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thetoad45
March 8, 2009, 12:54 AM
When I was growing up on the farm we always had a single shot shotgun over the door and a 30-30 in the corner. For rifle ammo we always bought the old Remington Core Lokt or Winchester Silvertips from the local hardware store. By crackie they really worked well. When my dad and brothers started to reload for their 30-06 rifles it was the old Hornady interlock bullets they turned to. These were considered by us hicks to be the top of the line back then and what do ya know, they worked great also.. One of the biggest bucks I ever shot was with Remington 6.5x55mm 140 gr Core lokt ammo. One shot DRT... I quit hunting for awhile and just recently started getting back into it. I bought a couple of .270 Winchester rifles and got online to shop for bullets to reload some shells for my new rifles. What a shock I got! Seems the deer have grown armor since I last shot one. If everything I read in the forums are true I shouldn't be able to hunt anything without a premium bullet for fear of bullet failures or something along that line. Never had one fail before. I hunt deer sized game only. I doubt I ever will get the chance to hunt elk again so I have settled on bullets in the 130 gr range. After reading the reviews and suffering the sticker shock from reading how much these bad boys cost I again settled on the old Remington .130 gr Core Lokt thats sold in bulk. $167.00 a thousand. I can live with that. Hope the deer don't mind...:uhoh: I'm behind the times I guess.

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coloradokevin
March 8, 2009, 01:13 AM
Heck, I'm not even an "old-timer" or "middle aged" yet, and even I can see how this stuff has changed!

I grew up going deer hunting with whatever 12 gauge slugs were on sale at the time, and my friends/family took quite a few deer over the years. Pheasants, rabbits, and other small woodland creatures all fell just fine to the cheap Walmart shotshells, and I never had the idea of a "premium bullet" in mind for anything short of dangerous African game.

Now, honestly, I'll admit that technology (and pocketbook room) has intrigued me. I actually haven't hunted in over 15 years, but have been planning to get back into it. I recently picked up a couple of boxes of Barnes bullets, which I hope to load for an elk season I wish to take part in next fall. But, I'm sure that there are still plenty of old-timers out there who have hunted far more often, and far more successfully than I have, all while using "basic" ammo!

crazy-mp
March 8, 2009, 01:17 AM
:what:WHAT, YOUR NOT USING A .577 Tyrannosaur FOR DEER???? :what:Someone needs to call the game warden in your area and report you. The .270 should only be used for squirrel and rabbit within 20 feet, not yards FEET!


I know people that use .22 Hornet to kill deer and others that have use the .270 to hunt Elk. Its what your comfortable with and what you can put on target.

Good Luck!

larry_minn
March 8, 2009, 01:17 AM
If the hunter does their part the odds are the animal will still be DRT. :)


A careful hunter who takes a good shot with a .223 fmj will kill a deer quicker then the idiot who wings the deer with a 300 mag bonded/boat tail/kill them quick bullet.

coloradokevin
March 8, 2009, 01:21 AM
As an afterthought, perhaps a lot of this 'need' for premium bullets stems from the fact that every other hunter these days is carrying a Super-duper-Ultra-steroid-powered magnum rifle? I suppose that the much higher velocity of these newer cartridges may necessitate a more sturdy bullet, but that is merely a hunch on my part.

I haven't hunted elk yet myself, but I know of a lot of guys who have used .270's, .308's, and 30-06's to take elk over the years. But, now I see/hear of a lot of folks who are carrying various ultra-mag calibers, along with cartridges that have historically been used in places where the game fights back (.375 H&H Mag, etc). I'm not saying that these cartridges don't work, but I can't imagine that they are entirely necessary to enjoying a successful elk hunt!

crazy-mp
March 8, 2009, 01:41 AM
Takes the fun out of it when your shoulder is dislocated and you have to yell HUH??? for the next week too.

Speedo66
March 8, 2009, 10:45 AM
Yes, technology (read advertising) has made great advances.

No longer will deer fall prey to simple cartridges with no aditional names tacked onto their backs.

Why pull a bolt back three inches, when you can just buy a new rifle, cartridge, and dies, and shave an inch off that bolt pull with the latest and greatest ultra short magnum.

