Please vote for Tom McClintock!


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gunsmith
October 6, 2003, 07:38 AM
hollywood elite are against YOU owning guns.
Arnie is against you having a .50 Barret.
He is entitled to his opinion,not my vote!

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TarpleyG
October 6, 2003, 07:44 AM
Believe me, if I were there, I'd vote for McClintock. Good luck but I don't think he has a chance. At least Ahnold is better than that other fella (Gray Dufus, I think) you got now.

GT

rick_reno
October 6, 2003, 09:34 AM
Sure, vote for McClintock and elect Crud Boozamonte. You might as well punch out the hole for Crud.

Remember what Perot did to get Clinton into office - McClintock is doing the same thing in Calif.

If you think that McClintock is going to magically do something to restore your 2nd Amendment Rights in that state - you're spending too much time in the sun.

OF
October 6, 2003, 09:36 AM
I've got news for you - Ahnold isn't going to do anything nice to California either. Vote McClintock. It's not like it can get any worse.

If everyone who wanted to vote for McClintock did, he'd win. And he deserves your support. CA is a lost cause. If there was ever a time to vote your conscience, this is it.

- Gabe

Mark Tyson
October 6, 2003, 10:14 AM
What happens to McClintlock after the election, assuming he doesn't win? He seems like a decent guy.

Skunkabilly
October 6, 2003, 11:20 AM
Remember what Perot did to get Clinton into office - McClintock is doing the same thing in Calif.If you think that McClintock is going to magically do something to restore your 2nd Amendment Rights in that state - you're spending too much time in the sun.

McClintock is much less likely to sign any anti-gun bill that shows up on his desk. I'm too young to remember or to have voted for Perot, so I don't know if Perot was any more Conservative than GHW Bush. I do know that McClintock is a lot more solid ofa conservative than Schwarzenegger. And he doesn't say 'children' as much.

What happens to McClintlock after the election, assuming he doesn't win? He seems like a decent guy.

My dad thinks the Republican party will abandon him and will never support him again for sabotaging the election. But I still have to sleep at night so I know where my vote is going. Being 'Republican' is much more than being conservative these days.

Akurat
October 6, 2003, 11:32 AM
NO.

WHY!? McClintock has no chance of winning. Don't throw away your vote people. Having principles is one thing, ignoring the facts is another. Absolute stupidity. :banghead:

Arnold is not conservative or pro-gun enough, granted. BUT HE'S BETTER THAN THE ALTERNATIVE. A vote for McClintock = a vote for Bustamante.

Don't let your state be handed to Mexico.

Skunkabilly
October 6, 2003, 11:48 AM
Just we're outnumbered and do the right thing doesn't mean we're stupid.

OK we're stupid, but it still is the right thing.

ojibweindian
October 6, 2003, 12:05 PM
Relativism, what a wonderful thing.

50 Shooter
October 6, 2003, 12:17 PM
Sorry but I can't vote for the Gropenator, my vote is going for McClintock. I cannot vote for Arnie knowing full well that he is anti-gun and said that he supports all the bans blah blah blah.

If your a gun owner, VOTE like one! If Boostmywallet gets in then so be it, it will just be the same as it was and prove how F'd up the Dems are.

McClintock will be fine if he doesn't win and can look forward to running again, they're just using scare tactics to try to get the Gropenator in.

Repeat after me, VOTE LIKE A GUN OWNER!!! VOTE McClintock!!!

riverdog
October 6, 2003, 12:19 PM
If Arnold were to drop out of the race, Bustemonte would win. Why? Because Arnold is drawing votes from a much larger pool of voters than McClintock can reach. McC is too conservative for many CA, while Arnold is easily drawing votes from moderate Republicans and Democrats. McC is getting the Conservative Republican vote and Bustemonte is getting the liberals (less thos going Green et al) and those in the middle that won't vote for Arnold. Arnold is getting a few votes from McClintock, but he's taking a lot of votes from Bustemonte.

My goal in this election is to get rid of Davis and keep Bustemonte out of the Governor's office. Arnold is the only one who can do that. Would I prefer McClintock? Yes, but he can't win with just the Conservative Republican vote. There just aren't enough votes there and McC can't draw from the middle.

