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Mr Bernoulli
March 10, 2009, 01:17 AM
Hey guys how do you like the XD pistols from springfield armory? Umm also what does XD stand for? Are these indestructable like a glock? How is accuracy etc. Give me all details you know. Thanks in advance.

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Mr Bernoulli
March 10, 2009, 01:31 AM
ok nevermind about the XD it stands for extreme duty but also saw somthing about them being made in croatia? Is this true thought they were american made...

Baba Louie
March 10, 2009, 01:33 AM
Start here
http://www.xd-hs2000.com/hsarms/news.html

Whats not to like? Croat polymers w/ safeties galore, rights bought by SA, prices raised accordingly (they were real inexpensive back in 2000 as Croats). Accurate? Yep.
Reliable? Yep.
Upgraded, new improved, lemon freshened... well, maybe not lemon freshened but pretty good handguns.
Find a range nearby that rents them, try one or three out, you might end up buying one.

Or not.

ComradeBurg
March 10, 2009, 01:45 AM
I carry one with me every day and love the gun.

Mine is the .45 compact which is the same as the service model but with a shorter handle. Anyways I'll shoot a bullet point of what I like about it.

- No manual safety to be flipped, so when I pull it out it's ready to go. It does have a back strap safety though which I like. It won't go off unless I'm holding it normally.

- It has a nice trigger. It's pretty crisp and very consistent.

- Has a double stack magazine so I can hold more rounds in it. The compact holds 10 + 1 rounds.

- I like the ergonomics. Everything is easily reachable without having to remove your hand from firing positions.

- Tearing it down and cleaning it is very easy.

- It's quite accurate for having a 4" barrel.

Norinco982lover
March 10, 2009, 11:59 AM
I own the XD9SC and my wife and I love it. For more info check out www.xdtalk.com/forums :)

earlthegoat2
March 10, 2009, 12:26 PM
If you dont like an XD because it is Croatian then you better not like Glock, HK, Sig, etc.

And yeah, yeah, yeah, I know some of these makes are even made in the US now but that just seems like too convenient of an excuse for people these days.

grimjaw
March 10, 2009, 01:05 PM
I prefer the XD .45 compact to the Glock .45s (any of them), but for anything else I'd choose Glock. Just my personal preference.

jm

Just One Shot
March 10, 2009, 03:58 PM
I have an XD .40 and it is SAWEEEET! ;) Shoots good and is very dependable.

P.S. I also have American made handguns in my safe.

Yosemite**Sam
March 10, 2009, 06:59 PM
I own a 9mm XD and it's the least accurate and my least favorite firearm. The accuracy of it is just plain horrible. I shoot thousands of rounds each year and I humbley admit that I can shoot. I would never buy another XD even if they were half price.

gglass
March 11, 2009, 12:21 AM
The XD may be eye candy to some, but it is still the same Croatian HS2000 that had a hard time selling when it was a $250 off-brand bargain pistol. It is amazing what Springfield's marketing department has been able to do with this firearm. They've done about as good a job of convincing people that the XD is their own, as they did convincing people that they are a 200 year old firearms manufacturer... In 1974, the Springfield Armory name was used by Robert Reese, who formed a new company to manufacture semi-automatic versions of the M14 rifle. This company, now owned and run by Reese's sons, manufactures firearms under the Springfield Armory name. However, this company is not located near the former armory site and has no connection with the original National Arsenal. It is now located in Geneseo, Illinois. Springfield Inc.'s motto "The Oldest Name In American Firearms" while technically true, is misleading since the company has no connection whatsoever with the original Springfield Armory in Springfield Massachusetts.

If you compare the XD to Smith & Wesson's M&P (Real American made) line over the last few years, you will see a much more telling story. Since, its introduction in 2006 the M&P has won more than 370 LE agency "issue weapon" contracts. (more new contracts than any other brand in that time period) During that same period of time the XD has only been allowed to be on "approved sidearm" lists by some LE departments, and it has been marketed by Springfield since 2002.

Hmmm... Why is it that LE agencies are not choosing the XD? It makes you wonder.

The Lone Haranguer
March 11, 2009, 12:28 AM
Hmmm... Why is it that LE agencies are not choosing the XD? It makes you wonder.


If their policy of not selling parts to consumers also extends to LE armorers, that is a possible explanation.

