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amwdc
March 8, 2009, 09:41 PM
im consider on buy either a 22 lr or 22 mag to small game hunt and shoot coyotes because 303 British is beginning to get to expensive to hunt coyotes with . I was looking at the Romanian m69 trainer but that would be a pain in the !@$ because my local gun shop down street (1mile )wont stock surplus stuff, so i would have to go 20 minutes away ,but any ways what do u guys/gals recommend im looking for something that is not horribly expensive under 300. all suggestions welcome



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onehitwonder
March 8, 2009, 09:44 PM
10/22 or marlin 22 or 22 mag

woof
March 8, 2009, 10:15 PM
If you want to hunt for meat you want the .22lr because the .22wmr will destroy too much unless you make all head shots. But the .22lr is not enough for coyotes in the opinion of most. The .22 mag is marginal. If I were you I'd start with a good .22lr and get good with it and postpone the coyotes. A CZ is at the top of your price and that's without a scope. I think the Savage Mark IIG is a great rifle for the price and leaves you $100+ for a very decent scope. That would be a sweet squirrel gun.

Javelin
March 8, 2009, 10:24 PM
But the .22lr is not enough for coyotes in the opinion of most.

I agree. The .22LR is inhumane for shooting coyotes as animals do not deserve to suffer.

If you want to shoot cheaper I suggest you get an SKS and some Brown Bear milsurp 7.62x39.

~$250 will get you the rifle and $50 will get you around 200 bullets.

:)

Big Bill
March 8, 2009, 10:28 PM
If you're going to hunt coyotes with an undersized caliber, better get a .17 HMR. I own a Marlin 917V. It's a tack driver and I have no doubt that it will kill a coyote if I do my part.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Images/photo_917V.jpg

xstuntman
March 8, 2009, 10:34 PM
The CCI Velocitor 22lr was designed specifically for taking coyotes. Mike

rmuzz
March 8, 2009, 10:42 PM
I've been shopping for a rimfire rifle myself... .22 mag would be sweet, but not suited for myself (limited to paper for the most part) due to ammo cost. .22mag is a jump up from bulk .22 prices, but you'd have to judge what is ethical for you to use. Looking at the CCI varmint products, they list their .22lr segmented hollow points as 1050 fps mv, and their .22 mags with the V-max tips available traveling at 2200 mv (the v-max is a little lighter projectile, but sounds like a good product) If I spent more time shooting at small fuzzy things I'd be looking at the .17 hmr, but the laser trajectory is at the expense of some stopping power... on paper.



The OGW figure estimates the optimum live weight of the animal for which the cartridge is best suited at any given range. Note that the OGW weight is not the biggest animal the cartridge will kill, merely the optimum size animal for that range. Also note that individual bullet performance is not a factor in calculating optimum game weight; it is assumed that the hunter will choose an appropriate bullet for the job at hand. And it is also assumed that the bullet will hit the heart/lung area of the animal; brain or spine shots would obviously result in much higher OGW numbers, but they are not considered. Here are our two best long range loads for OGW comparison:

* .17 HMR, 17 grain = 7 pounds at muzzle, 5 pounds at 50 yards, 3 pounds at 100 yards, 2 pounds at 150 yards, 1 pound at 200 yards.

* .22 WMR, 40 grain = 17 pounds at muzzle, 9 lbs. at 50 yards, 5 pounds at 100 yards, 3 pounds at 150 yards, 2 pounds at 200 yards.


I lifted that off of a Chuck Hawkes article I found useful... I don't hunt coyotes, so I wouldnt be able to tell you rimfire usefulness/economy compares to centerfire options which would obviously cost more, but maybe add a bit of confidence in the stopping capability. I know you didn't mention any centerfire options, but I was always taught if your going to take one of God's creatures you need to know that its going to be as quick as possible. I hope you find something that suits you well!

woodchuck315
March 8, 2009, 11:06 PM
The CCI Velocitor 22lr was designed specifically for taking coyotes. Mike

I dont think CCI would market ANY .22LR for coyotes. Ive used Velocitors, yes they have more oomph than standard .22lr, but proved NO MORE killing on woodchucks than round nose, but that was at 100 yards. Fun to shoot out of a 5.5" pistol though... .22mag is borderline, and thats if you keep your shots 50 yards or so. Get something bigger, .223, .204 ruger, .17rem (NOT rimfire)

trust me, Ive had good hits on a woodchuck at 100 yards with both .22lr and .17hmr still walk into their hole...coyotes are a bit larger and probably tougher. I would not go out and injure a coyote with rimfire ammo, I would invest in something centerfire. Not sure how hot the .22hornet can be pushed, but maybe even that would do better than .22 rimfire.

If you're going to hunt coyotes with an undersized caliber, better get a .17 HMR. I own a Marlin 917V. It's a tack driver and I have no doubt that it will kill a coyote if I do my part.

I had a .17hmr. Those bullets wont make it past a bone, a bit too explosive. However, under 50 yards you might be ok. Again, another caliber that was designed for small varmints, woodchucks, prairie dogs, squirrels, rabbits. Definitely not for bigger animals such as coyote.

If your going after close range (under 30-40 yards) shotgun with buckshot would even work...

How about reloading the .303 british for coyotes? and get a nice .22 for everything else? Savage and Marlin both make very excellent .22LR's for very nice prices. But .22lr is NOT reliable enough for coyotes. .22mag would be ok, 75 yards and under. beyond 75 yards, please use centerfire!