Skunkabilly
October 6, 2003, 12:42 PM
Ever wonder WHY Scharzenegger is drawing votes from both sides?

His liberalism on social issues is precisely the reason I'm NOT voting for him.

Topgun
October 6, 2003, 12:48 PM
My FIRST inclination was to NOT vote at all. McClintock, as all worthy candidates, probably has no chance in this rotten system.

But.......I will vote for the man who closest matches my desires.

Even if it's wasted.

..........................................................................................................

"I ditt nott GROPE no babes! Vhy shutt I? I haff der voll-upp-shuss Maria Shrifer to grope at home."

........Ah-nolt

.........................................................................................

A voice of inexperience for big contributors.

But wot da heck? Busted Monty will probly "discover" that the original Spanish land grant for Calif. was improperly signed and we will all be on the Peso by Wednesday.

:(

EWTHeckman
October 6, 2003, 01:01 PM
A vote for Arnold is the worst possible option. Why? He's too liberal to fight against the liberal/socialist programs that are draining California's budget dry. If he wins, California will still go down the drain. But because he wears the "Republican" label, the Demonrats will be able to shift the blame for their failed policies.

Bustamente = California goes down the drain, Democrats take the blame

Arnold = California goes down the drain, Republicans take the blame

McClintock = California has a chance to recover

It's that simple.

Remember, this is an ELECTION not a popularity contest. When you vote against your own best interests, you can never win.

Guy B. Meredith
October 6, 2003, 01:45 PM
If the polls are correct, then Arnold has it and McClintock is not a spoiler so might as well register a vote for a real conservative just to let everyone know that we exist.

I would vote for McClintock in any event--he is one of two who seem honest and the other is too much of a blissninny to make honesty of value.

Look at it this way. If Bustamante wins it will be with less than half the vote and he is on notice that he is there on sufferance with some hard core conservatives that refuse to accept anything less. If Arnold wins, Mr. Flash needs to realize that his version of Republican is not everyone's.

If a Republican wins then he is stuck with dealing with a heavily Democratic legislature and all the best intents in the world can be thwarted. He may even end up taking blame as Dufus--in all honesty--is. Not something I would wish on anyone. Maybe we really want the Democrats to eat the full slice.

In any event I see no downside to voting McClintock and do see an upside of getting some notice for conservatives.

Guy B. Meredith

2dogs
October 6, 2003, 03:03 PM
Having principles is one thing, ignoring the facts is another

No offense but I wonder just how low someone will sink to be practical.

I mean, say, if Hitler were the "practical" choice, would that be the lowest threshhold? Just curious.:confused:

Skunkabilly
October 6, 2003, 03:17 PM
2dogs, but between Hitler and Stalin, Hitler is the less of two evils!

Topgun
October 6, 2003, 03:26 PM
Satan for Guvnah!

In your heart, you know where HE stands.

longeyes
October 6, 2003, 03:26 PM
Yes, it CAN get much worse. I live in California and I don't want it to. It doesn't matter whether McClintock is "better" or not, what matters is that certain policies are completely unacceptable. If Bustamante wins this Election it will be a tragedy not only for California but for the rest of America. A lot of people outside CA still don't get that. Arnold's not perfect but neither is Bush, yet he was preferable to Gore, was he not?

If you want to play in the political realm you need to think like a courtier, not like a philosopher-king. Incremental progress. Too many gun owners think like mountain men. That's fine but while you're up on the mountain the politicians are finding ways to raid your traps. The days of being "free" outside the system are over.

TekChef
October 6, 2003, 03:29 PM
If everyone started voting on who they really want and ignored party lines, "reality", etc, WE might get the leaders we need!

I am voing for McClintock-and I lean to liberterian/independant.

If BustaMECHA gets elected, that's fine-he can sink this state and the whole US can see that the liberal entitlement society is a kiss of death for a economy.

It starts getting bad, all of us who love our freedom will leave and let this cesspool drown in it's own waste.

2dogs
October 6, 2003, 03:35 PM
the less of two evils!

