LCP v. Kel-Tec


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casual
March 4, 2009, 05:02 PM
i am interested in the LCP as an alternative/replacement for the Kel-Tec

LCP recall issues aside, what is the opinion of those that own or have experience with both on the relative size, quality, ease of use, accuracy and reliability of these two pocket pistols

i know there are other "pocket" alternatives available, but in my opinion, none of the higher priced alternatives could justify the additional cost, weight and size vs. the kel-tecs (mediocre quality and all), but i am open to persuasion on that point

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1KPerDay
March 4, 2009, 05:21 PM
I don't know about the Kel-Tec, but I love the LCP. Seems very well made, great fit/finish, shoots very well, totally reliable so far. Disappears in a pocket. For $300 I can't imagine a better .380.

tackleberi
March 4, 2009, 06:25 PM
Mine has been flawless, several hundred rounds of mixed ammo, but mostly Golden Sabre 102 gr. I've tried to make it not work (holding it weak grip, shooting it dry/no lube, upside down, mixed brands/weights of ammo, and even with boxes of the dreaded Magtech loads), and it hasn't failed me yet. I love my Seecamp, and carry it whenever pocket carry is an option, but the LCP is a very solid option as well.

You'll get some firearms hobbyists that get all twisted up about the similarities/"copying" of the Kel-Tec design (calling it "little copied pistol", etc.). Does it matter? It is a purpose designed tool for a specific job; one shouldn't care about such items as long as the tool is reliable/durable. If your Kel-Tec has been reliable/durable, I see no reason to replace; however, if your Kel-Tec has given you a hard time, the LCP might deliver on some of the aspirations you had for the Kel-Tec design.

Mine has worked well, and it's light weight is perfect for front pocket use/attached to a vest strap. Fit and finish is reasonable, but not Seecamp feel-good quality (but the LCP is also $269). Great tool, that fits a niche, as well as anything on the market, IMHO.

Milkmaster
March 4, 2009, 06:53 PM
My shooting buddy carries the KelTec P3AT and I bought a post recall Ruger LCP. We regularly shoot them side by side. We swap occasionally to try something different. You will be surprised how similar they are when you take them apart for cleaning. Very similar indeed.

My preference for the LCP is for ergomonics and the slide stop on the LCP is a nice feature the KelTec does not have. A mag extension on my LCP made it better for my large hands. My buddy's KelTec P3AT also has a mag extension. The KelTec extension lets his pistol carry one more round than my LCP.

Both pistols have been reliable. Either will fit your need. Pick the one that fits your hand the best. Then try to find some .380 ammo! Getting harder to find around here! I have one box I have been hoarding until I can find more. That one box keeps me packing until I can buy more.

Good Luck!

rogerjames
March 4, 2009, 08:04 PM
If you are worried about reliability...as you should be...you shouldn't carry it. S&W 442 revolver is my choice. I would never carry a suspect 6 shot semi-auto vs. a 5-shot revolver. Are you looking for carry convenience or reliability?

Schofield
March 4, 2009, 08:07 PM
I like a classic Tec 9. Anyone seen the movie Big Trouble in Little China?

rhartwell
March 4, 2009, 08:40 PM
I love my LCP. It hides easy shoots well. I am comfortable carrying it all of the time. I carry a extra magazine in my cell phone holder. I think that it will take care of most social situations that I might get in.

rogerjames
March 4, 2009, 09:02 PM
If the LCP is so reliable...why the recall? just because it fits in your pocket doesn't mean it will go bang. I carry a pistol for the extra capacity, if I can only carry 5 or 6, it's a revolver! My 2 cents.

1KPerDay
March 4, 2009, 09:28 PM
If the LCP is so reliable...why the recall?Do you even know what the recall was for?

