124 gr +p Speer Gold Dots for all my 9mm's


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Dr_2_B
March 4, 2009, 09:00 PM
Just placed a large order based on some research on THR and based on current availability. From what I've read, the 124 gr +p is a great round - about as good as you can get in a 9. My current thinking (different from what I used to believe) is that this round should be about as effective as my 40's or my 45's.

You agree?

BTW my 9mm's include: Glock 17, CZ 75, CZ P01, Sig P6, H&K P7, Kel-tec P11, Kel-tec PF9

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CWL
March 4, 2009, 09:05 PM
No.

Effective bullets are ones that stop a BG. Bullets become effective when you spend a lot of time practicing bullet placement.

While Speer GDs are known for reliable expansion, the same bullet doesn't always affect different people the same way.

You are looking at it all wrong if you believe there is some formula to handgun self-defense.

Dr_2_B
March 4, 2009, 09:06 PM
Thanks CWL. You are right. There is no substitute for marksmanship and nothing matters as much as shot placement.

Lonestar.45
March 4, 2009, 09:15 PM
I use 115gr Speer Gold Dots in my Glock 19's and Kahr PM9 and have no worries doing so. Will it work? I sure hope so, but I also hope I never have to find out. I do know they're accurate for me, and they're quality.

geronimo509
March 4, 2009, 10:05 PM
I use the 124 +p LE gold dots. They are accurate and I can place them where I want. My only 9mm is a kahr mk9.

Big Dave
March 4, 2009, 10:08 PM
I think it's as good a round as any 9 mm.

skoro
March 4, 2009, 10:10 PM
Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, and HSTs are at the top of my list for carry ammo.

stormspotter
March 4, 2009, 10:16 PM
One of the most locally available loads for my 9mm CZ's is the Hornady 115gr XTP. My dealer has a few cases on hand and a box of 50 only goes for $18.10. The only 124gr he has is the 25 count Remington Golden Sabre and it is higher than the 50 count Hornady. The Hornady is a non +P load and it shoots the same POI as WWB 115 FMJ target loads that I use for practice.

I keep some Winchester 147gr SXT on hand for the cold winter months.

The link below tells a little bit about the Hornady 9mm 115gr XTP.

http://www.handgunsmag.com/ammunition/HG_xtpmarks_200807/index.html

chris in va
March 4, 2009, 11:32 PM
You need to verify it works in all your guns.

GRIZ22
March 4, 2009, 11:40 PM
Find a bullet that is

1. Reliable (pretty easy with most quality pistols)

2. Most accurate

Looking at #2 you might find 7 different 9mm rounds that are most accurate in your 7 guns.

I found my Glocks like WW Silvertips and my Berettas, Taurus, and S&Ws like any 147 gr bullet.

There is no one answer to "the best" round for anything other than someone falls for the manufacturers hype.

I don't care for +P or +P+ as you really don't gain a lot. My attitude is if you feel you need a +P or +P+ in a 9mm get a 357 SIG or 357 magnum revolver.

9mmepiphany
March 5, 2009, 12:34 AM
i'm converting over to the 124gr Gold Dot from the Ranger 127gr because the 124 is easier to find.

i find the 124-135gr bullets give you an edge in function...it was originally designed with a 124gr slug...and find it more accurate than the 115gr

gglass
March 5, 2009, 05:28 PM
Federal HST's are the current king of the hill SD ammunition. HST's offer the best all around expansion, penetration, weight retention and jacket adhesion.

This link shows testing sponsored by Federal, but all the tests were performed by LE agencies: http://le.atk.com/general/irl/woundballistics.aspx

Let's see your brand-X ammunition expand like this:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/344/hsttacticalle40it0.gif

matai
March 5, 2009, 05:46 PM
But does anybody know where you can buy HST's? I cna't find them anywhere.

BlindJustice
March 5, 2009, 06:33 PM
the Speer 124 gr. GD JHP +P is excellent, but
I prefer the Double Tap 147 gr. w/Speer GD JHPs
rated at 1135 fps in my CZ 75B with the 1 in 9.7"
twist rate - shoots very accrately and less muzzle
flash than the 124 gr.