Skunkabilly

Someone much more clever than I said it best: the lesser of two evils is- evil.:scrutiny:

Say, are you running?;) :D

Skunkabilly
October 6, 2003, 03:37 PM
No, I'm trying to get OUT of California, remember? :)

Silver Bullet
October 6, 2003, 03:39 PM
Even if it's wasted.
It's not wasted. You made a statement, you stood up to be counted.

IMHO, the only wasted vote is to not vote.

RKCheung
October 6, 2003, 03:49 PM
If Arnold were to drop out of the race, Bustemonte would win.

Actually the latest Gallup poll shows that if Arnold dropped out, McClintock would win by a commanding margin.

riverdog
October 6, 2003, 04:34 PM
Actually the latest Gallup poll shows that if Arnold dropped out, McClintock would win by a commanding margin. True Gallop Poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr030930.asp)

DigitalWarrior
October 6, 2003, 05:03 PM
Seriously, I am contemplating voting for Bustyourmoney. I think maybe it will hasten the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings. Might make businesses goto NH.:evil:

OF
October 6, 2003, 05:08 PM
You know what that poll means? It means that there are a whole lot of people in CA that would vote McClintock if they weren't afraid that it would give the Gub to Bustamexican.

Instead of the truth of that, we get all this 'don't throw your vote away' crapola and as a result of all that fear-mongering you people are going to end up with Conan the Republican. A RINO. A gun-grabber. A power-hungry hollywood elitist Kennedy-marrying newbie.

Have fun.

- Gabe :banghead:

hansolo
October 6, 2003, 05:10 PM
I voted by mail for McClintock; I don't feel that I "threw my vote away" and that, in the privacy of the polling booth, a lot of gun enthusiasts and Conservatives will vote for the only truly qualified candidate -- McClintock.

(Remember "Dewey vs. Truman"?).....PLEASE, if you are a California resident, ignore the BS surrounding the polls and get off your aXX and
vote for the only one who cares about US!

riverdog
October 6, 2003, 05:15 PM
All that poll means is that either of the two Republican candidates would beat Bustamonte if they were running alone. Unfortunately, with both of them running and the vote split, the poll is irrelavent. Gotta go with the guy in front.

EWTHeckman
October 6, 2003, 05:26 PM
Gotta go with the guy in front.
http://www.heckman.us/smilies/shakehead.gif

OF
October 6, 2003, 05:37 PM
Why do I have this sick feeling that the guy in front often gets to be the guy in front because everybody just 'has to go with the guy in front'...

- Gabe

Silver Bullet
October 6, 2003, 06:49 PM
If you have to go with the guy in front, at least go with the guy you really want right up to the last minute: answer polls, talk to acquaintances, write letters, as if you are going with the guy you want. That way you can be a positive force to influence the public until the situation is hopeless, if you insist on backing the lesser of two evils.

Topgun
October 6, 2003, 07:01 PM
Ah-nulled.........like war criminal BUSH......IS ...... sadly a better choice than Basta Monty.

All a result of puppet government perfected by the top puppet of all, Roony Raygun.

This is what we have descended to by pandering to corporate America.

Jobs overseas and massive debt to be paid by us TO the likes of Bechtel and Halliburton.

And Kaleevonia vill be no diffrunt.

And why my gold pile grows with every dip in price.

The USA told me to GTH long ago. Well they can follow the trail I blazed.

(but I got off)

Do not trust ANYTHING an American poll-a-tician ever says. He will feather his nest and bury you deeper than Kruschev EVER promised.

McClintock is a better man.

But they don't always win.

:barf:


Article in yesterday's paper. Median household retirement acct: $24,000
Median household debt: $39,000

..................... g o n e...............flip dat switch an go home.

GW
October 6, 2003, 07:40 PM
Voting for McClintock is anything BUT throwing your vote away.
When you vote for someone who doesn't represent what you believe in, THENthat is throwing your vote away. lLook at the statements the people against McClintock are making.
All I see here is Arnold can win. What I can't seem to find are statements like Arnold is the best man for the job.
It's really simple. Why vote for someone who doesn't represent your beliefs and values? Especially when there is someone who does--McClintock!
McClintock CAN WIN! He needs every one of you out there who agrees he is the best man to be true to what you believe in and vote for the best man. Not the guy who you think can win. Vote for the candidate you want.