Reaper!
March 11, 2009, 04:22 AM
"Hmmm... Why is it that LE agencies are not choosing the XD? It makes you wonder."

Price maybe? Why do you think so many angencies chose Glock over the years?

TG13
March 11, 2009, 04:27 AM
Originally Posted by gglass
They've done about as good a job of convincing people that the XD is their own,

that's why it's stamped "Made In Croatia" on the frame, and is stamped on the slide "HS Produkt Karlovac" "Croatia" under the crossed cannons..

i have no problem with it being made in Croatia.. nor with the M&Ps being made here.. the M&P has a strange trigger, to me.. it's like what a Sigma trigger should be, albeit both are very gritty.. LE departments are getting them at a discount.. that's one of the major reasons why M&Ps are being issued..

(Springer is selling parts to the public.. check PistolGear.com for an example)

i love my XD45 Service.. ;)

Pilot
March 11, 2009, 04:32 AM
Nothing wrong with the Croation made HS2000/XD.

Taurus_9mm
March 11, 2009, 06:14 AM
I own a XD .45 ACP Tactical and haven't had any problems with it of which to speak. In the future I'm hoping to add the subcompact 9mm and either the 9mm Tactical or Service model to the stable.

ThrottleJockey
March 11, 2009, 06:24 AM
I have the xd.45 and LOVE it. Carry it every day. VERY accurate, surprisingly so. I'm knocking cans over with every shot at 75 feet and I'm not really that great of a shot. Glad I went this route instead of the M&P. As for the Croatia part, they just won a war with the guns they make, pretty good record if you ask me, whens the last time we won a war with the guns WE make, WWII ? You don't think your desert eagles are made here do you? Mine said Israel or something like that.

evan price
March 11, 2009, 06:55 AM
LE agencies get great deals from manufacturers, and Smith and Glock had heavy LE sales, and then those agencies naturally continue with those contracts especially when the manufacturer agrees to buy back all the old pistols, mags, duty gear, spare parts, etc. at darn near what they paid for them.

azmtnbikerxdm
March 11, 2009, 07:09 AM
I have an XDm 9mm and I love it. Over 2000 rounds through it with hardly any problems. Easy to field strip and I like the 19+1 capacity. It is my favorite gun to shoot.

Mr.510
March 11, 2009, 07:39 AM
The XDs are an excellent line of pistols. They are extremely reliable and incredibly durable. The ergonomics seem to be great for almost everyone. They are exceptionally accurate for a weapon with the XD's level of reliability. Accuracy and reliability are generally a balancing act: The tighter and more accurate it gets, the less reliable. The looser and less accurate the more reliable. (Think AR vs. AK.) An XD is a lot like an AK in it's reliability. You have to try very, very hard to make one not work. It will eat anything you feel like feeding it: From mud covered steel cased crap to milsurp junk with cosmoline and dents all over it, to bare cast lead made from old wheel weights. From very low powered practice ammo to +P+ and beyond they gobble it up in stride. And yet the accuracy of the XD is still excellent. My 45 Compact is certainly more accurate than I am. In my defense, I've only put about 50k rounds down range in my lifetime so I'm pretty much a total novice with handguns. :rolleyes:

I too believe the lack of law enforcement use of XDs in the USA is due to Springfield's refusal to sell parts. If it needs work, you gotta send it back to Springfield.... But their customer service department is one of the best. I've yet to hear of Springfield charging a customer to fix an XD, no matter how old it was, what broke, or how it got broken. XDs seem to have a more-or-less unlimited lifetime warranty. I've only got about 4,000 rounds through my XD45 Compact without so much as a hiccup. There are lots of guys with 15k rounds without a malfunction and a few that are past 25k without one. I know one guy that put 10k rounds through an XD45 Service model without even cleaning it! :what: If the XD isn't the most reliable handgun ever produced it's got to be "right there".