USMC(Ret)22408
March 4, 2009, 09:34 PM
I got a recalled and fixed LCP. 350 rounds (mix of Wolf, Golden Sabre and regular Remington, plus a few Buffalo Bore 100 grain'rs) and has not had an issue yet. Simple to clean and carried alot. Got a nice little DM Bullard pocket rig that works well. The Buffalo Bores's have a bit of bark to them, but not uncontrollable. Shoots well. With some practice, quick 2 shot strings can be routinely placed in an 8 inch circle at 7 yards.

jon_in_wv
March 4, 2009, 09:39 PM
If the LCP is so reliable...why the recall?

The recall was not a reliability issue. Also, modern autos are reliable. My LCP has been 100% reliable through several hundred rounds. If I had a revolver it would be what, 115% reliable? No, but it would be heavier, more bulky, more difficult to reload, and harder to shoot accurately at speed. When I hold my M&P 9c up to a snubby I can find NO reason why I should carry it over my M&P. The difference in size is WAY too little. The LCP or P3AT is a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller.

The real question here is LCP vs. KT and I think its really six of one and half a dozen of the other. The LCP has a more polished feel and is a little smoother but the P3 has slightly larger sights. Both are fine pocket guns in my opinion. I used to carry a snub nose in my pocket in the hottest parts of the summer but I've switched to the LCP for the times when my M&P 9C is just not feasible.

rogerjames
March 4, 2009, 10:12 PM
Do you even know what the recall was for?
If your "life saver" has to be recalled... does the reason really matter:confused:

rogerjames
March 4, 2009, 10:15 PM
Do you even know what the recall was for?
If your "life saver" gets recalled, does the reason really matter:confused:

rogerjames
March 4, 2009, 10:19 PM
The recall was not a reliability issue. Also, modern autos are reliable. My LCP has been 100% reliable through several hundred rounds. If I had a revolver it would be what, 115% reliable? No, but it would be heavier, more bulky, more difficult to reload, and harder to shoot accurately at speed. When I hold my M&P 9c up to a snubby I can find NO reason why I should carry it over my M&P. The difference in size is WAY too little. The LCP or P3AT is a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller.
The concealment challenge between a 442 and a LCP is minor. The reliability difference is HUGE. If you are so worried about CAPACITY and RELOADING, you shouldn't be carrying an LCP.

1KPerDay
March 4, 2009, 10:43 PM
If your "life saver" gets recalled, does the reason really matter
:rolleyes:

okespe04
March 4, 2009, 11:39 PM
LCP is a shooter, rides in my pocket every day.

moooose102
March 5, 2009, 07:42 AM
IMO, they are both very close. each has its good and bad points, but in reality, they are rather small. the lcp does not have as good of "checkering" on the handle, so if your hand is sweaty (a real posibility in a sd mode) it will slide around more in yiour hand. the kel-tec has much beter grips. the lcp will put most of the brass in a nice neat pile when you shoot, as oposed to the kel-tec, which throws them in every difection for 25 feet! this is important only for 2 reasons. 1) if you reload, or 2) if you are a girl, and a hot case gets caught in your cleavage! it happened to my wife!. it was funnier than heck to me, but not so much for her. but i have had a hot case come back and hit me in the forehead. just something to think about. both of my pistols have had a trip back to the factory. so i dont see much difference there. although, the lcp wasn't "broken" when i sent it back. one thing i will reccomend is getting a couple of "pinkey" extensions for which ever you get. for me, it makes a world of difference in the shootability. good luck with your decision. if you have specific questions, pm me, i will do my best to answer any i can.

chuckusaret
March 5, 2009, 08:02 AM
I have owned both but got rid of the LCP because of the recall and a AD. Replaced both with a NAA .380

1KPerDay
March 5, 2009, 01:20 PM
got rid of the LCP because of the recall and a AD
Care to share the details?

jon_in_wv
March 5, 2009, 05:01 PM
I"ll second that. How was the AD the weapons fault? I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Its happened to me with a 1911.

gglass
March 5, 2009, 05:08 PM
The Ruger LCP is the better weapon for fit, finish and accuracy. I now have 3 in the family and an old P-3AT that will forever sit in a sock drawer. All three of the family's post-recall LCP's have been 100% flawless in functionality, and my wife and daughter would likely shoot the person who tried to talk them out of theirs.

