7.62x25 conversions?


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burnse
March 10, 2009, 01:23 AM
Are there any kits out there to convert pistols to 7.62x25? That would be fantastic if there was something out there.

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Mastiff
March 10, 2009, 01:29 AM
None that I know of.

MachIVshooter
March 10, 2009, 01:41 AM
We wish. I'd love to have a modern pistol chambered in the cartridge. With a double column mag, it'd hold 18-20 rounds.

I've actually bee tinkering with the idea of building a single shot 7.62x25 rifle, just for fun.

MagnumDweeb
March 10, 2009, 02:19 PM
There are no per se kits unfortunately. Go to Sarcoinc.com. Look for the Tokarev pistol section. You can get 9mm barrels, also get the bushing and the mags.

The Romanians TT33s I have (got three through a kitchen table FFL who knew a distributor he built guns for personally) are SOBs, only one is still cherry, it's my untouched gun to rest safely at the back of my safe.

One I did in the standard 9mm. The other I did in 9x23 Winchester, it also fires .38 Super and 9x23 Largo, not incredibly accurate mind you, past fifteen yards with anything other than the 9x23 Winchester Silver Tips on bulls eye is difficult. The barrels are damned thick to me. I thought about doing other workups but I'm focused on rifles right now.

Look for Clark 'The Destroyer' he's a member on this site. Be polite and thankful and he might share his notes. I'm not sharing mine for legal considerations. Remember I didn't tell you to do it, don't suggest doing it, and would advise against it.

Mastiff
March 10, 2009, 02:25 PM
I did that 9x23 Winchester conversion on my Romanian per Clark's posts. For me it turned out very accurate.
The pistol is built like a tank. My Norinco 213 went past 55,000 rounds without a single malfunction. I finally gave it to my brother (who had been pestering me for it) when I got the Romanian.
It is the Russian's answer to the Colt 1911.

MagnumDweeb
March 10, 2009, 03:27 PM
Oh it's incredibly accurate with 9x23 Winchester out to thirty yards.

Jim Watson
March 10, 2009, 05:42 PM
The overall length of the 7.62x25 is too great for the magazine and slide stroke of any current model pistol. I really doubt anybody is going to tool up for a new gun so people can shoot cheap Commie surplus ammunition.

Maybe if somebody with a lot of pull in the industry went around to the ammo and gun companies and convinced them there would be a market for Colt, Glock, etc. guns and fresh high performance hollowpoint ammo; like Elmer Keith and the .44 Magnum, something could be done. But don't hold your breath.

burnse
March 11, 2009, 04:51 AM
Tokarev, here I come!

22LRFan
March 11, 2009, 05:06 AM
Normally people convert away from 7.62X25. MachIVshooter what you've described reminds me of the FN Five-seveN.

burnse
March 11, 2009, 01:08 PM
Why the heck would people convert FROM 7.62x25 these days?! Too fun to let go of, IMO.

makarovnik
March 11, 2009, 05:11 PM
I wonder how difficult it would be to convert a Zastava M88 to 7.62x25. I would even allow the barrel to stick out an inch or so.

wizzegun
March 11, 2009, 11:50 PM
Why convert when you can now get the M57?

burnse
March 12, 2009, 03:20 PM
was the m57 unavailable before?

Teapot
March 12, 2009, 05:00 PM
Guys, Norinco made a double stack Tokarev in 7.62x25. They don't anymore otherwise they would be sold here in Canada and believe me they wouldn't be lying on the shop shelves long.
Ammunition supplies of this surplus round had slowed down of late as many Canadians realize how good the pistol is and the high quality of the 50yr old ammo not to mention it's versatility for use in a carbine sized rifle.
One can only hope Marstar brings more ammo in for they have sold out of it. I got the last two boxes of it.

leadcounsel
January 21, 2010, 02:15 AM
bump- any new conversions or modern pistols out there chambered in this round?

MattTheHat
January 21, 2010, 02:54 AM
The overall length of the 7.62x25 is too great for the magazine and slide stroke of any current model pistol. I really doubt anybody is going to tool up for a new gun so people can shoot cheap Commie surplus ammunition.

Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I thought I remember reading in Patrick Sweeney's 1911 book that had owned or at least shot 1911 re-chambered for 7.62x25.

-Matt

MattTheHat
January 21, 2010, 03:00 AM
After thinking about this some more, I have to say I disagree. The 7.62X25 has an overall length of 1.381". That's only a smidge longer than the 10mm cartridge, and considerably shorter than the .50 AE.

-Matt

Oyeboten
January 21, 2010, 05:15 AM
Lol...


This Thread is asking about converting erstwhile other-cartridge/caliber Pistols TO the 7.62x25 Cartridge.


And I had been intending a Thread about converting an erstwhile 7.62x25 to 9mm or 38 Super.


Funny how things go...

