on most models.

Another reason you can get parts from 100's if not 1000's of suppliers including WWW.2RCo.COM. You also have an almost infinite number of grip choices.

They are nearly intuitive to shoot so most people are fairly accurate with them after a few shots.

They are easy to customize and work on.

desert gator
March 3, 2009, 08:23 PM
Ok so its a style and not a brand. .45calliber, single action, short recoil looks to be a few of the qualities

Rampant_Colt
March 3, 2009, 08:25 PM
THIS is a 1911 :cool:

http://i42.tinypic.com/w02tle.jpg

Moccw
March 3, 2009, 08:40 PM
This is a 1911
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff212/03anniversary/DSC_0004.jpg

2RCO
March 3, 2009, 08:43 PM
This is WWI reworked for WWII Colt 1911. With 2RCo OD green grips.

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-73824383396943_2039_450805

average_shooter
March 3, 2009, 08:45 PM
Gotta represent Springfield Armory here:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/average_shooter/IMGP2632-5.jpg

(Note: just a surplus uniform used for photo purposes)

2RCO
March 3, 2009, 08:46 PM
This is a model 1927
(Argentine for 1911) With some nifty Ivory* 2RCo Grips

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-73824383396943_2039_358198

ArmedBear
March 3, 2009, 08:48 PM
A 1911 was a .45 ACP pistol designed by John Browning and adopted in its final form by the US Military in the early 20th Century. It was followed by the 1911A1.

However, now, the term refers to any pistol that still uses the same basic design and frame. They can be Colts, or from any number of other manufacturers around the world. Some are built by hand, by custom gunsmiths, amateur and professional.

"1911" does refer to a whole class of semiauto pistols.:)

PT1911
March 3, 2009, 08:51 PM
it is the style of the 1911 that makes it such a great gun. It is a very accurate and safe pistol when used correctly and there is a huge variety of custom options available for later additions to any1911 you purchase... TAURUS makes a great one!!!!:neener:

desert gator
March 3, 2009, 08:51 PM
Armed bear thats a great answer. Those are beautiful guns! That one you posted Moccw just might be the most attractive gun I have ever seen! This is exciting, it a whole new world that I did not know existed.

average_shooter
March 3, 2009, 08:54 PM
That one you posted Moccw just might be the most attractive gun I have ever seen!

That's only because he hasn't used it yet. :scrutiny:

We need to see some holster wear! :neener:

Tinpig
March 3, 2009, 09:52 PM
This is a 92 year-old 1911 frame that was rebuilt during WWII. I shoot it all the time, and it still shoots great.
In the Army we just called it a 45. :)

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/19115.jpg

Tinpig

Jason_G
March 3, 2009, 10:02 PM
It is both a workhorse and a work of art. It has seen conflict throughout the world, has endured for the better part of a century, and will undoubtedly continue to do so. It is American in origin, although its capability has been recognized by other countries throughout history as well. It was designed by John Moses Browning, and despite the endearing moniker of "Old Ugly", it has been noted by many as being as aesthetically pleasing as it is functional. It is the carry choice and preferred sidearm for innumerable armed civilians, as well as professionals.

If there were one quintessential American sidearm, the 1911 would be it.

Jason

Conqueror
March 3, 2009, 10:07 PM
THIS is a 1911. :)

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd224/paintballplayer700/Guns/IMGP0278.jpg

I trust it with my life and the lives of my loved ones.

wunderkind
March 3, 2009, 10:13 PM
As for the 'what makes it so great' question, the fact that the slide is typically less than an inch thick makes it relatively easy to carry for a large gun. Also, since the trigger pull is short, linear and light, it's easier to shoot accurately than most other designs. The typical 38-40oz weight dampens recoil and makes a 1911 a fairly soft shooting .45, too.

twg67
March 3, 2009, 10:16 PM
This is a 1911..........
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll258/twg67/015.jpg
1939 production all original and numbers matching.

jpatterson
March 3, 2009, 10:18 PM
Conqueror, nice Solid Snake-esqe build! Very slick.

Here's mine..
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/5500/photo28.jpg

Nero_Atrum
March 3, 2009, 10:20 PM
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/Atrum_Censura/pics075.jpg

Heres mine.

archigos
March 3, 2009, 10:23 PM
I love the multiple safety options - having a backstrap safety is great for concealed carry, and having the manual safety (designed intuitively, with up being safe) is a great option for around the house.
I like having an external hammer, just for stylistic reasons.
The gun delivers a large round with minimal recoil.
Most importantly, it just fits my hand like a glove.
Having said all this, I don't own any yet :-(

Magnus1959
March 3, 2009, 10:50 PM
Nice weapons guys.

BCRider
March 3, 2009, 10:52 PM
This is a 92 year-old 1911 frame that was rebuilt during WWII. I shoot it all the time, and it still shoots great.
In the Army we just called it a 45.