As for the whole RECALL fiasco... I have never seen so much misinformation about an issue bandied about in my life. The recall was simply to fix a trigger-block issue that could have allowed the firearm to discharge if dropped. Is this potentially bad? You bet it is! The real interesting part is that Kel-Tec had/has the same issue, but NEVER issued a recall. Their solution was to make an inline manufacturing change, but to allow all pre-change P-3AT's to stay on the street.

So what we have is a customer safety oriented manufacturer who gets a public black eye for doing the right thing, and a profit oriented manufacturer that comes out smelling like roses. Ain't America great?

For the coming flames about how Ruger stole their LCP design from Kel-Tec... This is the sum total of enforceable patents held by Kel-Tec.

Kel-Tec CNC Industries patents:
* D527,788 Foldable bayonet
* 6,928,764 Grip extender for handgun

It looks to me that Kel-Tec and Ruger simply designed their guns using information from the public domain. Ruger does hold nearly a hundred firearm patents, if anyone is interested.

Don357
March 5, 2009, 10:05 PM
The LCP is a COPY of the Kel-Tec P3at. The bugs have already been worked out of the K-T, and still working on the LCP. I think the warranty may be better from K-T than Ruger, but I'm not sure. Both are quality guns however, and I think the K-T is less expensive.

gglass
March 5, 2009, 10:13 PM
The LCP is a COPY of the Kel-Tec P3at. The bugs have already been worked out of the K-T, and still working on the LCP. I think the warranty may be better from K-T than Ruger, but I'm not sure. Both are quality guns however, and I think the K-T is less expensive.

Name ONE problem that Ruger is still working out on the LCP, Donny.

chuckusaret
March 6, 2009, 09:50 AM
Care to share the details?
Fired when dropped off a work bench onto a concrete floor while cleaning other weapons. Stupidity on my part for having to many guns on the cleaning table at a time.

chuckusaret
March 6, 2009, 09:55 AM
Name ONE problem that Ruger is still working out on the LCP, Donny.

It is not just the LCP problem but the buyers confidence in Ruger Arms. Two new guns, two recalls and I call that a bad record to overcome.

Tirod
March 6, 2009, 10:52 AM
Two new guns that met government safety standards, two recalls in the same spirit that continues back to the recall on the Single Action Army - which is horribly unsafe if dropped.

The recalls are not a quality defect issue, they are a product improvement safety issue, and free. Name one other maker who does that.

Kimber, Glock, S&W, Colt, HK, ad infinitum have had issues with firearms for the last 50 years, but fixed only the ones sent to customer service. Ruger advised all their customers and bore the costs. Which gunmaker would you trust more in the long run - the one who lets you know up front, or the one who lets the problem slide to bolster their marketing image?

The LCP is a great small carry pistol, and like any other, needs break in, cleaning, and shooting to verify it's reliability. Given that Keltec had the exact same problems with the P3AT, and that LOTS of posters caution that ANY new gun can have teething problems, there is no point now in saying the LCP is problematic. Those pistols have been repaired and upgraded, the new 371 series don't seem to be the problem.

What seems to be the problem is old news passed off as the latest data when it's not relevant any more.

gglass
March 6, 2009, 12:11 PM
Two new guns that met government safety standards, two recalls in the same spirit that continues back to the recall on the Single Action Army - which is horribly unsafe if dropped.

The recalls are not a quality defect issue, they are a product improvement safety issue, and free. Name one other maker who does that.

Kimber, Glock, S&W, Colt, HK, ad infinitum have had issues with firearms for the last 50 years, but fixed only the ones sent to customer service. Ruger advised all their customers and bore the costs. Which gunmaker would you trust more in the long run - the one who lets you know up front, or the one who lets the problem slide to bolster their marketing image?