Randall

glocks rock
March 5, 2009, 08:29 PM
I use Buffalo Boar 124gr Gold Dot at +P+ pressures.1300 FPS is supper fast.

threefeathers
March 5, 2009, 08:50 PM
Among others, that is a fine load.

MR.G
March 5, 2009, 09:51 PM
I like Federal HST, but Gold Dots are good.

DawgFvr
March 6, 2009, 01:46 PM
Don't buy into the hype. If it feeds well...functions well...and you can fire it accurately out of your personal side arm, any of the modern, in any grain configuration, 9mm hollow points work well.

I have not found a 9mm round that doesn't work in my Glock...and at self defense range...I can put them all in the right area.

There is no magic bullet. The point of impact and your accuracy is what counts.

GTSteve03
March 6, 2009, 09:21 PM
Federal HST's are the current king of the hill SD ammunition. HST's offer the best all around expansion, penetration, weight retention and jacket adhesion.
That's a negative. Based on the Wound Ballistics you posted, the Gold Dots are still the king for jacket adhesion, as they are bonded, unlike the HSTs. Gold Dots are the most reliable through all barriers and situations.

CAP1
March 7, 2009, 10:16 PM
Wish I had bought a bunch of the 124 gr +p GDHP's before all the ammo frenzie. It's next to impossible to find locally in anything but expensive 20 rd boxes.

gglass
March 17, 2009, 08:37 PM
Quote:
Federal HST's are the current king of the hill SD ammunition. HST's offer the best all around expansion, penetration, weight retention and jacket adhesion.
That's a negative. Based on the Wound Ballistics you posted, the Gold Dots are still the king for jacket adhesion, as they are bonded, unlike the HSTs. Gold Dots are the most reliable through all barriers and situations.

Well I suppose that we could just read the results of twelve LE agency tests that show the HST as superior to the latest and greatest LE ammunition available today. The lack of bonding only seems to affect the HST on rare occasions when penetrating auto glass. In every way the HST is the top performer, and gives the HST shooter a distinct wound channel shredding capability.

http://le.atk.com/general/irl/woundballistics.aspx

Given that HST is becoming far too popular in the civilian market and causing price & availability havoc, I'd prefer to have people buy the Gold Dots.

No more evangelizing HST's from me. Please buy Gold Dots, Ranger T's and Golden Saber folks, they are all as good as the next.;)

The Lone Haranguer
March 17, 2009, 08:39 PM
A qualified yes. Be sure the extra velocity and relatively large HP cavity function in all your handguns. The best load in the world is useless stuck on a feed ramp.

jaydubya
March 17, 2009, 08:59 PM
Actually, my t-series Browning Hi Power is loaded with the STANDARD PRESSURE 124gr Gold Dot. It's too old for the +p version, but I am not at all concerned about that. Gold Dot bullets are good to go. But if something better comes along in std press, I'll look at it. Modern hollow points have changed things so much!

Cordially, Jack

geronimo509
March 17, 2009, 10:24 PM
This might be the wrong place, But I am almost out of my 124+p LE gold dots. I saw some on gunsamerica or something and they were not +p. But my main question was, They are cheap, and I was wondering if the rounds that were recalled in 2002 were still out there?? Because I do not want to take a chance

KBintheSLC
March 18, 2009, 03:46 PM
I really like the Gold Dots performance after they hit a target. The only reason I don't use them often is because they have some of the poorest accuracy results out of my guns. My groups are bigger with GD's than with anything else. That being said, I think they are accurate enough for self defense so I voted yes... good stuff. My gun is full of Golden Saber 124g +P as it is more accurate IMO, but I would gladly carry GD's if needed.


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Hungry Seagull
March 18, 2009, 04:04 PM
I try to avoid +P rounds as I dont know if my gun can handle it. 'sides I feel that Gold Dots are plenty good reputation at typical SD ranges.

JImbothefiveth
March 18, 2009, 04:06 PM
My current thinking (different from what I used to believe) is that this round should be about as effective as my 40's or my 45's.
I don't think it will be as effective as a .40 or .45. Not to say it won't be effective, I just doubt it would be as effective

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