I think most of us already knew that it's not the original Springfield Armory and that this pistol is produced in Croatia. It even says, "Springfield Inc. Geneseo, IL. Made in Croatia" right on the side. My question is: Who cares? I don't care where it was made, who made it, or what name is on it. For me it's exactly the right tool for the job. :D

chupacabrah
March 11, 2009, 08:21 AM
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20090309020311823


I like my glock, but I like my wife's XD9sc also. They're both great guns. The XD has a little more metal and les plastic on it, though. also quite a bit heavier than glock.


a few other people mentioned the s&w m&p. I had one, and it was definitely a GREAT gun. very accurate, nice trigger. the grittiness went away after about 500-1000 rounds/dryfires. I would definitely buy one again. I actually intended to after I sold it, but the glock was just SO much cheaper, I had to do it. :-)

tangomike706
March 11, 2009, 08:48 AM
I have been carrying the XDm 40 as an off duty weapon for the last 8 months I love it, about 20,000 rounds through and not a single hicup

Plinkeriffic
March 12, 2009, 03:51 PM
Just got an XD45 5", wish I could afford to shoot it every day for fun.

It was accurate with my first clip from a .45 ever, holds 14 (more than my .22 w/aftermarket clip!), and am looking forward to it for a long time. I'm considering reloading equipment just to be able to afford shooting it as much as I want to!

On a side note, shot my buddy's XD9at the same time, not sure why anyone would bother. 45's equally controllable and far more pleasing to shoot.

Awesome stuff, $500 at Academy, bought some cheapo rounds and let 'em fly. Looked down and had shot almost 100 rnds just like that. FUN FUN FUN!

lukepriebe
March 12, 2009, 03:56 PM
shot my buddy's XD9at the same time, not sure why anyone would bother.

Probably because of

wish I could afford to shoot it every day for fun.

HippieMagic
March 12, 2009, 05:05 PM
I personally didn't care for the XD40... My friend and my family felt the same. I literally hated the way it felt. I know I am pretty alone in that view but it just isn't for everyone. I won't deny the gun is very reliable and seems to go bang when you want it to and not when you don't... my only complaint was the feel of the gun because it didn't fit me. I prefer the M&P personally.

JonB
March 12, 2009, 05:33 PM
My XD9 is a sweet shooting pistol. My overall favorite in terms of how it fits my hand and overall accuracy. Can't say anything bad about it.

Instantbacon
March 12, 2009, 06:22 PM
I'm getting alittle paranoid about my Recoil Spring Assembly. Is the end supposed to stick like 1-2 mm out of the receiver? I assumed it is supposed to stay flush with the frame but it's hard to tell in the pictures I googled and its difficult to get to a gun store to check because I get off at 6. thanks!

Canuc Shooter
March 12, 2009, 07:41 PM
Own both the XD9 & XD40 (both Tactical),their my second and third favs after the CZs. Both the XDs and the CZs rock...

WRGADog
March 12, 2009, 10:50 PM
I own an XD9sc, XD45c, and XDm 40. They are very reliable, accurate, and come with a lifetime warranty. Although Glock makes a good gun, I prefer the Springfield as it fits my hand better and I like grip safety in addition to the trigger safety.

ar10
March 12, 2009, 11:30 PM
I'm getting alittle paranoid about my Recoil Spring Assembly. Is the end supposed to stick like 1-2 mm out of the receiver?

Yes. it's supposed to do that.

I've collected seven of them since 2004. So what do you want to know about them. :D

If you want to know about xd's I'd check the XDtalk forum. I think they're still operating, its been a few yrs since I've been on their site.

9mmepiphany
March 13, 2009, 12:04 AM
Why is it that LE agencies are not choosing the XD? It makes you wonder.

Springfield has never "given away" their guns like Glock and S&W are doing. they're hardly making any money on the guns, but they do win contracts and that seems to convince folks that makes it a superior gun.

Springfield doesn't "make" , and have never made, any of their handguns...and few of their rifles....most guns they've sold in the past has been from Italy (P9) or Brazil (1911)

ar10
March 13, 2009, 01:44 AM
Springfield doesn't "make" , and have never made, any of their handguns...and few of their rifles....most guns they've sold in the past has been from Italy (P9) or Brazil (1911)

Where is Croatia in Brazil? I can't seem to find it.

9mmepiphany
March 13, 2009, 02:19 AM
mayhaps i wasn't clear, i was listing where their other pistols were manufactured. their 1911 clones and HK-91 clones come from Brazil

Ridgerunner665
March 13, 2009, 02:30 AM
LE agency's contract based on price...its that simple.

Clint Smith put down his 1911 in favor of the XD...I think that says something. Also...at Thunder Ranch the XD's have been nothing but accurate, reliable, user friendly, and well liked.