The LCP is a great small carry pistol, and like any other, needs break in, cleaning, and shooting to verify it's reliability. Given that Keltec had the exact same problems with the P3AT, and that LOTS of posters caution that ANY new gun can have teething problems, there is no point now in saying the LCP is problematic. Those pistols have been repaired and upgraded, the new 371 series don't seem to be the problem.

What seems to be the problem is old news passed off as the latest data when it's not relevant any more.

Well said!

I never cease to be amazed that some people cannot understand the good-will that a company is putting forth when a VOLUNTARY recall is issued. As was stated previously, Kel-Tec had the exact same issue and NEVER issued a recall. They simply made a change to their manufacturing process and allowed all affected firearms to stay in the hands of customers. Which of these two companies inspires more consumer confidence? I suspect that if one still believes that Ruger is the lesser of the two companies, then that person is predisposed to think that way.

When the City of New York, or the Portland police department, or the Illinois State police or the Indiana State police demand that Glock exchange thousands of faulty firearms... Does Glock then offer a recall or and exchange program to the general public? NEVER!!!

Why is it that companies like Kel-Tec or Glock get a free pass from most of the public, but responsible companies like Ruger seem to take it on the chin? I guess that my advise to Ruger, is that they should ever issue safety recalls and put more emphasis on their profits, like other fine upstanding companies do.

1KPerDay
March 6, 2009, 12:29 PM
Fired when dropped off a work bench onto a concrete floor while cleaning other weapons. Stupidity on my part for having to many guns on the cleaning table at a time.
Wow... I bet that was scary. :eek:

Tirod and gglass, well put. :cool:

MCgunner
March 6, 2009, 12:49 PM
I never buy new models when they first come out, just let the bugs get worked out first. I seem to recall problems with the first PT111s and the baby Sigma. The problems got worked out of the PT111s, not sure about the Sigma as I was never that interested in it.

WC145
March 6, 2009, 01:15 PM
i am interested in the LCP as an alternative/replacement for the Kel-Tec

LCP recall issues aside, what is the opinion of those that own or have experience with both on the relative size, quality, ease of use, accuracy and reliability of these two pocket pistols

i know there are other "pocket" alternatives available, but in my opinion, none of the higher priced alternatives could justify the additional cost, weight and size vs. the kel-tecs (mediocre quality and all), but i am open to persuasion on that point

I have a P3AT that I've carried for several years now and it has proven itself to be a reliable and trustworthy companion. I've owned other Kel-tec handguns and currently have a SUB-2000 and a PLR-16 in addition to the P3AT and none of them are of "mediocre quality".

A friend of mine has a LCP, I've shot it on a couple of different occasions and all it is is a dressed up P3AT. The fact that it says Ruger on it does nothing for it's reliability, nor does it enhance it's quality.

Ruger built a better looking P3AT but did nothing to improve the design or function of the pistol. Asthetics aside, the Ruger has nothing on the Kel-tec, it's not more accurate, it's not more reliable, it's not smaller or lighter, it doesn't have a better warranty, and Ruger doesn't have better customer service. I suggest sticking to the original and getting the Kel-tec.

KBintheSLC
March 6, 2009, 05:17 PM
If you are worried about reliability...as you should be...you shouldn't carry it.

The revolver guy that posted this obviously does not have any experience with either of these guns.

As a person that does have experience with them I would say that both are worthy of carrying for self defense. Around here, the LCP is going for almost $400, and for that price, I would rather get the P3AT for $125 less.
Considering that both are very reliable, equally compact, and relatively similar in function, I think that either one will suit your needs.

S&W 442 revolver is my choice. I would never carry a suspect 6 shot semi-auto vs. a 5-shot revolver. Are you looking for carry convenience or reliability?-rogerjames

The 442 can't even come close to the carry-ability of an LCP or P3AT. Furthermore, if you actually try these guns you will find that they are both convenient and reliable. This is nothing against revolvers, but pocket autos certainly have their perks.