Aren't you tired yet of voting for the lesser of 2 evils?
Oh well...
Vote for what you believe in. If you believe in expedience and compromise then vote that way.
I'm done with it.
I say McClintock is the best man for the job and he gets my vote.

YES ON RECALL
VOTE FOR McCLINTOCK

GW
October 6, 2003, 07:46 PM
One more thing...
This entire recall discussion has been highly enjoyable.
I would like to thank all who have participated because whether or not we agree, the arguments have been thought-provoking and passionate.
The best thing I can say about the recall is twofold
1. It has gotten people involved again in the political process.
2. It is a wakeup call to every politician in America--People are starting to care again

Thanks for the lively debate,
George


Now--back to the arguments

Sergeant Bob
October 6, 2003, 07:59 PM
Why do I have this sick feeling that the guy in front often gets to be the guy in front because everybody just 'has to go with the guy in front'...
Human's are not the only species to exhibit this ba-a-a-a-havior.

If you have to go with the guy in front, at least go with the guy you really want right up to the last minute:
It IS the last minute.

Silver Bullet
October 6, 2003, 08:09 PM
It IS the last minute.
Yes, I realize that; I was thinking in more general terms of strategies for the future. :)

Dan from MI
October 6, 2003, 08:16 PM
I hate polls.

John Engler back in 1990 could not win here. WEll, he won despite being down 20% during the election if you believe the polls.

The only one getting my vote here would be TOM McClintock. Gun grabbing is unacceptable. PERIOD.

teppo-shu
October 6, 2003, 08:25 PM
Face it folks: Ahnold is nothing more than Klinton wearing an elephant on his lapel instead of a donkey!

He will do NADA to deliver ********** to the GOP next year, or in five years when Hitlery runs, and in the meantime, he'll do nothing to resolve the state's fiscal problems, either, cause he won't know how to work with the legislature.

A Republican divorced from conservatism on all social issues is just a greedy liberal who'll line his own pockets while he's busy handing out money to gays, illegal immigrants, gun-grabbers and baby-killers.

Read this article (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34940) , THEN VOTE MCCLINTOCK TOMORROW!

Grey54956
October 6, 2003, 08:48 PM
Don't throw your vote away.

Vote for McClintock. It's pretty easy to figure out why. I have come up with these potential scenarios to show the possible outcomes:

1.) People vote against their conscience for Arnold. He wins by a landslide. Bustamonkey looses, but it doesn't matter. Arnold signs whatever anti-gun bill comes across his desk because he is a know-nothing RINO Kennedy. Gun rights take just as big a punch-to-the-nutz as they would if Bustyamoney had his way. McClintock, a man of principle, loses badly and his political career is over. (Bad Ending)

2.) People vote for McClintock, but Arnold wins anyway because he is a RINO, and thus is keen with all the know-nothings that would be entertained to have the Terminator in office and theose who are worried about throwing their vote away. The Republican leadership gets the message that McClintock is fairly popular in California and continue to sponsor him after Arnold gets recalled. He eventualy gets into office as governor, or a Senator, or some such office. (Happy Ending)

3.) People vote for McClintock and Arnold loses to the Cruzinator; California shudders in agony, things get just as bad as if Arnold had won. Arnold is disappointed in the lost race (and the co$t of his campaign) and gives up on politics, concentrating instead on his collection of Hummers, cigars, and ugly women. When King Cruz ends his term, McClintock is endorsed by the Republicrats and wins the next election. Someday, McClintock serves two terms as President, one as the Republican candidate, the next as a Libertarian. (Happy Ending)

4.) People vote for McClintock. He wins, and everyone is happy. The Peoples Republic of ********** eventually becomes a bastion of freedom and liberty, but eventually breaks off and falls into the sea. (Happy Ending)

So, the choice is easy, really. Vote for the future. Remember "no future but the one we make." - Sarrah Connor

Damnathius
October 6, 2003, 09:08 PM
Imagine being held at gunpoint while your wife is raped. You are told not to struggle or you will both die. What are ya going to do, sit back and watch? Personally, I will fight. (Yes, my wife and I have discussed such a scenario) Sure, my wife and I might both die, but guess what, I will have done the right thing. A vote for Arnold is just a vote to watch your wife being raped. No thanks, I'll fight and vote for McClintock because my morals DEMAND such a vote.

