"Best" .223 based on requirements.


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Rxxdoc
March 9, 2009, 10:33 AM
My friend is buying her husband a new .223 rifle (What an awesome wife!)

Anyway, here are requirements.

1. $$$$$ About $1500 to $1700 (Nice!)
2. Must have a short barrel for indoor use if necessary
3. Must be able to shoot dirty.
4. Reliable!
5. Must NOT be nicer than my Sig 556! (Just kidding) I do love my sig so trash it all you want. LOL)

Thank you.

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indoorsoccerfrea
March 9, 2009, 10:39 AM
saiga .223 w/ 16" barrel. based off of the AK design, so you know it is drop dead reliable and you could poor mud in it and it would still work. due to the obamanation, however, they'll run you around $600 or so.

taliv
March 9, 2009, 11:02 AM
http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=1283

still in stock. i think someone said last week they found them for $50 less somewhere, but i don't remember where.

svtruth
March 9, 2009, 11:15 AM
makes a pistol chambered in .223. It comes with a ten round mag but accepts 30 rounders.
Good luck.

bratch
March 9, 2009, 11:21 AM
http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=sho...roduct_id=1283

still in stock. i think someone said last week they found them for $50 less somewhere, but i don't remember where.

Aim Surplus had them for $1550 but I don't know if they are in stock.

jester_s1
March 9, 2009, 11:38 AM
With that budget and simple requirements, she can pick any manufacturer's M4 and be in good shape. A flattop upper will allow optics like a red dot, but they aren't necessary. Expect prices of $900-$1200.

taliv
March 9, 2009, 11:58 AM
yeah, that was the one i was thinking about, thanks bratch

rangerruck
March 9, 2009, 12:11 PM
cz 527 american carbine, bolt action. the shortest, lightest 223 made, also the most accurate.
Saiga, 16 inch bbl, not only also accurate, but allways works.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
March 9, 2009, 12:27 PM
The answer is XCR. Next question! :)

gvnwst
March 9, 2009, 12:37 PM
Well, if he is going to get a XCR, might as well look at the POF carbines first:neener::D Should run about $1500 for the 16" model, and very reliable.

Schleprok62
March 9, 2009, 12:48 PM
The OP never stated what type of action. Bolty, semi, or other... There are literally 100's of options with that budget... What kind of accuracy does this person want? What kind of shooting?? 100 yards?? further???

Too many unanswered questions to give an accurate answer...

Rxxdoc
March 9, 2009, 01:26 PM
Yes sir, I left it way too open. But those are the requirements given to me. I spoke with him about guns a bit and he wants something that will afford home protection and short perimeter (100 yard) protection.

Kind of like a SHTF situation where you need to protect the house from "zombies" for lack of a better term.

Quality, reliability, American made would be good. Lots of accessories would be good also because he likes toys. (who doesn't).

Something you would recommend to a friend who needs to protect the house and yard.

Sorry I can't give a better description, but that's all I have. I guess if there are things that are really important that I missed, you can add them.

He likes my Sig 556 a lot, but if there is a wiser choice, then list that too.

oldFred
March 9, 2009, 01:31 PM
Keltec SU-16B - gas operated semi-auto that shoots .223 weighs 4 lbs.

Seen one in local store for $509.00

Bill2e
March 9, 2009, 01:41 PM
Tell his wife to give him a card and say SURPRISE, the let HIM PICK OUT HIS GUN!!!!!!

He knows his needs & what he wants, we do not. We only know what WE want & need.

Wife do this all the time with Golf & Fishing too. 9 times out of 10 they buy the WRONG thing.

Agains Let HIM Decide!

Gary G23
March 9, 2009, 02:01 PM
I concur with the Daniel Defense M4 suggestion.

Girodin
March 9, 2009, 02:05 PM
The XCR meets those requirements rather well,except not being cooler than your sig.:neener:

There are other good choices of course but the XCR would be my pick.

benEzra
March 9, 2009, 02:09 PM
M4 style carbine of some flavor. I'd personally lean toward a 16" barrel, midlength gas system, flattop upper.