1KPerDay
March 6, 2009, 05:50 PM
Around here, the LCP is going for almost $400
I got mine for $300+tax in Orem... Van Wagonens. I buy most of my guns from him.

rogerjames
March 6, 2009, 06:35 PM
Quote:
If you are worried about reliability...as you should be...you shouldn't carry it.
The revolver guy that posted this obviously does not have any experience with either of these guns.

As a person that does have experience with them I would say that both are worthy of carrying for self defense. Around here, the LCP is going for almost $400, and for that price, I would rather get the P3AT for $125 less.
Considering that both are very reliable, equally compact, and relatively similar in function, I think that either one will suit your needs.

Quote:
S&W 442 revolver is my choice. I would never carry a suspect 6 shot semi-auto vs. a 5-shot revolver. Are you looking for carry convenience or reliability?
-rogerjames

The 442 can't even come close to the carry-ability of an LCP or P3AT. Furthermore, if you actually try these guns you will find that they are both convenient and reliable. This is nothing against revolvers, but pocket autos certainly have their perks.

KB, you're right, I have never shot either of them. You are also right that they are much easier to conceal. I have just read from previous posts about the kel-tec that there seemed to be an abnormal amount of malfunctions compared to other autos, and that would make me nervous. Except for maybe a bad primer, the revolver will never fail to go bang. That being said, maybe I will consider a Kel-Tec or LCP for those rare occassions when it is inconvenient to carry either my XD-9 or 442. Didn't mean to hi-jack the thread :)

SCKimberFan
March 6, 2009, 06:53 PM
I thought all new guns had to pass a drop test. Correct me if I am wrong.

kwelz
March 6, 2009, 07:54 PM
I have owned both. I still own the LCP.

leadcounsel
March 6, 2009, 08:32 PM
First P3AT was junk. I can't remember all the problems - basically would not feed or eject reliably.

KT has a good warranty and replaced the pistol.

Second P3AT seems that it won't feed Wolf ammo reliably, but regular brass ammo okay. Verdict is still out.

Never shot the Ruger, but annoyed that they apparantly stole the design from KT.

rogerjames
March 6, 2009, 09:48 PM
First P3AT was junk. I can't remember all the problems - basically would not feed or eject reliably.

KT has a good warranty and replaced the pistol.

Second P3AT seems that it won't feed Wolf ammo reliably, but regular brass ammo okay. Verdict is still out.

Never shot the Ruger, but annoyed that they apparantly stole the design from KT.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Maybe as a back up or last resort, but never as primary carry.

jon_in_wv
March 6, 2009, 11:54 PM
WHy doesn't it annoy you how many companies have stolen the design of the 1911? or the AR15? Or how similar the design of the Taurus Pt-111 is to the P-11? or the M&P to the GLock? Or the design features Glock took from Steyr and H&K?

Imitation is a form of flattery and its a matter of regular practice in the firearms industry. Ruger hasn't done anything different than its competition has done a dozen times already.

PPGMD
March 7, 2009, 04:36 PM
My LCP is a 371 series. And I've been carrying it for about 2 weeks now (I've had it since SHOT I didn't start carrying it until my pocket holster, and CTC came in). I bought the LCP as a go anywhere, gun, slip into my pocket regardless of what clothes I am wearing. I can't go to the gym with a S&W revolver of any type, they are too large, but my LCP goes unnoticed.

As far a reliability, mine has had no issues. The recall had nothing to do with reliability, it had to do with the gun being drop safe. So in essence it's so reliable that it will go off sometimes when you don't want it to.

Now between KT, and Ruger. The Ruger IMO is a more refined designed, a better overall extractor, a smoother trigger, and a better company backing it.

Anyways I may have other guns on me, but I will always have my LCP in my pocket.

TRGRHPY
March 7, 2009, 06:43 PM
My LCP shoots perfectly. I have 5 mags of both designs and all shoot flawlessly.