I look at it like "a vote for Arnie the communist" is NOT a vote for pro-gun, pro-life, pro-freedom, pro-constitution Tom McClintock.

yy
October 6, 2003, 09:10 PM
what is a RINO?

When did McClintock state he will veto all gun-control bills? (desirable)

And more important: when did he state he will layoff half of all state bureaucrats by governor edict? (mucho desirable)

I must've missed all this while cable news stations ignored him...

GW
October 6, 2003, 09:11 PM
He said it when he said he supports the Second Amendment
His record tells me he'll veto

gunsmith
October 6, 2003, 09:15 PM
arnold is from the bill clinton school of politics.
have a cigar,guns for me not thee.
arnie is the one "splitting" the vote
Senator McClintock has the experience,strength & faith
to lead CA and the USA.
God Bless Him!
He is getting my vote!

teppo-shu
October 6, 2003, 09:22 PM
R.I.N.O = Republican In Name Only

ambidextrous1
October 6, 2003, 09:24 PM
I voted Saturday, via absentee ballot - for McClintock. I didn't waste my vote; I expressed my preference.

These people who "always vote for the winner" are the ones who got us to this point.

"It's a lot better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it!"

OF
October 6, 2003, 10:22 PM
arnie is the one "splitting" the voteAin't that the truth. Talk about a 'spoiler'. You have on the ticket in CA the one man who just might have the balls to keep that state from crashing and he's the one spoiling the election? I don't think so.

- Gabe

El Rojo
October 7, 2003, 04:53 AM
You know if THR was a good representation of the PRK, we would all win and McClintock would be governor. However, THR is not a good representation of California. How do we know? Look at the political environment in our politically pathetic state. All of you have deluded yourselves into thinking that there are no more liberals in this state. You have convinced yourselves that for some unthinkable reason, all the moderates in this state are suddenly behind McClintock. Better yet, you haven't even considered that, you just think that there are enough conservatives in this state to not only split the Republican vote, but to also surpass the liberal vote for Bustamante. Wake up and smell the coffee conservative brothers and sisters. WE LOST THE LAST ELECTION!!! Why has everyone forgot that. We had a conservative candidate that supported everything that McClintock does now. It was between the worst of both sides. Who won? The liberal. Why? WE LIVE IN A LIBERAL STATE!!! Why have you all forgot that?

If we couldn't get enough votes to win one on one, what makes you think that with a strong moderate candidate, that all of these liberals are going to convert straight over to McClintock? They won't. Elections are won in the middle. McClintock cannot get the middle votes in California. Wish and dream away, but it is not going to happen. Yeah, McClintock gets the THR vote, but this is not a state of THR members as is obvious by the current gun regulations and everything else that is messed up in this state.

I can't say it enough times, this state is liberal. It is full of liberals. There are a large number of conservatives, but by no means a majority. When you split the party into two, who do you think is going to get the crucial moderate voters? A moderate or a strong conservative? Wait, actually, it doesn't matter what you think, it matters what moderates think. Why can't anyone see that we are playing right into the Davis plan again! We voted our conscience and got Bill Simon. We put up a strong conservative. He lost. Who wanted to face Bill Simon over the by far more liberal than Schwarzenegger Riordan? GREY DAVIS! Who wants to get as many votes for McClintock as possible other than McClintock? GREY DAVIS and CRUZ BUSTAMANTE!!! Why? The split republican vote will insure a democrat victory.

Sorry, but Grey is done as of today. He will not survive the recall. Who do you want in? Bustamante who is running on the platform of raising taxes and who has a known record against everything we stand for? Or a guy who says he wants less government and wants to lower our taxes when he can? Come on people. It isn't hard. McClintock is too conservative for this state. Don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

Vote Schwarzenegger. Not because he is the best candidate, but because he is the best option we have. Don't convince yourselves that there are suddenly more conservatives in this state than there are. There are more moderates this time around and if they are going to vote for anyone, it will be Schwarzenegger. DO NOT ELECT CRUZ BUSTAMANTE WITH A VOTE FOR McCLINTOCK.

twoblink
October 7, 2003, 04:58 AM
Oh great, what we need, a Bin Laden vs Saddam debate.. :D

Vote for the libertarian candidate if you don't give a rat's behind about who has a chance and who doesn't and you are voting strictly on who will do the most to protect the 2nd Amendment.

