PTR 91 Decision Time


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Wesson Smith
March 8, 2009, 08:14 PM
My FFL just got 2 of these in stock. They're both just the basic PTR 91 F
model. I already have a DSA SA58, but I'm thinking that it wouldn't
be such a bad thing to have a second BR in .308 in the fold. If I go for it,
am I basically just doubling up on what I already have, or will this rifle
serve it's own purpose in terms of features, functionality and application?

Comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

WS

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W.E.G.
March 8, 2009, 08:19 PM
buy ammo

Gunther
March 8, 2009, 08:22 PM
As far as a second 308 MBR, as the saying goes "one is none and two is one". I want a PTR 91 long barrel but they are none existent right now!

Maverick223
March 8, 2009, 08:22 PM
I personally like the PTR-91 better than the FAL, although I own neither, I wouldn't mind having a PTR-91. Both are excellent weapons, but I wouldn't really want one of each because that would allow me to fund other unique firearms. I would trade the FAL for the PTR-91. The gun fills the same role and just fits me better.

Maverick223
March 8, 2009, 08:24 PM
I want a PTR 91 long barrel
+1, I would love to have one. :cool: Over at HK-forum there are some folks that just bought some custom match grade barrels for their PTRs, thought about getting one but the price is a bit steep.

MTMilitiaman
March 8, 2009, 08:33 PM
How much are they going for, if you don't mind me asking?

marktx
March 8, 2009, 09:12 PM
I'm in the opposite boat.... Have a PTR and looking at buying an SA58. The PTR is a great rifle and I like shooting it a lot. It's been extra fun since I bought a training bolt & ammo (http://www.dansammo.com/images/inv/as30816.jpg) to give it a little variety in feeding. Recoil is light and at $200/1k rounds its one of the cheapest shooters I have.

As far as it being a different purpose rifle I would say it depends a lot on how you have the FAL set up. Got my PTR set up with the Hensoldt scope w/ claw mount which would make it a good bit different if your FAL just has iron sights. The are technically surplus but most of the Hensoldts I have seen look pretty much new and can be had for under $400 from a few different places.

Personally I like to have variety in guns and the HKs delayed blowback roller action is about as different as it gets from the FALs mechanism.

Kentucky
March 8, 2009, 10:44 PM
The old saying is that "two is one and one is none." PTR's are so reliable that just one might last longer than any other single rifle though.

If I were in your shoes, I would buy one of the PTR's and trade the SA-58 for the other. That way you can use the same mags, spare parts, manual of arms, etc...Mags are very inexspensive.

Wesson Smith
March 8, 2009, 10:48 PM
Well, If I get the PTR 91, it will be at dealer cost from the wholesaler,
due to the fact that I do my FFL's network and website stuff. I'm not
yet sure what that price will be, but I'm guessing it will be under $1000.

As for my FAL, I have it set up with a Meopta Meostar for intermediate to long-range
shooting. I realize that if I'm going to pick up the PTR, I'm going to have to spring
for some type of mounting system for an optic. I have an Aimpoint on a rifle that
I'm considering selling, so that's probably what I'll go with.

As for ammo, I already have a ton of .308 milsurp. For whatever reason, I started
stocking up about 5 years ago, way before the panic started setting in. One of the
few wise decisions I've made in the past decade. :D

Thanks for the input, so far.

marktx
March 8, 2009, 11:03 PM
...I'm going to have to spring for some type of mounting system for an optic. I have an Aimpoint on a rifle that I'm considering selling, so that's probably what I'll go with....


It's not horribly expensive to get a mounting system. RobertRTG.com and a few others have a nifty low profile clamp on rail mount for ~$120 that you can use to mount an Aimpoint down low. If you don't want to use the original style Hensoldt scope you can get just the German claw mount and there is a rail adapter that will allow you to mount it up higher. The claw mounts can be found for ~$125 with the rail.

Good luck picking one up from the wholesalers, got mine from CDNN a little over a year ago when they were $900. The latest catalogs seem to be more like $1100 and they didn't have them in stock when I called a week back. RSR's prices are about the same but I haven't checked to see if they are in stock. I have seen a few at gun shops and shows but the prices are just silly at $2k+.

BusMaster007
March 8, 2009, 11:04 PM
I like the 'have two of the same' idea; and/or 'more ammo'...!
Good luck.
Nice that you have an 'in' with the FFL on this decision.

Wesson Smith
March 8, 2009, 11:19 PM
Marktx - My FFL already has the two PTRs in stock. Just got 'em on Friday. That's whay I gotta pull the trigger (pardon the pun) on this deal tomorrow if I'm gonna do it. I'm positive they'll be gone by the end of the day. I'll end up paying whatever he paid Amchar, or Sports South, or whoever it was he ordered them from. Like everyone else, I'm a lot more careful with my cash these days, but I'm thinking that maybe this is one that I just can't pass up.

marktx
March 8, 2009, 11:26 PM
Ooops... I even read that in the original post. Well I say buy the thing, worst case scenario is that you hate the thing and for now the semi market is strong so you shouldn't have any trouble selling it off.

The newer PTRs seem to be coming with the aluminum hand guard which is a nice step up over the nasty plastic slimline one they used to come with.

stubbicatt
March 9, 2009, 10:44 AM
Have you held one? Actually shouldered it etc.? Some don't like the ergonomics on them, and you might double check that for yourself.

Also be prepared to break out an additional $150 or so for the paddle magazine release install and a trigger job from Bill Springfield. Two of the most cost effective modifications you can do to your rifle to make it more handy.

My 2 cents anyways.

paratroop23
March 9, 2009, 12:17 PM
I love mine! I've got the 16 inch KPF model.

Wesson Smith
March 9, 2009, 01:12 PM
Stubbicat - Replied to your PM. Can you provide some more info on how to contact Bill Springfield for that trigger job? I think I'm headed over to the store now to purchase the rifle. I'm trying to financially justify this as an "investment". ;)

SlamFire1
March 9, 2009, 03:43 PM
Bill Springfield did a trigger job on my PTR91. The final release is crisp and clean, other match service rifle shooters have commented on how good it felt to them.

The price may have changed. But this is the contact information I had around Oct 07


> wspringfield@comcast.net wrote:
>
> I can set you up with a pull that has virtually no creep in the 4.75 area. I
> also remove all the take up slack. Price runs $54 and return postage is
> included. Only the trigger pack is needed, personal check is fine. My address
> is:
>
> Bill Springfield
> 4135 Cricket Ct.
> Colorado Springs, Co 80918


Assuming you pick up a PTR 91, I found that I did not like the 100 notch in the rear sight. If you find that you don't like it either, PTR had drums with an aperature at 100 yards.

PTR also had a bolt disassembly tool. If you can get that it will make putting the bolt head back on very easy.

Wesson Smith
March 9, 2009, 07:07 PM
Thanks very much for the info, Slam.

TexasRifleman
March 9, 2009, 08:18 PM
Another vote for the Bill Springfield trigger. My PTR shoots like an entirely different gun now.

Worth every penny and quick turnaround.

FFMedic
March 9, 2009, 09:41 PM
Where did you order the drum with a100 yard peep from?

FFMedic

Martyk
March 9, 2009, 10:56 PM
Sorry guys.. I gotta go with the Williams trigger. I almost went for the Bill Springfield but I was glad I found the Williams. I think they offer more options and they are excellent to deal with. www.williamstriggers.com

taprackbang
March 15, 2009, 12:24 AM
I want a PTR 91 long barrel but they are none existent right now!

Try an MSG 91, some are lurking around on Gunbroker.
Ya know, the HK 91 sniper variant.

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