New is always nice but seeing the patina that comes from almost 100 years of obviously reasonabley careful use is a thing of beauty. Well done and well cared for Tinpig.


Desert gator, as you've seen by now and likely read about the 1911 refers to the date of adoption of the design. There's another subclass you may want to look at as well. That's the 2011. A label given to the modified version of the classic 1911 design to fatten up the frame to accept higher capacity magazines that use the staggered loading pattern that is more typical of today's semi auto pistols. But the old single stack 1911 is still the classic that still works today and for many years to come.

I got my own 1911 back around Christmas and it's a natural to hold and point and shoot. The trigger on mine is "carry safe" which means it's a helluva pull for my range work but with the support market and information on the basic 1911 modifications are a snap.

nwilliams
March 3, 2009, 11:25 PM
Why do I have "I'm Spartacus!" running through my head right now:rolleyes:

Anyway someone wanted to know what a 1911 was and someone else requested holster wear, so here's a little of both.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/1911A1-6.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/1911A1-7.jpg

cavman
March 3, 2009, 11:37 PM
This is a 1911

shiftyer1
March 3, 2009, 11:41 PM
I just got my first one about a week ago. To answer your question, a 1911 is something that everyone should at least try once. Mine was a very pleasant surprise. Also almost all other models seem to look the same mostly, but the 1911's all become very personal asthetically.

JonF
March 4, 2009, 12:44 AM
This is a 1911

http://www.futey.com/DWPM7/images/IMG_1385.jpg

Dr.Rob
March 4, 2009, 12:47 AM
This is a 1911 (not an A1). Note long trigger, flat main spring housing, tiny sights, checkered safety.

My first centerfire handgun was a Colt .45 ACP Commander. I got this one (reblued 1919 mfg) much later.

Before Colt's patent ran out few called them 1911's, they were just 45's or Colt 45's. 1911 or 1911A1 is the military designation of a US .45 cal service pistol. Lots of MFG's make '1911's' these days, but a Colt is still a Colt.

Marathonman
March 4, 2009, 12:58 AM
This is a 1911!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42691060@N00/3082803254/sizes/o/

bensdad
March 4, 2009, 01:12 AM
"What is a 1911?"

A gift from God, delivered unto us through the hands of John Moses Browning.

desert gator
March 4, 2009, 01:22 AM
Wow thanks for all the info guys! SO is the fun in buying a new one, or getting an old one and restoring it?

bensdad
March 4, 2009, 01:24 AM
SO is the fun in buying a new one, or getting an old one and restoring it?

Yes.

bondmid003
March 4, 2009, 01:26 AM
jpatterson, actually Solid Snake's main weapon is a silenced HK SOCOM pistol otherwise known as the Mk 23 on the civilian market.

On the subject of 1911's, Springfield Armory makes a great one

Schofield
March 4, 2009, 01:42 AM
1911 is one of many genius creations of John Browning. If you want a really nice 1911 you should buy a Ed Brown 1911.

desert gator
March 4, 2009, 01:47 AM
Do all 1911's have that fang looking thing on the back? THat looks is if it could snag easily if trying to conceal. Also I saw one that said it was a 1911 but it was a 3'' barrel and a 9mm? Is it still really a 1911?

Schofield
March 4, 2009, 01:53 AM
Maybe to some people but honestly to me if it isn't a .45 then it isn't a 1911.

bondmid003
March 4, 2009, 02:01 AM
I second what Schofield said

Anteater1717
March 4, 2009, 02:10 AM
What about .38 super?

nwilliams
March 4, 2009, 03:58 AM
Maybe to some people but honestly to me if it isn't a .45 then it isn't a 1911.

That's a tough call, personally I think its the characteristics of the gun that determines whether it's a 1911 or not. I see a lot of so called 1911's in .45 that I wouldn't consider a true 1911. In my opinion there are 1911's and then there are the many 1911 variants. In my opinion there is only one or two true versions and that would be the original Browning M1911 or M1911A1. You could technically go even further by saying the M1911A1 is a variant of the original M1911 but that might be going too far even though there are some differences.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to be snobbish about the issue. I'll refer to almost any gun that looks like a 1911 as a 1911. However if you really want to know what a 1911 is then you should really look at the original first and know where the story starts.

Radagast
March 4, 2009, 04:18 AM
Desert Gator, the grip safety tang is present on all 1911s. It can be the original skinny style, as in post 29, or a beavertail as in post 28. As a minimum it stops the web of your hand sliding up behind the slide, where it will cut with two parallel tracks when fired. The beavertail goes one step better and prevents the hammer from biting the web of your hand if you have a high grip.

.38 ACP was the original round for the 1911s predecessors, .38 super is the hot loaded version of the .38ACP, so .38 super is a proper round for the 1911.