That said, I'd give McClintock the vote for the simple fact that I can spell his last name!!

If you think the Terminator is bad at acting, wait until he tries his hand at governing!:what:

Moparmike
October 7, 2003, 05:02 AM
[CR Sam]

Doing the right thing isnt always the easiest thing to do. But it is always the right thing to do.

[/CR Sam]

Vote McClintock. Do it for the children.:p

Tank
October 7, 2003, 05:21 AM
"It's a lot better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it!"I am going to plagiarize that one incessantly.

Men who vote for evil deserve what they get.

This whole scene will play out again in the '04 presidential elections. The self-proclaimed "pragmatists" among us will bleat that we should vote for Bush, even after he signs the renewal of the Clinton/Feinstein gun ban.

Such people will appear then as Arnhole worshippers appear now: like silly putty wrapped around a heart made of spoiled cheese.

Sleeping Dog
October 7, 2003, 08:29 AM
McClintock is the right choice, but he hasn't got a prayer.

So, vote for Davis, for no recall.

Let him finish his term, then bring McClintock in. Arnold will have lost interest by then.

(my 2 cents)

Topgun
October 7, 2003, 01:56 PM
NOW, I wanna vote for Sleeping Dog.

Very intelligent reasoning.

10-Ring
October 7, 2003, 02:19 PM
McClintock lost a good deal of his momentum when the Republican party put its support behind Arnold last week. The bigger issue was removing Davis & having a Republican in office.

Silver Bullet
October 7, 2003, 03:15 PM
What have you got to lose by voting McClintock ? There's not enough difference between Arnie and the Democrats.

Brian Maffei
October 7, 2003, 03:17 PM
Yes on Recall, McClintock. No on 53, yes on 54.

jsalcedo
October 7, 2003, 03:38 PM
As long as I don't have to see Gray Davis's ugly azz on the news anymore.

I want to puke everytime I see that smarmy, elitist smirk on his face.

Arnold will be status quo for California

Bustamonte will swing the state into full fledged socialism,rape
the coffers and send the state into bankruptcy.

If Davis stays it will justify in his own his terrible leadership and engender more of the same.

MClintock would be a lame duck but would do his best to keep California
from sliding further into the s***hole.

labrat
October 7, 2003, 04:28 PM
Yes on Recall!
Go Tom McClintock!

I already voted. Madkiwi would too if he could, but he didn't get his citizenship :mad:

Sven--- are you looking? It's another post, hehe. :neener:

shooterx10
October 7, 2003, 04:29 PM
If Grey Joe Doofus, Taxmyfatassmonte, or Schwarzennazi get into office, you might as well give up your guns and give up your hard earned money. They'll find some way to take them away from you, one way or another. :fire:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/45733/P9100034.JPG

50 Shooter
October 7, 2003, 08:43 PM
Just cast my vote, YES on the recall and McClintock for Gov.:cool:

May Arnie and Busty go down in flames.:fire:

Dan from MI
October 7, 2003, 08:54 PM
GO TOM GO!!!!!!

Destructo6
October 7, 2003, 09:00 PM
Although I agree with 99% of McClintock's ideas, I believe he's too rigid to govern effectively. If he could get it all his way, yes, we'd be in great shape. The reality is that we are stuck with a majority liberal dem legislature who would/will put the kabosh on all of his ideas.

If Arnold can get the 300% car tax rescinded and will exercise the veto like he has his biceps, CA will be light years ahead of where Joe Davis, et al would have us.

GW
October 7, 2003, 09:32 PM
And if Arnold starts laying golden eggs the budget deficit will be gone in a week.

I've heard so many comments that If Arnold does this or that
but when I ask What makes you think Arnold will do that? Most people kind of stumble to a stop. I think too many people have confused his movie roles with reality.
I voted McClintock because he has said what he will do and more importantly-How he'll do it.

labrat
October 7, 2003, 09:37 PM
OMG! the quotes from the ABC news report (see this thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43636))

I hope this is just the media bias.