I bought my wife an XD 45 Compact...we shot it some that week. The next week I went back and bought me an XD 45 Compact Tactical.

Its hard to argue with 14 rounds of 45acp...especially out of an accurate reliable pistol. (15 yard target below...and yes, I stopped before I messed that fine group up, maybe only 3 rounds but it makes the point)
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc137/Ridgerunner665/XDTactical.jpg

hlq
March 13, 2009, 02:56 AM
I picked up a XD45 a while back and have nothing but good to say about it.

ar10
March 13, 2009, 09:47 AM
mayhaps i wasn't clear, i was listing where their other pistols were manufactured. their 1911 clones and HK-91 clones come from Brazil

I'm not criticizing and agree that some SA's are made in the countries you mentioned but I have yet to see any of the XD line manufactured in any place but Croatia.

I also believe the majority of all guns, handguns and rifles are either manufactured or parts made in countries outside of the US. I'm not condemning them because of origin, just making a statement.

tbtrout
March 13, 2009, 09:49 AM
My XD40 is a great gun. Even better after I upgraded the trigger.

Guns and more
March 13, 2009, 10:13 AM
I wanted to like the XD, but it felt wrong in my hand. I ended up with a S/A Micro Compact that fits like a glove. But try one out, you may love it.
I wouldn't buy any gun based on someone else's recommendation.

ar10
March 13, 2009, 10:30 AM
My XD40 is a great gun. Even better after I upgraded the trigger.

Early on, when I bought my first XD (.45GAP tactical), I decided I would concentrate on using the XD as the only gun I would use. I got tired of buying holsters, sights, and all the other stuff you can buy for a handgun. On the XD's regardless of caliber, the trigger pull is the same, the sights are the same, many of the parts are interchangeable, and I can use the same holster for all of them except the .45APC. I practiced using what came with the gun and don't do too bad with it. The downside is all the magazines, .45APC excluded, are also the same (in other words the .40 will slide into the 9 as well as the .45 GAP). It only took one mistake, and I painted the butt with different colors.

bedwards1
March 13, 2009, 10:51 AM
I personally have never owned a gun easier to make good groups right out of the box than the XDm.

be

FreuderLocks
March 13, 2009, 10:57 AM
My Roomie has an XD-M in 9mm, no the M is not a typo. Sweet gun, very incredibly accurate with good ergonomics. I shoot it more than he does (hes having back surgery), its a great pistol and probably my next purchase. Im on the fence about the lack of an external safety, but it functions flawlessly so I can't complain.
-Freuder

Dan Crocker
March 13, 2009, 11:08 AM
I prefer the XD .45 compact to the Glock .45s (any of them), but for anything else I'd choose Glock. Just my personal preference.


Same here. I've got a Glock 19 and an XD 45 compact. For .45's the XD feels much better, but for the 9mm, it's the Glock. Shouldn't make sense, but it does for me.

Plinkeriffic
March 13, 2009, 11:24 AM
Should've qualified my remarks better... Meant to say the reasons I have my 45 (powerful, ubiquitous round) and the way it shoots (smooth, controllable) makes it an easy choice versus the xd9. If you don't have to choose, so much the better! I wish I could shoot my 45 every day but that's not why I got it and can't afford to shoot centerfires all the time anyway. Besides, that's what my Browning 22 pistol is for! Rimfire madness, baby, and it's more accurate! It must be nice to be in a position to shoot 9mils at leisure, but that's not where I am.

My XD45 5" is so much fun I'm considering reloading equipment!!

ar10
March 13, 2009, 11:25 AM
I think owning the xd made me condition myself to always draw the gun with my index finger pointing straight down and keeping it there. It takes some practice but it's pretty much is second nature now. It's also simpler because I don't have to think about cocking a hammer or whether the safety is on or off. I've shot a lot of IDPA matches that makes you think at a faster rate than you normally would. Just keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot.

9mmepiphany
March 13, 2009, 01:26 PM
Im on the fence about the lack of an external safety, but it functions flawlessly so I can't complain.
-Freuder

Springfield had an XD at the 2008 SHOT Show that had a thumb safety on it...i think they introduced it for a contract...felt good when i tried it

CoRoMo
March 13, 2009, 02:29 PM
My XD45 is occasionally my favorite pistol of my bunch.