9mm is not a round I like to fire in single stack 1911s, it requires a spacer in the magazine and does not stack well due to the tapered case. Many people are happy with the 1911 in 9mm, but it's not my style. 9mm works fine in double stack 2011 guns ( www.stiguns.com ) used in competition shooting.

The original short barreled 1911 was the Colt Commander. The shortened slide and grip variant was the Colt Officers Model. These are all variants of the 1911, but reliability becomes less certain with the very short barrel variants.

benderx4
March 4, 2009, 08:46 AM
This is THE 1911:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3620/3327671505_820913d7fa.jpg?v=0

jpatterson
March 4, 2009, 08:59 AM
Bondmid - depends on which one you look at. In Snake Eater he had a suppressed 1911, no rails because of the era, and in the 4th he has a Springfield Operator, which can be fitted with a laser and a suppressor. Sorry about all the video game references!

Thomas Garrett
March 4, 2009, 09:27 AM
What is a 1911? Well, let's think? Ok, It's like a swimming pool or boat in pistols. You buy one, keep spending money on it to get it right, no end in sight and when you do get it right, in some cases you sell it, buy another one and start over again. Or, when you do get it right you put it in a safe and just let it sit. :what::neener: lol

PS. I shoot mine.

desert gator
March 4, 2009, 12:22 PM
This is no good, I have not even bought my first gun and I am already getting excited to get a 1911 as my second gun. The first gun I want to get would be to carry. I would shot it for a few months to get comfortable with it before I started to carry though. I guess I could combine the two steps and get a compact 1911 as my first. That way I could combine on the two steps.

desert gator
March 4, 2009, 12:42 PM
I really like this Kimber for my first gun. It would meet my price range and my desire to have an easily concealable gun. Im not sure though about grip safety getting snagged up trying to conceal though, and also a .45 might be big for a first gun, and expensive to shoot allot.

Thomas Garrett
March 4, 2009, 03:10 PM
Desert gator, Alot of people CCw .45's. I carry a full-size when i carry alot of money. The Compacts are just fine. Also, your choice is a great pick. Get it and enjoy!

bondmid003
March 4, 2009, 07:42 PM
jpatterson, I was going with the first two Metal Gear Solid's. You are correct about his third venture though. Nothing wrong with movie or video game references!

Galadren
March 4, 2009, 07:58 PM
maybe to some people but honestly to me if it isn't a .45 then it isn't a 1911.

qfmft

CapnMac
March 4, 2009, 08:08 PM
This is no good, I have not even bought my first gun and I am already getting excited to get a 1911 as my second gun.

In my case it was the first centerfire pistol I had extensive training in the operation thereof. As a result, I have a very strong bias to arched mainspring housings. Of late, almost no one arches mainsprings, and i do not know why.

Original design had a long trigger, no relief cuts on the frame just aft of the trigger opening, and a flat mainspring housing. At the request of the War Department, the model 1911A1 had a shorter trigger, milling and an arched mainspring--and that was "the 45" for about a half-century.

Let's see, my Series 70 has an arch (pachmyr, no less) the Officer's does too; as does the Norinco and the Hartford-built Argie--so a person can often find these things compulsive after a while.

My old "win the lottery' wish list (all straight-out "Please, Colt Custom Shop build me:") was 1, a set of electroless nickel with blue controls in Government, Commander, and Officers in .45acp; then 2, Same in Royal Blue but in .38super; and 3, a semi-tactical collection of Commanders and LtCdrs in .40corbon or .45super--definitely three wishes territory.

What gets carried varies. One of the best reasons for variety in one's safe, really.

krs
March 4, 2009, 08:54 PM
This is a 9mm 1911: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/twagger/guns/1951Commander-1.jpg

krs
March 4, 2009, 08:56 PM
This is a .45 acp 1911: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/twagger/guns/COLTNM2.jpg

krs
March 4, 2009, 08:58 PM
So is this: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/twagger/guns/70_GOVMTc.jpg

krs
March 4, 2009, 09:00 PM
These are smaller 1911's: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/twagger/guns/favorites.jpg

krs
March 4, 2009, 09:02 PM
This is an older 1911: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/twagger/guns/Ithaca1.jpg

krs
March 4, 2009, 09:03 PM
This is older, still a 1911:http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/twagger/guns/1916Colta.jpg

krs
March 4, 2009, 09:05 PM
This is not a 1911:http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/twagger/guns/44_LewHorton2jpg.jpg

(not my hand either)

tipoc
March 4, 2009, 09:22 PM
By DesertGator,

Ok so its a style and not a brand. .45calliber, single action, short recoil looks to be a few of the qualities

The guns come in a variety of calibers, 9mm, .38 Super, .40 S&W, .45 acp and the 10mm are the most common. There are others as well.

Drop by here for more info...

www.1911forum.com

http://www.coltautos.com/

http://www.sightm1911.com/index.htm

http://www.m1911.org/m1911dt.htm


tipoc

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