GO TOM!

Sven
October 7, 2003, 10:02 PM
Just voted for McClintock.

RKCheung
October 7, 2003, 10:55 PM
Just voted for McClintock.

Ditto. Crossing my fingers...

WilderBill
October 7, 2003, 11:18 PM
Well, I won't be voting in this one.
I suppose I could've driven out there and said "sure I'm a resident, been her over five minutes!", but if I didn't say it in Spanish they still wouldn't let me vote in the PRK.

However, if I had the option I'd vote for McClintock.

My guess is that Ahnuld will win. Being wildly famous can do that for you, espiecally in a place where that's about as deep as most voters are going to think.

If McClintock can come in second or even close to it, he has MUCH more name recogition in the next election.

I'm wondering if the state Republican party would back him if he were to run for Senator next year. :scrutiny: I think he could do more good there anyway.

Damnathius
October 7, 2003, 11:31 PM
I suppose those that were convinced that a vote for McClintock is a vote for Cruz can now eat their crow. Yummy.

I voted for McClintock, and Arnold looks like the winner. Indeed, my vote of principal was not wasted.

Bill Hook
October 7, 2003, 11:42 PM
I just saw on MSNBC that McClintock has a 53% favorable rating among those polled (I don't know if this is registered voters, or just a random sampling).

I'm doubting he's going to win from what the talking heads are saying, but he can use this to his advantage in another election.

Combat-wombat
October 8, 2003, 12:25 AM
-Sigh-
Too Late. Ahhnold the anti-gun idiot has won.

GW
October 8, 2003, 02:42 AM
Well, lets wait and see what he does.
I wonder how long it will take him to repeal the car tax or renege on his promise.
Well, God bless Arnold and all the rest of us. We all will need it



Here's hoping Tom McClintock runs for Senate

GW
October 8, 2003, 02:47 AM
Whoops
Arnold's campaign manager said the first thing Arnold will do is TRY to repeal the car tax hike...

El Rojo
October 8, 2003, 03:11 AM
I suppose those that were convinced that a vote for McClintock is a vote for Cruz can now eat their crow. Yummy. I voted for McClintock, and Arnold looks like the winner. Indeed, my vote of principal was not wasted.Not necessarily true. Had more people voted for McClintock instead of Arnold, we wouldn't have the apparant landslide we have now. Then every vote would have counted. I am thankful tonight that it was not closer and that McClintock was not the spoiler, but the potential was there. One could argue that your vote really doesn't mean much as how much pull does a guy who gets approximately 13% (I expect it to rise with the absentee ballots) really have. Yeah he got 13% of the vote. Who does that scare? Simon got 40%+ of the vote in the last election, look at all of the liberal legislation that just went through in the last two months. Obviously that didn't send a message to the democrats. What sends a message to politicians is getting kicked out of office. The people eating crow tonight are not Arnold or McClintock supporters. The people eating crow tonight are Gray Davis, his supporters, the democrat party leaders in Sacremento like Art Torres and Bob Mulholland, and the rest of the bunch who thought the recall was a mere "power grab". No it was not a power grab, it was a mandate by the people. They are tired of the status quo and they want change. Some of you might not believe there will be change. That is fine. I believe things will change and I look forward to it.

Now if your vote on principle matters to you, then there is nothing I can say about that. You can be proud for voting your principle and doing what you thought was right. I respect that.

yy
October 8, 2003, 03:17 AM
The people eating crow tonight are Gray Davis, his supporters, the democrat party leaders in Sacremento

WELL SAID.

NOW LETS RECALL FEINSTEIN

GW
October 8, 2003, 03:18 AM
Gray Davis is gone
That, at least was one political goal we could all agree on.

gunsmith
October 8, 2003, 04:17 AM
fine with me!

NIGHTWATCH
October 8, 2003, 06:37 AM
I just heard on the radio that McClintock could have won if conservatives and moderates voted for him, instead of thinking he had no chance and voting for Ahhnold!!! :banghead:

Again, the lack of faith and principle slips us further into the grey hole. :(

Thumper
October 8, 2003, 06:42 AM
I just heard on the radio that McClintock could have won if conservatives and moderates voted for him, instead of thinking he had no chance and voting for Ahhnold!!!

