Shooting double pistols - who teaches?


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Lucky
March 8, 2009, 03:39 AM
Watch the video: http://www.livevideo.com/video/9C676B620B3E4C2988EFE1FE5D49BA04/shooting-with-two-pistols-bot.aspx

Don't care about naysayers, that's ****ing cool. But the company that teaches it is some Spanish place. http://www.tirotactico.itgo.com/ :(

They seem to focus on hip shooting. Ergo any schools in NA specialize in hip-shooting?

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Trebor
March 8, 2009, 06:46 AM
I doubt you will find any serious instructor in the US or Canada that teaches "dual pistols" or even hip shooting.

There's a reason it's not a good idea.

bdickens
March 8, 2009, 08:46 AM
Yeah, Hollywood teaches that crap.

Bubba613
March 8, 2009, 10:12 AM
I think Jackie Chan or Chuck Norris offer instruction in this life saving art.....

armoredman
March 8, 2009, 12:07 PM
I see he uses the holsterless self-castration method of carry.

larry_minn
March 8, 2009, 12:24 PM
Not bothering to watch vid (dialup) Few people can shoot ONE gun under pressure at variety of targets while moving WITHOUT a lot of practice. Learn to do that (with your OFF HAND).
If you want to play with it get a couple airsoft/paintaball type guns. Its just too dang easy to be unsafe with two guns fireing at same time.

FWIW I recall hearing that you do NOT want to fire them at same time. (unless just smoke and noise) but fire one/the other. Thing is with modern guns you can put a LOT of lead on target/reload/more rds on target using ONE gun.. How the heck do you reload when you have a gun in each hand? Either lay one down/holster/stick it under armpit????
I think most folks (if they are honest) have tried it at one time. (hopefully in safe area with .22lr)
Instead I would suggest you become one of the few who can actually shoot weak handed as well as strong side. At one time I was shooting over 70% (speed/accuracy) with my left hand as with my right. (I broke my right hand) so I did a lot of left hand shooting. Now I would "guess" 50% at best.

Roadwild17
March 8, 2009, 12:38 PM
Yeah, and I wish my wife looked like Laura Croft too. :rolleyes:

chuckusaret
March 8, 2009, 12:40 PM
I would rather be an expert in the use of one weapon from a holster that I can reload if need be. Is there anyone who CC two weapons IWB without holsters?

Claude Clay
March 8, 2009, 12:55 PM
practice till you are real good with both hands point shooting to 5 yards [8" paper plates]. than think hard if you trust yourself to control 2 guns at the same time. contemplate this starting from low ready--don't even try the draw even if you have the holsters.
the video dude is 'trick shooting' and who knows how many takes it took to get him both hits and if he can still contribute to the gene pool.
CASS/SASS has Dualist category and they alternate shoots.

ken grant
March 8, 2009, 01:18 PM
http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434

Birddog1911
March 8, 2009, 01:24 PM
"Beware the man who carries only one gun, because he probably knows how to use it"

That sums up my thoughts. I have enough trouble with one handgun.

Sam1911
March 8, 2009, 01:40 PM
Go Here

That's pretty interesting stuff! I wonder why it hasn't caught on yet with competition shooters and other types who will do ANYTHING for an advantage. Odd.

Late in the year of 1991, I was getting bored with shooting a handgun using Quick Kill. It had been 10 years since being taught to use my natural abilities. It did not require any effort to make hits, required little to no practice on a regular basis, and I needed something to stimulate my mind further where handguns was concerned.

Anyone who can honestly say THAT must be on another plane, indeed. It's a shame he didn't go for competition! With skills like that, requiring no practice on a regular basis, I'd be he could SMOKE guys like Robbie Laetham, Dave Sevigny, Todd Jarret, Jerry Miculek, Doug Koenig, and their breed. 'Bout time someone with real-world SKILLS put those "Grand-Master" types in their places!

I think I'd pay to see that!


:scrutiny:
-Sam

Gunnerpalace
March 8, 2009, 01:50 PM
Meh, it can be done,

Takes a lot of training and practice though,

Just sayin'

dave from mesa
March 8, 2009, 01:58 PM
I'd be he could SMOKE guys like Robbie Laetham, Dave Sevigny, Todd Jarret, Jerry Miculek, Doug Koenig, and their breed. 'Bout time someone with real-world SKILLS put those "Grand-Master" types in their places!
Sam1911
Check out Impossible Shots. Jerry Miculek did do just that and he also did it with targets to his left and right. Not sure but I'll bet he did it just as fast.
Still pretty impressive tho.

MachIVshooter
March 8, 2009, 02:04 PM
Have double-wielded with .22's, 9mm's, .357's, .45's and one time with two MkXIX .50's.

While fun, it is totally impractical. One of the biggest problems is our physiology that only allows our body to do so many things at once. Focusing on two targets and controlling both hands independent of each other is one of those things our brains just can't handle.

If you don't believe me that our nervous system is hardwired certain ways, try making clockwise circles with your right hand and counter-clockwise circles with your right foot.

akodo
March 8, 2009, 02:12 PM
no way your eyes can use two different sets of sights, so you are by definition down to point shooting.

Seems to me you need to seek out someone who can train you on point shooting. Learn to point-shoot extremely well with the right hand, then do the same with the left hand.

