Eveyone is selling their assault rifles!


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Clint C
March 7, 2009, 10:11 AM
I see everywhere people are selling their assault rifles. What's the deal are people realizing they would be better off with something else, or are they not happy with them, or are they trying to make money? Although a lot of the ones I am seeing are brand new never fired. Did everyone realize there really are no zombies or no apocalypse?

I am guessing we will see a big price drop here pretty soon and people that need them for competition and actual shooting, hunting with them well be able to buy them again.

This is going to be great the market is getting flooded and we well have our picks of the litter.

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jpwilly
March 7, 2009, 10:19 AM
I'm not...that means everyone isn't selling, some will. I too hope some selection comes back around I want an M1A still.

Clint C
March 7, 2009, 10:21 AM
+1 on the M1A

aka108
March 7, 2009, 10:23 AM
I think many people bought multiple units and are unloading some to make a profit and also feel that if our economy continues downward and unemployment increases buyers may become rare as the money dries up.

Karl Hungus
March 7, 2009, 10:29 AM
Did everyone realize there really are no zombies or no apocalypse?

Those who refuse to believe in the coming Zombie Apocalypse are living in a fool's paradise.

HGUNHNTR
March 7, 2009, 10:34 AM
I'm sure I will get blasted for this but I feel it is important.......PLEASE DON"T CALL SEMI AUTO RIFLES ASSAULT RIFLES!!!!!!!!!:cuss:

Lone_Gunman
March 7, 2009, 10:36 AM
What's the deal are people realizing they would be better off with something else, or are they not happy with them, or are they trying to make money? Although a lot of the ones I am seeing are brand new never fired. Did everyone realize there really are no zombies or no apocalypse?

I think you have completely misread what is happening. Most of the rifles being sold now were bought by people who saw Obama coming, and knew that prices would skyrocket. So they bought 2 or 3 or 10 Bushmasters a year or two ago when they were selling for $900. Now they are unloading some of their excess supply at today's exhorbitant prices, and making several hundred dollars per gun.

jpwilly
March 7, 2009, 10:38 AM
^^^ Yea, no go fast switch = no assault rifle. Who cares really we as Americans should be able to own FA's...I'm calling Thomas Jefferson to complain!

mr.trooper
March 7, 2009, 10:48 AM
ill echo what lone gunman said.

Im sure its just the profiteers making a quick buck. Supplies and pricing wont come back to pre-Obama prices until he is out of office.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
March 7, 2009, 11:00 AM
Those who refuse to believe in the coming Zombie Apocalypse are living in a fool's paradise.

Whether sarcasm or a true belief, either way, that's funny right there! :)

bannockburn
March 7, 2009, 11:13 AM
Karl Hungus

Zombie Apocalypse; I think you should apply for copywright protection before some software/video game company beats you to it.

Clint C

As far as the long guns are concerned, I too believe it's probably guns bought prior to the election and are now being sold for a profit. Remember buy low, sell high; just like they do on Wall Street. Oh wait, forget that; it doesn't work that way with the stock market anymore.

gga357
March 7, 2009, 11:16 AM
Where around here th 2 dealers I know can't keep up since the AG speech.

mr.trooper
March 7, 2009, 11:40 AM
English please sir. The only other language i know is Spanish, and that has gotten quite rusty in the last few years.

bonedust
March 7, 2009, 12:01 PM
i think people spent money they couldnt afford to spend to quickly...which is partially why this country is spiraling into the ****tank.

big price drop? dont count on it...

gga357
March 7, 2009, 12:02 PM
Where is this happening? The 2 dealers I know personally can not keep up with demand. A recent speech that mentioned the old assult weapons ban "gun ban" has increased demand for guns, ammo and mags. That is what I am seeing around here.

bonedust
March 7, 2009, 12:04 PM
he's probably refering to the scalpers market on gunbroker...

Gunfighter123
March 7, 2009, 12:30 PM
I agree with LoneGunman --- when AKs were under $400 , I bought more then oneas they were CHEAP.

I knew after the Clinton Ban there would be a high dividend to be made if there was thr threat of another ban.