That's a little hard to swallow, considering the makeup of the California electorate...what was the source?

The highest figure I saw, pre-election, was that McClintock might, in a best case scenario, get 20% of the vote. Turns out he got, what, thirteen percent?

I would have loved to see McClintock win, but reality has to be addressed.

Sergeant Bob
October 8, 2003, 06:53 AM
Now we'll see how well Arnie's Star Power plays with the legislature. It was good enough to get him elected (well, the only reason he was) but, will it be good enough to win over that den of thieves?

OF
October 8, 2003, 10:08 AM
I am thankful tonight that it was not closer and that McClintock was not the spoiler, but the potential was there.Arnold is the spoiler in that election. His self-serving power-grab has spoiled your chance of electing the man you needed to save that state. Fear-mongering kept him out and put Arnold in.

Good luck.

- Gabe

El Rojo
October 8, 2003, 10:54 AM
Fear-mongering kept him out and put Arnold in.Care to back that up with more evidence other than your own opinion? I don't see how getting 50% of the vote is fear mongering. People still don't get it. It wasn't the hard core conservatives like myself that elected Arnold. It was the moderates in the middle. Why don't people understand that? McClintock is not electable in this liberal state. He is too far right. Sure we can make statements like, "I just heard on the radio that McClintock could have won if conservatives and moderates voted for him." Yeah if conservatives and moderates would have voted for Bustamante he could have won too! I mean come on.

It is so simple yet so hard to comprehend. This state is liberal. In order for any type of "Republican" to win, they have to come to the middle. Being pro-gun, pro-life, and a fiscal conservative that "helps the rich and taxes the poor" is repulsive to the main stream California voter. Everyone needs to understand that. I live here, I work with some of these people, what is common sense to us as far as what works is a completely foreign idea to these people.

Lets be happy we got Schwarzenegger in office. He is the best electable chance we had and this is a victory for the people of California. He isn't Tom McClintock true, but he sure as hell isn't Gray or Cruz and that I am thankful for.

EWTHeckman
October 8, 2003, 12:05 PM
This state is liberal. In order for any type of "Republican" to win, they have to come to the middle. Being pro-gun, pro-life, and a fiscal conservative that "helps the rich and taxes the poor" is repulsive to the main stream California voter.
Ronald Reagan was the most conservative president we've had in decades. If California is so socialist, how did that happen?

My theory is that the majority of voters don't even think about the issues when they go to vote. They either vote the way they (and their family) have always voted, or they vote for the best looking, most popular one.

I wonder what would happen if we changed the election process to require witness protection type campaigning. No candidate can appear on television as they are. They must be in shadow, blurred or a mask, and their voice must be altered. When out meeting the public, they must put a bag over their head like the Unknown Comic, or some other type of generic mask. Maybe even no names, just positions and voting records. Get rid of distractions and focus on what really matters in an election: politics and policies.

Would Abraham Lincoln have been elected today? Not a chance!

Destructo6
October 8, 2003, 02:34 PM
Ronald Reagan was the most conservative president we've had in decades. If California is so socialist, how did that happen?
That was also 30+ years ago. Things have changed.
The left dismissed Reagan as a Hollywood actor with a good voice and an empty head. Reagan was more than that, Cannon argues. He was an autodidact and gifted storyteller. As an actor, Reagan was competent, but as a politician he stood out so remarkably that he "seemed a president-in-waiting almost as soon as he began campaigning."

Reagan was a politician of ideas. His lodestone was the fundamentally anti-government idea that people ought to be lightly taxed and regulated, and mainly left alone. Cannon is not much interested in that idea but enormously interested in the man who held it.

"Governor Reagan: His Rise to Power"

Reagan was untrained to be governor and began not knowing what he was doing. He was a loner and never did learn how to hobnob with legislators. But he was a quick study. He read several newspapers a day but demanded that bureaucratic reports be boiled down to mini-memos. He made decisions without agonizing over them and did not look back.

by Lou Cannon
PublicAffairs, $30

EWTHeckman
October 8, 2003, 02:39 PM
California has been known as "the land of nuts and flakes" for a very, very long time. I sincerely doubt that it has made that much of a shift in only 30 years.

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