Come on, come into the new, modern, super tech world, and throw all those antique rifles made before 2000 away. You'll feel much better about yourself after you do, and don't forget, they're guaranteed to give you another inch where you need it most. :rolleyes:

Mr_Rogers
March 8, 2009, 12:23 PM
The good old Hornady soft points. All you will ever really need.

thetoad45
March 8, 2009, 12:40 PM
Funny thing was I thought I was going high tech by buying the .270 win. The only rifle I have owned in some time has been a .357 magnum lever action. A friend of mine succesfully hunted his whole life with a 25-35 and at age 70 his children bought him neat little .243 and after killing a nember of deer with plain jane Remington 80 gr bullets he announced that it is the best deer killer of all time. He went hunting a few years ago with his sons and as he couldn't walk too well he sent them off to hunt as he sat on the tail gate of the truck they had parked on an old landing. Few minutes later he looks up and at the top of the hill stands a monster mule deer buck. He takes aim and the buck rolls down the hill and lands right at the back of the truck. He puts the rifle away and was calmly sitting on the tail gate a few minutes later as his boys come running back to the truck. He sadly told them he was getting old. In his younger days, he explained, the deer would have landed IN the truck.... I miss that old coot....:) I remember another old gentleman when I was young dropped a nice spike elk in the timber with his 30-30. I thought at the time "what a cannon!" They made me pack out a whole front quarter on my back. For years I figured that that was the only reason people had children. -To pack out the old folks game. :-) Good times and pleasant memories....

AirForceShooter
March 8, 2009, 12:57 PM
I'm an old guy.
All I ever needed in the United States was a 30-06.

Never needed a magnum anything.

AFS

jnyork
March 8, 2009, 01:22 PM
I'm an old guy too, and agree with AirForceShooter. A couple of us were discussing this very subject the other day, talking about all the really great cartridges that have been around for 75-100 years or more and wondering why anyone would need anything else. .30-06, .257 Roberts, 22-250, .270 Winchester, 7 x 57, .30-30, .32 Special, the list is plenty long. We all like the old guns too, with real walnut wood and real blue steel. Old is good!1;)

Birddog1911
March 8, 2009, 01:50 PM
I'm not yet an old guy, but I guess I'm getting there...Never thought anyone in the US needed anything larger than a 30-06. Of course, I have always been of the opinion that shooting at running game is only slightly more ethical than poaching. One well placed shot, only. Now I like the idea that technology is making bullets for me to make the fastest possible kill for my one, well placed shot.

Used to work at a gun shop here in Colorado, and never liked seeing the customers come in and want a damned .300 WM or such for deer or elk. Just wait for the right shot, and save your shoulder. Shooting in the ass isn't a good shot.

akodo
March 8, 2009, 02:50 PM
you could load your grandmother's hearing aid in a 270 winchester and take down a deer.

Now, if you are talking elk at 200+ yards with a 270 winchester, or moose, then yes, a premium bullet is a wise decision.

of course, if you are only shooting whitetails, I'd have said 'get a 243!'

Sharps-shooter
March 8, 2009, 03:01 PM
As a child, I was taught how to snare a deer and how to dig a deadfall.

These are not hunting techniques I plan to ever use. If the ammo ever runs out though, I will be glad I know them.

I used to hunt deers with a 45-70. Now I use an ar-15.
With the .223, I need to have just the right bullet. With the 45-70, not so much.

For the most part, I think people make to big a deal of having all the right thises and thats for hunting (scent, scopes, heated deer stand, the latest style in blaze orange clothing and accessories, etc). To me, hunting is not all about modern conveniences. It's pretty simple, and the venison doesn't need to end up costing $50 a pound.

MachIVshooter
March 8, 2009, 03:07 PM
While all these super bullets are on the market, I'm not sure how many people really use them for hunting. I run moly coated V-max's in my .220 Swift, but for mediaum and large game, I stick to the tried and true Sierra Gameking BTSP. It has never failed me, from the 117 grainers in my .25-06 to the 300 grain sledgehammers in my .375 Ultra. My little sister took her first elk with a single 150 gr. Gameking fired from a .280.

Bill2e
March 8, 2009, 03:11 PM
After reading the reviews and suffering the sticker shock from reading how much these bad boys cost I again settled on the old Remington .130 gr Core Lokt thats sold in bulk. $167.00 a thousand


Where did you find these for 167/ 1000???? I want some.

I'm just punching paper, I don't think it will mind.

***EDIT***

Never mind, you are talking bullets, not loaded ammuniton.

Texas Moon
March 8, 2009, 03:51 PM
I use a .250 Savage.

Others can keep the fancy expensive bullets.

Thingster
March 9, 2009, 06:43 PM
Hell, I'm in the "black rifle ultra mag premium bullet" generation and still believe that a .30-06 is all anyone really needs in North America. It irks me that you have to buy a premium rifle anymore just to get a decent walnut stock and blued steel- it just isn't fair :( .

Otherwise, this about sums it up:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/825_magnum.htm

kirkcdl
March 10, 2009, 11:32 AM
"By Crackie"??

thetoad45
March 10, 2009, 12:11 PM
"By Crackie"??

Long line of plumbers.....:D

earlthegoat2
March 10, 2009, 12:56 PM
Makes you think they were doing things wrong back then.

No just marketing.

Sheldon J
March 10, 2009, 06:01 PM
I remember I had a single shot .22 bolt action, my Uncle had taken me back to the gravel pit, and taught me to shoot with it, and you learned real quick to make your 1 shot count!! Damn I miss him and that 80 acre farm....

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