I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT MORE CASES OF AMMO !!!!!!!!!

gga357
March 7, 2009, 12:50 PM
Seems like the trend for firearms is steadily up except for a few spikes and valleys here and there. If you are buying for the long term then even at todays prices you are getting something that will last a life time.

drgrenthum
March 7, 2009, 01:22 PM
at the tampa gun show last week it looked like they were selling strictly for profit. There were a half dozen guys out fron selling aks for 800 and middle of the rung ARs for 1400.

A couple more months and things will come down.

Lone_Gunman
March 7, 2009, 01:35 PM
A couple more months and things will come down.

They may go down a little, but don't expect much. I expect that every few months, some prominent member of the Obama administration is going to remind everyone accidentally that Obama still wants your guns. This time it was Holder.

Everytime they open their mouths, there will be a run at the gun store.

Art Eatman
March 7, 2009, 01:39 PM
People who look ahead and consider the effects of politics have always figured out how to make a profit. For example, back before the enactment of the GCA '68, I knew several "fat billfold" guys who bought all manner of handguns. Back then, there were S&W snubbies at around $50 or so, NIB. A convertible Blackhawk was about $75.

And gold was below $100. A new Ferrari was around $12,000.

Profit's profit. No big deal.

hadmanysons
March 7, 2009, 01:41 PM
I'm sure I will get blasted for this but I feel it is important.......PLEASE DON"T CALL SEMI AUTO RIFLES ASSAULT RIFLES!!!!!!!!! +10

However, if you are seeing a lot of AR's for sale its probably people selling theirs to pay for their massive credit card debt they accumulated building there's up to look like Call of Duty 4.

gga357
March 7, 2009, 02:05 PM
We are a capitalistic society. At least for the time being. I hope we can still count on supply and demand in the future and not socialism.

nwilliams
March 7, 2009, 02:08 PM
Who's selling their black rifles?

Seems to me these kinds of guns are still in high demand at the moment. People who are selling there black rifles are probably hoping to make a profit the way the current market is.

Phydeaux642
March 7, 2009, 04:04 PM
Those who refuse to believe in the coming Zombie Apocalypse are living in a fool's paradise.

And, remember, head shots people, head shots.:evil:

sernv99
March 7, 2009, 04:14 PM
people are selling maybe because of the scarcity of cheap ammo and they finally realized it isn't worth holding onto a EBR is the ammo is so friggin expensive and you can only afford to shoot it once every few months.

SilentArmy
March 7, 2009, 04:14 PM
+1 on those who saw the Obamanation coming! I bought/built 9 AR 15's in the yr before the apocalypse that is our current administration and most cost me about $550 each to complete. Although they are Now selling for triple that, I have not jumped into the scalpers market. I did sell one for $950 last summer to a co worker. I do not agree with the lack of ethics involved in raping the unprepared at a time when they may need a deal the most! If the time should ever come and we all pray it doesnt, they will be issued to family members with mags and ammo and god bless us all at that point. I see hundreds of them for sale at ridiculous markups on KSL.com and I just shake my head especially when I see some marked sold within ten mins of posted for sale.

rscalzo
March 7, 2009, 04:18 PM
Seems like the trend for firearms is steadily up except for a few spikes and valleys here and there

Change Firearms to housing and you have the last five years. When the bubble bursts they will be hitting the shelves at a cheaper price. Stopped by a dealer today and he had five new AR's on the rack. Oddly, no one was even looking at them.

Ratshooter
March 7, 2009, 04:28 PM
I started a thread a week ago about all the ARs at the Mesquite GS in dallas. The tables were full of ARs, there were several AKs and lots of people walking around with personal ARs for sale.

When I walked in the door a person was filling out paperwork on a new gun. That was the ONLY sale I saw being made while I was there. I'm sure there were more but not like it normally is. I am thinking that all those that bought with the intent to sell may be in for a surprise. They may not get what they think they are going to get.

I just got back from my dealer. He has almost no used guns for sale. He said people aren't buying that much and they sure aren't selling what they have.

I really don't know what to expect the market to do. I'm just glad I stocked up on guns, ammo and reloading supplies when I did.

lipadj46
March 7, 2009, 05:02 PM
Well I really expect there to be a glut of military rifles in the market some time in the near future. The economy is going to force many to sell their belongings and at some point supply will catch up to demand and with manufacturers working at full capacity will overshoot demand as it falls off quickly. There will be no AWB this presidential term at least and I think people are going to realize this pretty soon no matter what Holder has to say. This is only my personal theory and of course others are convinced of an upcoming ban and dealers and sellers will gladly stoke that fire.

dscottw88
March 7, 2009, 06:13 PM
I am guessing we will see a big price drop here pretty soon

Dream on, I know I will.