You have serious issues you need to work out if you won't use a gun as a primary if it has had any kind of issue with it. It would seem that must not carry any type of firearm at all then. Absurd. Considering that the recall was about the firearm discharging when dropped, I find your opinion seriously flawed.

But I do use my lcp as a backup for my G-19...but maybe I shouldn't carry that since there are some people somewhere who have had an issue with the glocks.
So maybe I'll carry a 1911....oops, looks like that one's out too.

Perhaps an xd? nope..

maybe a _____...


After thinking about it, I'm down to carrying a slingshot and a Bible.

But the Bible has over 3,000 denominations, so I guess that is out too.

Down to just the slingshot, I guess.

EdLaver
March 7, 2009, 07:40 PM
The LCP is of much higher quality than the Kel-Tec. All of Kel-Tec's guns just feel cheap to me. I shot a friends PF-9 and it felt like crap in my hand. Jammed several times, mag fell out and it only comes with one mag. LCP all the way.

shooter1
March 7, 2009, 08:26 PM
When I buy carry guns I buy two at a time. That explains the 7 kel tecs I currently own. Only one not duplicated is the PF9. I could only find one when they first came out. My wife's happy with a P-11 and P.32 so guess one PF9 will be enough. I've been buying and carrying these guns since they first became available. Mine are reliable and accurate. I feel no need for an LCP. Seem to be good little pistols, made on a proven design, and look slicker than the KT's. Fit and finish mean nothing to me on a gun of this type. There are certainly no bragging rights with either one.
str1

khegglie
March 7, 2009, 09:24 PM
+1 Shooter............ I some times carry a P3at in BOTH pockets (just because it's easy and I can) :neener:

kokapelli
March 8, 2009, 11:59 AM
Name ONE problem that Ruger is still working out on the LCP, Donny.
Sure I can tell you one.

It's bullet smilies that may cause bullet setback in the casing and probably effect bullet expansion with hollow points.

The Kel-Tec P-3AT also has the same problem.

It's one of the reasons I purchased a Micro Desert Eagle that along with being a high quality gun, does not have the smilie problem.

http://usrange.org/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3049.0;id=546;image

jimk0512
March 8, 2009, 11:38 PM
i am interested in the LCP as an alternative/replacement for the Kel-Tec

I own a Kel-Tec and have handled the LCP. They seem really similar to me. I think either one could be an alternative/replacement for the other. If you already have a Kel-Tec and are having reliability issues with it, you could probably get it corrected for less than an LCP would cost you. For example, this gunsmith http://www.goldenloki.com/ offers "Reliability Preparation of Kel-Tec handguns".

mgregg85
March 9, 2009, 12:01 AM
Both are good guns, Ruger knows a good design when they steal one.:neener:

I've got the P3AT, I like it better because its the original article, and its got a more durable hard chrome finish instead of just bluing.

Does anyone know if the LCP's slide is molded like other ruger products? I know the P3AT's slide is machined from good 4140 steel.

vandave
March 9, 2009, 06:47 PM
Now if you want a REAL pocket gun go with the Seecamp .32ACP (and yes, I also have an LCP)...:)

skoro
March 9, 2009, 10:38 PM
I wanted an LCP but could never get my hands on one. So last month I bought a P-3AT instead. I've run a couple hundred rounds through it flawlessly, so I have no complaints.

Waldo Pepper
March 10, 2009, 08:03 AM
Bought a new PF9 yesterday instead of another S&W J frame and only paid $278 OTD with a box of CorBon 125 gr +P ammo. The S&W 442 would have cost me $450 OTD so upon seeing the little KT 9mm was $200 less I thought I would give it a whirl, besides all the cops around here carry them.

Jim E
March 11, 2009, 08:33 PM
I own and have used both the S&W 642 and Ruger LCP for pocket carry. I've not found one to be more reliable than the other. I was planning to purchase a P3AT when the LCP came out. I just found the Ruger more aesthetically pleasing.

A friend has a 642 he purchased within the last two years that has failed to fire on a few occasions with factory ammo. I understand Smith now uses a shorter firing pin than they had in the past and failures to fire has been a result in many examples.