Of course as you are engaging a single target, I don't see how 2 guns each firing 1-2 shots on that target is better than one gun held in both hands delivering 3-4 shots...in the same amount of time...with equal or greater accuracy...

usmarine0352_2005
March 8, 2009, 02:39 PM
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Easy, John Woo.



He instructed greats like Jean-Claude Van Damme, Chow-Yun Fat and others.



:rolleyes:




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The Lone Haranguer
March 8, 2009, 04:03 PM
If you don't believe me that our nervous system is hardwired certain ways, try making clockwise circles with your right hand and counter-clockwise circles with your right foot.

That's even harder than walking and chewing gum. ;)

Gamera
March 8, 2009, 04:49 PM
If you don't believe me that our nervous system is hardwired certain ways, try making clockwise circles with your right hand and counter-clockwise circles with your right foot.

I can do it.

The Lone Haranguer
March 8, 2009, 07:26 PM
The best I can do with my foot while rotating my hand is sort of wag it back and forth. ;)

tkkr
March 8, 2009, 07:40 PM
What's a foot?

Strings
March 8, 2009, 07:47 PM
I tried the "dual .45s" once. And I'll admit, it WAS something of a rush.

I carry multiple weapons, but not so I can "two fist"...

Boba Fett
March 8, 2009, 07:49 PM
When you could be dual wielding M249 machine guns! :evil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCra4qOrjFw


Even though it is pretty much a Hollywood kind of thing, there are trick shooters and such that have managed to get their technique down very well.

I'd say that if you want to learn, go to an instructor who will teach you how to shoot well with your dominant hand first. After you get that down, tell them you'd like to learn to shoot with your other hand.

Once you are a good shot with each hand individually, then you can dabble at shooting with both.

That's what I would do if I wanted to learn to shoot double pistols.

makarovnik
March 8, 2009, 08:55 PM
From what I understand you have to be very gifted to shoot two pistols simultaneously with good effect. Wild Bill, Ed McGivern and some others could/can do it but most instructors teach to empty one pistol then pull the other one out and use it (one at a time please).

Hush
March 8, 2009, 09:05 PM
In extreme measures, this CAN be a practical skill. Don't let the "naysayers" and "safety nuts" dissuade you. There is one place Ive found that teaches this particular skill set:
http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm

W.E.G.
March 8, 2009, 09:20 PM
Somebody has been watching too many bad Antonio Banderas movies.

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Jim K
March 8, 2009, 09:36 PM
Banderas didn't have to actually hit anything - the script writer was on his side.

Seriously, like a lot of other things, I have tried it. I could do quite well point shooting with two guns, but not firing at the same time. Two problems. First, it is easy to fire two guns at the same time, but very hard to train to fire rapidly alternating shots. And it is even more difficult to alternate rapid shots and keep concentration on both guns. Worse than watching a very fast tennis match; it takes too long to shift attention and aim from one gun to the other.

If it is just a matter of "laying smoke", then firing, say, two DA revolvers at the same time is pretty easy. But while the two hands can easily mirror each other, alternating is hard.

FWIW, I was playing games in a safe area. I never even thought of carrying two guns (and in fact, never even carried a backup gun).

Jim

ken grant
March 8, 2009, 10:02 PM
Sam 1911, spend some time on the site. You will find a lot of interesting stuff there.

http://www.threatfocused.com/forums

chuwee81
March 9, 2009, 12:34 AM
i just saw some youtube clips of cowboy action shooting where the shooter shot SA with their colt SAAs ( or replica's) with one in each hand alternating but still focusing on 1 target.

grumpycoconut
March 9, 2009, 01:09 AM
I teach 2 gun mojo all the time. I start with airsoft and a cat of 9 tails. Its almost a religeous experience.
For only $75/hr plus travel and all expenses I can make you a 2 gun mojo god.
For safety I only use DRT ammo and can help you custom design your own tactical wheel barrow.

Lucky
March 9, 2009, 01:27 AM
Come on guys, stop taking yourselves so seriously. I'm severely embarrassed to have asked such a rookie question on a forum filled with hardened gunfighters.

Thanks out to the (few) people with useful contributions, most of all for comprehending the title of the thread and responding accordingly. If I may bounce a possible training scenario off you; one could practice retention shooting, then practice retention shooting with peripheral vision to discern targets, then bring both hands simultaneously into play?

(I'm still working on those quick-kill and threat forum reading)


And MachIV that hand foot thing is neat, I'll definitely get people with that later.

hso
March 9, 2009, 01:34 AM
Seen it with my own eyes.

It is a close technique that Brownie has taught in a very few of his advance ITFS classes.

owlhoot
March 9, 2009, 01:35 AM
I'm an active cowboy action shooter and we have a couple of categories devoted to shooters who compete with a gun in each hand, "gunfighter" and "double duelist". A stage will very rarely call for dumping shots on a single target. Normally each shot is on a different target.

I have a friend who can at a signal draw a single action revolver with each hand and put ten shots on a torso size target from 30 feet in 1.8 seconds including reaction and draw time. And he doesn't use trick fast draw holsters. So, yes, there are plenty of people around who can do very good work with a gun in each hand. I doubt there are many semi auto shooters who can draw and put ten rounds on target in under 2 seconds using one or two guns.

But, hey, we're talking about a game here. Granted such shooting has little real world applicability. But it is fun and it is safe with people who know what they are doing.

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