Those who refuse to believe in the coming Zombie Apocalypse are living in a fool's paradise.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Horsemany
March 7, 2009, 06:15 PM
Well I really expect there to be a glut of military rifles in the market some time in the near future. The economy is going to force many to sell their belongings and at some point supply will catch up to demand and with manufacturers working at full capacity will overshoot demand as it falls off quickly. There will be no AWB this presidential term at least and I think people are going to realize this pretty soon no matter what Holder has to say. This is only my personal theory and of course others are convinced of an upcoming ban and dealers and sellers will gladly stoke that fire.

True words never spoken. Everyone should take a look at what happened to the housing market when the number of homes bought skyrocketed for a few years. I saw this coming last summer and was called foolish for my thoughts. I think there will come a point when AR's aren't the hot item, people need money because of poor economy, and the prices drop because there will no longer be a lack of supply. You won't find many things that sustain their value after a HUGE spike in sales like AR's took.

Clint C
March 7, 2009, 07:35 PM
Well first off, anyone that has $10,000 laying around to spend on AR-15's knows that is not a good investment. They didn't get rich by buying Rifles for $1000.00 and selling them for a $500.00 profit a year down the road. Its not worth the time and effort. Yeah you could make some money, but after shipping and handling there goes a big part of profit. All of shipping and handling includes gas, paying FFL fees, shipping fees, advertising, time lost driving to Post Office or UPS then waiting in line to ship it. Time is money people anyone that has tried to run a business knows this. Trying to make money at this is just a poor decision. Guys that have that kind of money typically don't know how to build an AR-15 out of random parts. If they do they are a gun dealer and can buy them cheap enough that their time is not worth building one for sale.

People who think zombies and the apocalypse are real, take off your foil hat already.

For those who are trying to make out like no one is selling there " semi auto military rifles" ( is that better?) look at the rifles for sale section here at THR.

Bottom line (my theory) people are selling them because they have no use for them, they have already impressed their friends with it and now its not that cool, they found out how expensive ammo is, they realized there won't be an ASB for another five years and should sell them while they think they can make a profit.

I am sure some people have sold their personal rifle because they seen they could make some money, but they won't be buying another one, till they get cheap again. Also what drove them to sell it in the first place, that is if they can't get another one at a cheap price.

What gun monkey has the money to buy two $1000.00 rifles and sit on it for a year for a $500.00 dollar profit? I can think of alot better things to invest that money in.:)

lipadj46
March 7, 2009, 07:54 PM
Dream on, I know I will.

Some people never would have dreamed that their new home would depreciate so fast that within months of buying they had negative home equity. Like I said it is my personal theory but it is grounded in reality I think more so than thinking these prices can be sustained in the worst economy since the Great Depression.

arjppj
March 7, 2009, 07:59 PM
I had a Cetme that i sold wayyyyyyyyy too soon. Everybody is so damn Obama paranoid that they are paying whatever their wife will let them get away with to procure a semi.

Pizzagunner
March 7, 2009, 08:22 PM
I had a Cetme that i sold wayyyyyyyyy too soon. Everybody is so damn Obama paranoid that they are paying whatever their wife will let them get away with to procure a semi.

What is funny is none of them have seemingly read ferFAL's blog on the Argentinean economic collapse at the turn of the new century.

A run on higher capacity semiauto handguns I can understand since they can provide 24/7/365 personal protection everywhere one goes.

In a few years' time if you're running and gunning in the streets with a semiauto AR-15 while on a milkrun with a wheelbarrow full of worthless fiat currency, you have acute life expectancy problems.

If there is any semblance of law and order, the rifle has to stay home or in the trunk.

Boba Fett
March 7, 2009, 08:31 PM
Those who refuse to believe in the coming Zombie Apocalypse are living in a fool's paradise.

And, remember, head shots people, head shots.

Awwww now come on...don't you know that the cricket stick is the best zombie defense?? :scrutiny: :neener:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfDUv3ZjH2k

As for the selling my AR, I'm not. I love shooting my RRA AR-15. And were the ammo not prohibitively expensive, I'd get a 458 upper for it too.

