Has anybody tested Bulgarian 7.62x54?


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KevinAbbeyTech
March 7, 2009, 02:25 AM
Any problems with Bulgarian 7.62x54?
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WardenWolf
March 7, 2009, 02:31 AM
Bulgarian 7.62x54R is widely considered some of the worst. Inaccurate, just poor all around. But it's cheap and fairly common.

lamebums
March 7, 2009, 02:36 AM
I have some from 10/91 and am looking to get another can. Haven't had a single failure to fire in my Nagant. It is *extremely* corrosive, though.

nalioth
March 7, 2009, 03:33 AM
I have some from 10/91 and am looking to get another can. Haven't had a single failure to fire in my Nagant. It is *extremely* corrosive, though. You can fit 7.62x54R into a Nagant?

Saying corrosive ammo is "*extremely corrosive*" is like saying a female is "a little bit pregnant". Corrosively primed ammo is what it is.

Max C.
March 7, 2009, 05:23 AM
7.62x54R was designed for the Mosin Nagant....

wnycollector
March 7, 2009, 05:47 AM
I have shot both 1950's bulgarian heavy ball and the 1980's bulgarian light ball. The older heavy ball has some split case necks, but goes bang every time. The 1980's light ball is another story...very high quality ammo IMOO.

Deus Machina
March 7, 2009, 06:03 AM
You can fit 7.62x54R into a Nagant?

Saying corrosive ammo is "*extremely corrosive*" is like saying a female is "a little bit pregnant". Corrosively primed ammo is what it is.

Like Max said, x54R was, IIRC, designed for and alongside the Mosin Nagant.

Also--in my albeit limited experience again--There are varying degrees of corrosive. Whether it's different formulas that go into the primer or just varying amounts of the compound or dirtier powder holding onto the salts better, I'm not sure.

I thankfully haven't had a chance to study it closely in one of my guns.

Gottahaveone
March 7, 2009, 11:16 AM
Any problems with Bulgarian 7.62x54?
Only in that I didn't buy more. I purchased a case of 2ea 440 round spam cans marked 1980 production and another case marked 1981. I couldn't be happier. Not a single issue, problem, or concern after several hundred rounds of each have gone thru 4 different flavors of Mosins.

nalioth
March 7, 2009, 03:17 PM
Last I looked, the Nagant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_revolver) took 7.62x38R cartridges, and the Mosin-Nagant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin-nagant) ate the 7.62x54R variety.

Matrix187
March 7, 2009, 05:07 PM
What's the general consensus of the quality of Hungarian Silver tip Light ball? I have alot of it.

Hoppy590
March 7, 2009, 10:05 PM
Last I looked, the Nagant took 7.62x38R cartridges, and the Mosin-Nagant ate the 7.62x54R variety.

dont be that guy.

KINGMAX
March 7, 2009, 10:09 PM
How do you know if it is Bulgarian 7.62x54R by the markings on the 'tuna can' type? :confused:

_N4Z_
March 7, 2009, 11:14 PM
Bulgarian 7.62x54R is widely considered some of the worst. Inaccurate, just poor all around. But it's cheap and fairly common.

:scrutiny: Sure your right.

Want to learn a little about surplus x54r? Have a look here ---> http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo.htm

Here's what some mighty fine 1955 Bulgarian YT did for me, and my M39 B.
100 yards, off a sandbag.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/_n4z_/b-1.jpg

Hoppy590
March 7, 2009, 11:15 PM
How do you know if it is Bulgarian 7.62x54R by the markings on the 'tuna can' type?

if its the green 440 can, it will have a number 10 with 2 cirlces around it. elsewise it will be in 300 round silver tins. as far as i know only 2 nations widely used 300 round tins. Bulgaria, and China. and well if you cant tell the differance between Cyrillic and Chinese its beyond my help ;)

SimpleIsGood229
March 8, 2009, 12:53 AM
In my experience, 1954 Bulgie heavy ball tends to have primer pocket issues; the primer cup will sometimes get blown completely free from the case. This happens with my '54 Bugly HB in my '46 Izhevsk M44, anyway.

spiroxlii
March 8, 2009, 03:50 AM
I bought a dirty old spam can of Bulgarian heavy ball (yellow tips). The ammo goes bang every time, but I do encounter a few split cases in every paper parcel of 10rds. I also find irregularities in how far down the bullets are seated in the cartridge.

It goes bang every time for me, but I would say you should use your own judgment when deciding whether or not to shoot "imperfect" ammo in your rifle. My M44 eats it with no issues.

doubs43
March 8, 2009, 02:13 PM
My Bulgarian heavy ball (factory 10, yellow tip, 1954) was apparently stored correctly as I've found no split necks and had no problems of any kind. It's been reliable and reasonably accurate, shooting 2.0 - 2.5" groups at 100 meters.

sharkhunter2018
March 8, 2009, 05:39 PM
I have some brass cased Bulgarian light ball ammo. Never had any any problems with it. I don't know how accurate it is since I have never tried it. In the next couple weeks (waiting for it to get warmer) I'm going to test all the different 54R surplus I have in a couple different Mosins.

KINGMAX
March 8, 2009, 10:37 PM
7.62 LPSzgsz 2-21
440db 77-I
=SILVER BAR = VT 3/76 51



This is the markings on the top of my tuna can of ammo.
What is it telling me?

spiroxlii
March 9, 2009, 12:00 AM
I'm not good at reading spam can markings, but if you show us the headstamp on one of the cartridges and the paint (if any) on the tip of the bullet, we can probably identify it for you.

Moto
March 9, 2009, 10:39 PM
Recently I bought about 200 rounds of Bulgarian heavy ball and it all looked pretty good must have been kept dry or something, found no split cases, but did notice the difference in how far some of the bullets were seated. They all went bang and most made a nice fire ball. Its a gamble when buying a "sealed" can of the stuff.

Avenger
March 9, 2009, 10:52 PM
Never had any primer problems with the 80s light ball, and I've gone through a lot of it. Czech and Polish give me better results, but Bulgarian is solidly acceptable plinker ammo in most of my Mosins.

KevinAbbeyTech
March 10, 2009, 12:10 AM
NZ4, is that a Finnish Mosin?

If it's Russian, you have some of the nicest furniture I have seen.

KevinAbbeyTech
March 10, 2009, 12:11 AM
My brother in law got a batch that had no primer holes drilled, I don't remember what origin it was though.

Bezoar
March 10, 2009, 12:23 AM
only issues with 54 bulgy hb, the primers leak alot when you shoot. other wise perfect. they go bang, they are rather accurate if you taketime to learn how to shoot your rifle.
and they penetrate. a little to well.

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