Justin
March 9, 2009, 02:16 PM
Taliv knows his AR's, so his recommendation is worth consideration.

Otherwise, look at some of the offerings from Sabre Defence (http://www.sabredefence.com/), or Rock River Arms (http://www.rockriverarms.com/).

Consider one of the models with the floating hand guards, as they will be more accurate than the others.

Given the stated price point, skip right past the .223 AK's, they're not nearly as modular as the AR-style rifles, generally not as accurate, and have goofy ergonomics.

Avoid the AR pistols. They have some utility as a close-up defense weapon, say for instance as a car gun, but other than that are generally just range toys.

Kind of Blued
March 9, 2009, 02:48 PM
A bunch of dudes on the internet, picking out a gun, for a guy, to tell a lady, to buy for another guy.

This is like "telephone". He's gonna end up with a wetsuit and a half-eaten cantaloupe. :)

I'd say any old M4 flat-top setup from a respectable company should do. DPMS, Rock River, Bushmaster, Stag, or a few of the higher-end manufacturers if you can find something. It sort of depends on if accessories are included in the $1500-1700 or not. At the minimum he'll need a rear sight if it isn't included, as well as a couple boxes of ammo (http://www.google.com/products?q=hornady+tap+75gr&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=B1i1SaTMO4KqsAP23M2SAQ&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title). Also, the less we/you/her/him spends on the rifle, the more we/you/her/him will be able to spend on MAGS, and mags are a good thing.

rugerman45
March 9, 2009, 07:52 PM
look at m&p ar i would go with the tactical version with flip up sights they usually run about $1400

Rxxdoc
March 11, 2009, 08:46 AM
I would like to thank all of you for your replies.


Especially....
"A bunch of dudes on the internet, picking out a gun, for a guy, to tell a lady, to buy for another guy.

This is like "telephone". He's gonna end up with a wetsuit and a half-eaten cantaloupe."


I have her and her husband joining THR because it it a great community.

Thanks Again.
Rxxdoc

Hostile Amish
March 11, 2009, 09:38 AM
Saiga .223 or a good DPMS

model of 1905
March 11, 2009, 10:35 AM
I concur with the Daniel Defense M4 suggestion.


Peach State Guns in Georgia. $1549. shipped. Mine arrives today.:cool:

Kind of Blued
March 11, 2009, 01:58 PM
I have her and her husband joining THR because it it a great community.

Good call. There's a lot to learn here. I was just making a joke by the way.

Let us know what he ends up with, or even better, have him post a range report!

Flash!
March 11, 2009, 09:58 PM
Colt 6721 can be had brand new in box for under $1600 still

Wesson Smith
March 11, 2009, 10:15 PM
Question: If you had $1500-$1700 to spend on an M4, why in the world would you get a Keltec? Just sayin'.

Click Click Boom
March 11, 2009, 10:18 PM
Rob Arms XCR!!!

Or a TPD AXR, you said short....

FMJMIKE
March 11, 2009, 10:50 PM
Ruger Mini-14 and lots of ammo !!!
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/mbmphoto/MiniSS1.jpg

RockyMtnTactical
March 12, 2009, 07:39 AM
AR15 Carbine

Rxxdoc
April 8, 2009, 11:54 AM
He got a Sig 556 SWAT model. How many wives would buy that for their husband.

Probably the second best gift she could give him. LOL.

Then again, if you've been married long enough it would be the best gift. :)

Runningman
April 8, 2009, 05:36 PM
Colt 6721 can be had brand new in box for under $1600 still
An excellent choice! Handy, accurate and reliable.

gga357
April 8, 2009, 06:16 PM
I have to brag my wife bought me a Sig 556 Swat. And has an order for a brand new Win M70 super grade 30-06 for their first release. :) She's the best.

Avenger29
April 8, 2009, 06:20 PM
Daniel Defense AR-15. Available and comes with a great set of rails.

The AR-15 is a heck of a lot more reliable than many give it credit for.

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