I agree that at some point, the market will become saturated and the price will come back down to normal levels. Barring some sort of weapons ban of course.


And as far as the ammo costs go, start reloading.

Coronach
March 7, 2009, 08:35 PM
I'm not sure where the OP is, or people who are seeing tables full of "assault" rifles, but it sure ain't Ohio.

I fully expect the market to return to some form of "normal" once supply catches up, the economy bites harder, and the .gov continues to do nothing to restrict sales (<--This is an optimistic assumption, I'm certainly not gambling on it being right). We may never see $325 SARs and WASRs again, but we should see people with stuff in stock, so there's no longer a choice between "reasonably priced on backorder for a year" and "are you kidding me?" for what's in the rack. For the moment, though, that's what we have.

Mike

krs
March 7, 2009, 08:39 PM
There were all manner of AR's for sale at the Vancouver, WA gunshow today. Most often seen price was at or around $900.

I'm not sure why people seem to assume that a return to AWB would have all the same characteristics as the past ban had. Suppose they tighten it up, and what would prevent a complete ban without the grandfathering of the previous one?

Maybe the folks who are selling now will be the only people who will not have their weapons confiscated.:eek:

dscottw88
March 7, 2009, 08:44 PM
Some people never would have dreamed that their new home would depreciate so fast that within months of buying they had negative home equity. Thats a good point, I'd love to see everything gun-related drop in price as much as anyone else.

Horsemany
March 7, 2009, 08:50 PM
Thats a good point, I'd love to see everything gun-related drop in price as much as anyone else.

Certain types are coming down in value around here. The old sporting collector guns are not bringing what they were a few years ago. I have a theory it's because they are slightly less effective than AR's against zombies.

Mike U.
March 7, 2009, 08:52 PM
EBR prices will start falling if and when both houses roll over to the Republicans in 2010. Once a Republican majority is established in both houses, the threat of another AWB will diminish drastically. Then prices will likely start falling. Especially if the economy is still in a downward trend.
If Obama gets neutered in 2010, everyone will begin to relax again. People will begin second guessing their EBR purchases as the need for mortgage money goes up. Look for a price decrease then. Hopefully, we will be able to stop the demoncrats from halting ammo imports. This is where they'll hit us big when the time comes.

benzy2
March 7, 2009, 08:54 PM
I sold mine because I could sell it used for more than I spent on it new. The local store had a few come in new that week for the same price I bought my first one at. In my case I took an $850 rifle, put another $200 into, shot the piss out of it, and then sold it for $1600, to buy another one for $850 and know what extra $200 worth of junk I didn't want to buy. So it wasn't that I was out to turn a profit but that the chance came up and I jumped on it and replaced what I had with a new one. I wouldn't start buying them to sell them but if the local guy is selling at the same prices as 12 months ago and I can sell at today's prices I might as well get paid to shoot.

Horsemany
March 7, 2009, 08:55 PM
Unfortunately I think the pinch on American shooters wallets is going to become evident in the next few months. I expect to see EBR's more commonly available for the rest of the year.

TexasRifleman
March 7, 2009, 08:55 PM
People sell guns?

You mean you can sell them too? How odd :)

outdoorman63
March 7, 2009, 09:06 PM
you have a lot of people who have to decide whether to sell a rifle or 2 or feed their family..i have bought more lately from friends on hard times than i have from dealers

TexasRifleman
March 7, 2009, 09:08 PM
you have a lot of people who have to decide whether to sell a rifle or 2 or feed their family..i have bought more lately from friends on hard times than i have from dealers

These days you are probably right. That's a depressing thought. Never really occurred to me. Yuk.

Boba Fett
March 7, 2009, 09:40 PM
Maybe the folks who are selling now will be the only people who will not have their weapons confiscated.

Yeah...somehow I think that wouldn't go over well and you'd get people who follow the "...from my cold dead hands" method rising up against such action.

JWarren
March 7, 2009, 11:51 PM
bannockburn wrote:

Zombie Apocalypse; I think you should apply for copywright protection before some software/video game company beats you to it.


I see that you obviously don't travel much in Zombie preparation circles. That term has been used to the point of "common usage." ;)

Same with PAW, ZPAW, and Zeds.