Jim Watson
January 21, 2010, 11:51 AM
Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I thought I remember reading in Patrick Sweeney's 1911 book that had owned or at least shot 1911 re-chambered for 7.62x25.

Yes, the Communist Chinese did it. I assume to convert guns we had supplied the Nationalist Chinese with in WW II to take the same ammo as their Tokarevs, Mausers, and SMGs. I have seen a couple at gun shows and they are the crudest things imaginable. The magazine well has been filed out to where the frontstrap is paper thin, a magazine fabricated out of thin sheet metal, and the breechface, extractor, and ejector somehow munged up to accept the smaller casehead; the barrel lined or replaced.

I wish I had one available to look at closely and to show my gunsmith... but not enough to pay for such a kluge.


Google finds a lot of similar discussions and "my wife's uncle has one" dating back 7 years.

So it is physically possible but I doubt it would be a feasible product to offer the American consumer.

WardenWolf
January 21, 2010, 02:13 PM
Only guns I know of that are even remotely compatible are the classic Mauser pistols chambered in 7.62x23, which the Russians based their round off of. Granted, I believe the Tokarev ammo is hotter loaded, and nobody should consider modifying a classic German gun to fire Russian ammo.

I'm considering buying the 9mm conversion parts for my Romanian Tokarev, just so I can have the versatility of a gun that can switch between two calibers in 5 minutes. There's nothing lost by owning a gun that can shoot two common calibers equally well.

Hatterasguy
January 21, 2010, 03:55 PM
Just buy a Tokarev or CZ. You could buy a whole pistol for what a conversion kit would cost.

mordechaianiliewicz
January 21, 2010, 04:39 PM
I would buy one. I've owned a CZ-52 at one point, and would love one of the Tokarevs.... a Glock, or SA in 7.62x25mm would be awesome.

But, I'm thinking it would have to be purpose built for the measurement reasons given.

leadcounsel
January 21, 2010, 04:39 PM
Based on my research, it doesn't seem that there would be a stretch in building a conversion kit for a standard 10mm auto pistol made by Glock or EAA for instance:

10mm auto
Case type Rimless, straight
Bullet diameter 10.16 mm (0.400 in)
Neck diameter 10.70 mm (0.421 in)
Base diameter 10.81 mm (0.426 in)
Rim diameter 10.85 mm (0.427 in)
Rim thickness 1.40 mm (0.055 in)
Case length 25.20 mm (0.992 in)
Overall length 32.00 mm (1.260 in)
Maximum pressure 258.55 MPa (37,500 psi)


7.62x25mm Tokarev
Bullet diameter 7.8 mm (0.31 in)
Neck diameter 8.4 mm (0.33 in)
Shoulder diameter 9.4 mm (0.37 in)
Base diameter 9.7 mm (0.38 in)
Rim diameter 9.9 mm (0.39 in)
Rim thickness 1.3 mm (0.051 in)
Case length 25 mm (0.98 in)
Overall length 34 mm (1.3 in)

19-3Ben
January 21, 2010, 05:58 PM
Hrm.... If I bought a 7.62 Tok gun, like lets say a CZ-52 using my C&R license, and converted it to 9mm, what would that do to the C&R status of the gun?

ronbuick
January 21, 2010, 07:04 PM
Why in the world would you want to convert it to a 9mm from a 7.62x25mm?? What
am I missing here, more info please, thanks 19-.

Ron

19-3Ben
January 23, 2010, 12:06 AM
Just because. Plain and simple as that.

I was just curious as to the gun's C&R status. I mean I know I can buy an SKS (for example) and swap out the stock, or something minor like that. But to do a swap to another caliber? I wonder how the regs treat that.

ronbuick
January 23, 2010, 01:23 AM
that 7.62x25mm is a very,bad round compared to that 9x19mm round, palin and simple as that, not to be a smart a^&, but just had to say that, hope you do not mind.

Ron

ronbuick
January 23, 2010, 01:24 AM
plain

tkcomer
January 23, 2010, 10:45 AM
Not a pistol, but...http://www.cncgunsparts.com/home Can't wait for mine to get here. You could build this on a pistol lower though.

19-3Ben
January 23, 2010, 02:27 PM
Oh my lord. That is an AWESOME idea!

tkcomer
January 24, 2010, 10:22 AM
Mine will be going on a registered M-16 lower. I'm gonna need a lot of ammo. My CZ-52 will probably stay in the safe when this comes in.

Geneseo1911
January 24, 2010, 10:32 AM
Mine will be going on a registered M-16 lower. I'm gonna need a lot of ammo.

So what you're saying is, if I ever want a Tok/52, I should buy some ammo now before the surplus market mysteriously dries up....

tkcomer
January 24, 2010, 01:06 PM
That's what I'm going to do. Once I make sure the gun runs OK. I stupidly bought 223 here and there when I first put this thing together back in '87. Now I wish I had stocked up.

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