Two other friends have P3ATs and they are very pleased with them.

rogerjames
March 11, 2009, 09:40 PM
A friend has a 642 he purchased within the last two years that has failed to fire on a few occasions with factory ammo. I understand Smith now uses a shorter firing pin than they had in the past and failures to fire has been a result in many examples

The difference is... a failure with a 442 requires simply another trigger pull... a failure with LCP/P3AT requires a bit more...

marv
March 11, 2009, 11:14 PM
I have both. Not a nickle's worth of diference between them except for price. Right now the P3AT is in my pocket and the LCP is resting in the end table beside me. Been that way for weeks. Later I may decide to carry the LCP and give the P3ATa vacation. That's just the way I am.

dacavasi
March 12, 2009, 12:46 AM
They're both way too small for my mitts....

AK-47Ghost
March 12, 2009, 12:51 AM
Sorry to all the K-T fans but I had a PF-9 that quit working after 3 rounds fired!I am glad my local dealer let me trade it back in on a Springfield XD-Compact!!!Am curious about the LCP but not ready to take the plunge yet...also looking at a Walther PP/K or maybe even something like an FN or Colt pocket model.I for one applaud Ruger for standing up and fixing their product...Kel-Tec couldn't give me a free gun!

Guns and more
March 12, 2009, 10:29 AM
Wow! What a bunch of dis-information.

If you don't want a LCP, fine. Leaves one for someone else.

kokapelli
March 12, 2009, 10:33 AM
Wow! What a bunch of dis-information
Like what?

kanook
March 19, 2009, 10:48 AM
I had a sling shot, the tubing broke and came back slapping in the eyeball. never heard about a recall for those yet. i got better tubing, inspect it regulary for wear and always wear eye protection. everything has a flaw (just ask my wife) the 380 is small for my grips but the 460 xvr is to big for daily ccw. the KT 32 with the 10round mag fits best. it also breaks up the image in my pocket.

ambidextrous1
March 20, 2009, 07:58 PM
Neither the recall, nor the copying of the P3AT, nor reliability problems are significant issues of the LCP; but the LCP's trigger is absolutely horrendous!

I can't recall ever firing a pistol with a longer trigger pull. Worst of all, rotation of the trigger forces the trigger finger into contact with the trigger guard, masking the point of hammer fall.

For those of you who think the LCP is a good CCW firearm, try emptying the magazine into a target six feet away in five seconds, accurately. That's a reasonable goal for a .380 pistol.

Ghostrider_23
March 21, 2009, 10:56 AM
I have to agree about the trigger being nasty. There was a gentleman beside me shooting his LCP and couldn't hit CRAMP. I had my P32 with the Crimson Trace and asked him if he'd like to try one with a laser. He shoot very well with it and said to me, "wow the trigger is so much nicer than the Ruger. Well my mind working the way it does just wanted to start talking to see if I could put and couplke rounds through the LCP. He said would you like to try the Ruger and I said YES!!!!!

I put 2 magazines through it and I have to say the trigger was LONG and HEAVY!!!!!! I was teaching my girl to shoot and invited her to shoot it and she did not like it either. I let the man continue to shoot my P32 and when he was done he stated he should have bought a Keltec. If I liked the LCP I would have made him an offer to buy it off him but I didn't.

No kool aid drinker here, I just like the trigger on the Keltecs better. FWIW.

To each is there own. Try shooting one for yourself as that the only way to truely know.

Hope this helps.

nelson133
March 22, 2009, 06:55 AM
These pistols are very similar and both companies make a decent product. I don't see the big controversy. I wore out a P3-At and the factory replaced it free, I assume Ruger's warranty is good also. They are very good for what they are, a last ditch back up that can be concealed in almost any circumstance.

76shuvlinoff
March 22, 2009, 09:45 AM
I wanted one of these LCPs when they first came out, now I'll have to wait 5 years for the prices to come back down...

:banghead:

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