22-rimfire
March 9, 2009, 01:11 AM
If you are serious of coyote hunting, I would look at a centerfire rifle.

The 22WMR is borderline with coyotes, but it will take them if you make good hits. Keep your shots 100 yds or less. Just my 2-cents.

22 wmr is not the choice for small game hunting same as the 17 HMR is not the choice. A 22LR is much better for the purpose and folks have been using them for this since the 22 rimfire first came out in the 1800's.

Ignition Override
March 9, 2009, 02:09 AM
What does the (.22) wmr stand for?

Is their muzzle velocity from an bolt-action Savage etc much more than with basic, cheap Rem. LR?

jester_s1
March 9, 2009, 02:29 AM
WMR- Winchester Magnum Rimfire

Muzzle velocity is around 500 fps more with similar weight bullets.

As others have said though, either of the rimfires is too light for humane kills on Coyotes. A .223 is an outstanding choice though. Still about half the ammo cost of your .303 and really light recoil.

jim in Anchorage
March 9, 2009, 03:36 AM
My 1951 gun digest lists the Winchester M 70 220 swift at $109.50,in your price range:) Seriously,tho I would rather hawk eye the paper, gun shows,etc for a used 223 or even a 222,then a rimfire on coyotes.

Schleprok62
March 9, 2009, 03:51 AM
go to as many gun shops in your area, and fondle and hold, and do whatever it is you do and find one that fits you. There's really not a bad on among the major brands... I have several 22 rifles:

Remington 597
Remington Model Five
Browning T-Bolt Sporter
Glenfield model 25 (two of them)
And a Remington Model 504 on lay-a-way....

woof
March 9, 2009, 04:14 AM
The .22 mag uses a heavier bullet at higher velocity, but both are marginal. it doesn't really extend the capability of the .22lr into larger game, but it extends range and shoots flatter. Saying you want something to preserve meat on small game and for coyotes doesn't fit. You're talking two different rifles, ideally a .22lr and a .223. There are many .22s out there and the truth is they are all good. IMO the best dollar value is the Savage mark II.

CajunBass
March 9, 2009, 05:40 AM
I don't think there are any "bad" 22 rifles. Some toward the bottom end of the price scale are more "plinkers" than anything else, but even they seem to work pretty well.

$300.00 will get you a pretty decent rifle, which one is more dependant on what you like than anything else. The Ruger 10/22, Marlin 60, Remington 597, a bunch of Marlin and Savage bolt guns whos names and numbers I don't even know. Bump that up to $400.00 (NIB) and you greatly expand your horizons, but I'd just prowl the used racks until I found what I want. I've got 10 22 rifles now, and only bought three of them new.

I don't know much if anything about Coyote's. I've only seen one when I was hunting, and I knew right then, it was bigger than anything I wanted to shoot with a 22 LR (I was squirrel hunting at the time). If you want a 22 for small game get one, but I think you'd need something bigger to really hunt 'yotes.

d2wing
March 9, 2009, 03:54 PM
Around here some guys swear by the the .17 HMR for coyotes and great accuracy. .22 mags are hard to find. The Savage with accutrigger is popular.
The CZ 452 is a nicer rifle but, so far mine is not as accurate as I expected.
My Ruger outshoots it usually. I would look at the Savage in .17 HMR.
I think the 22lr is a better meat gun.

Beagle-zebub
March 9, 2009, 06:48 PM
trust me, Ive had good hits on a woodchuck at 100 yards with both .22lr and .17hmr still walk into their hole...coyotes are a bit larger and probably tougher.

Pound for pound, I wouldn't say coyotes are tougher--woodchucks can sometimes get back to their holes with their entrails trailing them. Coyotes are, however, a lot bigger. .22 Hornet, .222 Remington, or .223 Remington should do well, with the latter being the strongest and cheapest to feed with store-bought.

xstuntman
March 9, 2009, 10:39 PM
Try www.cci-ammunition.com for info on the Velocitor. And yes its specifically for coyotes. Mike

rangerruck
March 9, 2009, 10:45 PM
Not to be rhetorical, but any thing new or used for that price will be great, except Ruger, avoid ruger. Marlin is generally considered the cheapest and most accurate, out of the box, whether it is semi auto, or bolt. If you wanna lifetime, fine bolt action that has rediculous accuracy and a single set trigger, get a CZ.
anything savage, or remington or winchester will be fine as well. Again, new or used, you cannot go wrong with any of the listed above, or any other brand as well; I would not hesitate to pick up an old mossy or H%R either.
22 mag is out of the question, too expensive, with questionable accuracy mostly, unless you can find the mag in an old BRNO, mossberg chuckster, kodiak , or H%R, next would be an old marlin, 7 or 8 series, preferably a 7.
you call or wait on a coyote to come within 75 yds, and the 22 pill will have about 90 lbs of energy; if you hit it in the head, neck, or top chest, it will drop like a bad habit.
and yes a 17 hmr is even more flat, and has about 150 lbs of energy at 100 yds, and is going as fast at 100 yds, as a 22 mag is at the muzzle, but I hate the thought of 13 dollars plus tax, the cost of rimfire ammo.

beechnut
March 9, 2009, 11:00 PM
You need to get something bigger like a .223

Javelin
March 9, 2009, 11:06 PM
OP: Please do not shoot at coyotes with a .22 as it is not humane.

Please use something larger.

:)

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