As for the selling, some of us aren't. ;)

I sold an HK-91 at the beginning of the first ban and spent YEARS regretting that sell. I was young, stupid, and had dollars in my eyes.

I am not setting myself up for regret if one does come around again.



-- John

rbernie
March 7, 2009, 11:53 PM
I don't see a sellin' trend much, other than from folks who have multiples and are looking to spread 'em around and make a few schekels.

Ignition Override
March 8, 2009, 12:11 AM
By this summer, won't those who assumed that ARs/AKs would by then become extinct, finally realize that their jobs are even more at risk, and will sell their surplus rifles in order to raise cash for high electric bills and, for so many, higher medical deductibles? Older cars need repairs in the heat and are not recession-proof. Neither are high repair bills.
It will be too hot to shoot comfortably in July-August in so much of the country, except very early or late.

I hope for the best for GM, Chrysler and Ford workers/mgmt, but the numbers are not good. Those working at US Nissan (Canton, MS), Toyota plants etc might have unneeded rifles very soon. And this is just one industry.

This panic has happened because of past actions, words and present sheep herd mentality. People keep saying "wolf", but no wolves are seen (after many weeks, no passed legislation/orders).
When will this sink in, only after two more years or so if things remain the same?
Both Dems and GOP types always want to get re-elected, and are familiar with the fact that some were not in the 90's due to ludicrous talk or votes.

model of 1905
March 8, 2009, 12:32 AM
Yeah...somehow I think that wouldn't go over well and you'd get people who follow the "...from my cold dead hands" method rising up against such action.

You, Sir, just said a mouthful. If they start trying to confiscate guns its on like donkey kong.

yongxingfreesty
March 8, 2009, 12:47 AM
ill buy them at a good price lol.

Lone_Gunman
March 8, 2009, 01:16 AM
What gun monkey has the money to buy two $1000.00 rifles and sit on it for a year for a $500.00 dollar profit? I can think of alot better things to invest that money in.

Like what?

gga357
March 8, 2009, 01:36 AM
In the current economy I think guns and gold are probably your best buys. I don't advocate spending money you don't have. There was a time when all I had was a .22 marlin, a .357 blackhawk and an SKS. But I can afford more now. If I choose to invest in mags, guns, and ammo then that is based on wanting/needing for use or to sell later. Or give to my children, who knows.

MD_Willington
March 8, 2009, 01:43 AM
People probably maxed out their CC to get a pile of rifles.

A nasty new trick, the CC companies will lower your CC limit on whim.

So people with 10 AR 15's and a pile of CC debt realize their new limit puts them over the CC limit.

No they owe a boatload on the CC...

So they have to sell to get out of the hole ASAP...



What gun monkey has the money to buy two $1000.00 rifles and sit on it for a year for a $500.00 dollar profit? I can think of alot better things to invest that money in.


Oh really!

If I had bank rolled my ESOP/401K into AK parts kits last summer I could have tripled my money... nothing else in the current market can match that

Lets see something on the dow match that...

gga357
March 8, 2009, 01:57 AM
Plus every dollar spent trickles through the gun shop, manufacturers, faw material suppliers shipping. Where the current politicians have managed to scare the **** out of everyone so that 92%-95% of house holds that have not been effected by unemployment or foreclosure aren't spending. So maybe we will at least keep the firearm industry alive where the automobile industry is suffering.

Kymasabe
March 8, 2009, 03:03 AM
I'm not selling mine anytime soon. Maybe Jan. 2013, but not before.
I've got a U.S. gov't mid 2010 prediction and mayan calender 12/21/12 prediction to live thru first, then mayne I'll want to unload my guns and some of my ammo.

Ignition Override
March 8, 2009, 04:36 AM
Maybe this is academic like many of my comments, but on the ABCNEWS website, type in the blank "Eric Holder assault weapons". A paragraph describes his concern over the Mexican drug gangs' receiving AKs from the US.

Later it turned out that the Obama admin. had not approved his comments on any type of ban. There are indications elsewhere that Dems in general do not want to pursue this, because a political price will be paid sometime down the road.

MD_Willington
March 8, 2009, 01:20 PM
It would = a mini 1994... plenty of the Blue dogs would not touch an AWB with a crooked pole

Art Eatman
March 8, 2009, 01:29 PM
Okay, enuf. We're getting into politics and all that. :) Let's play wait and see, and start this over in the summer...

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