It is awesome. I highly recommend.

Gryffydd
March 13, 2009, 02:49 PM
I have an XD9 SC and I absolutely love it. Feels great, very accurate, very reliable.

The primary reason LE Agencies haven't picked up on it is that S&W and Glock are both far more aggressive in the pricing etc. for LE sales. The other reason is that even though in operation their indistinguishable from a Glock (Similar trigger pull, no manual safeties etc.), they're *technically* Single Action guns because the striker is fully cocked by the action of the slide. Since many departments exclude Single Action Only guns, the XD is excluded.

Plinkeriffic
March 13, 2009, 03:03 PM
"Just keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot."

Damn skippy!

That's always been my rule, and will be dilligently observed with my XD45. I guess if they'd had one with a thumb safety where I bought mine I would have chosen it, but with trigger and grip safeties (and the index finger outside the guard!) I can see toting it armed and ready. It would be nice if it had a de-cocking meachanism, though it hardly matters and does have a 'cocked' indicator AND a 'chamber loaded' indicator. I'll probably just keep it unchambered unless I'm in some kind of situation. Good news is you really do have to have the grip fully depressed and both triggers pulled all the way back before it will discharge. That said, it's still not too hard to just pull the slide to chamber a round for action.

-Plinkeriffic

INSULATION TIM
March 13, 2009, 03:13 PM
I have the XD45 and it's a fine gun and as easy to disassemble and clean as a Glock. They are quite similar actually.

redneckhunter
March 13, 2009, 08:58 PM
i shoot my two xd`s twice a week about 250 to 300 rnds each. both are accurate as any bowning or smith ive ever saw. after almost 3000 rnds in each one , well i this that speaks for itself , nuff said:D

bluez4u
March 13, 2009, 09:30 PM
The XD may be one of the accurate guns I own.

MP3Mogul
March 13, 2009, 09:43 PM
The XD's are fine handguns.

I own several, in 9mm, including an XDm.

There was a post above regarding the accuracy. Well, I'll say this, I can blow the center out of a 1 inch target at 25 yards consistently with any XD handgun, subcompact, service size or the XDm. I've done it in both 9mm and .40 S&W. So the accuracy is above normal for a "combat handgun". I'll take an XD anyday....

Redneck with a 40
March 13, 2009, 10:19 PM
I have an XD and all I can say is.....I love it! I've got close to 4000 rounds out of it, no problems at all, sweet shooting gun.:D

9mmepiphany
March 13, 2009, 11:40 PM
i was able to shoot a Rob Leatham XD awhile back...5" Tactical model...and it had a beautiful trigger.

i'm torn between what to buy next a Springfield XD or a Dan Wesson CBOB

goose2
March 14, 2009, 12:18 AM
All I know is there are a lot more people who like there XD's than do not. Just read this thread and that will tell you something. The XD 45C was my first auto pistol and I love the heck out of it. It shoots straight and it shoots everything you feed it. How can that be so bad. I will second there customer service. It is as good as it gets "period". You call them with a problem and it is taking care of free of charge. I was thinking about getting a Glock just to have something different but after reading this thread and hearing all the positive reports I think I will buy me a XD 9mm SC Monday morning. Have a nice day.

DC3-CVN-72
March 14, 2009, 02:54 AM
I have 3 Springfield Armory .45 cal. 1911 A-1 pistals, a stainless Trophy Match, verry early mill spec. before the G.I. and a verry early mill spec. Micro Compact and I LUV them all, but in the roll mark with the 2 crossed cannon it clearly says "Springfield Armory 1974". on all 3 guns. I never was much good with math but I don't think that makes them 200 yrs old ? I don't understand the marketing. at the time I bought theas guns they said they saved the name by creating a new and better company. Now they are the same OLD company but better because they are OLD ? Do they think I have a bad memory or can't read, or both. could someone explaine this to me ?

EAJ
March 14, 2009, 06:26 PM
+1 for the SA XD, and the 1911 Micro, Champion and MC Operators, and EMP. Best customer service in the business. :)

possum
March 16, 2009, 04:05 AM
i love my xd, and everyone that i have ever used. I have over 12,000rds through mine and i couldn't be happier. reliable, accurate and fun to shoot. i also own a sa 1911, great shooter as well.

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