Glock 27 in the woods (baby glock 40)


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fire4hunter
March 10, 2009, 09:34 PM
So I was planning on getting a glock 20 to carry while hunting in the woods, especially when black bear hunting because of the power of the 10mm round and then also getting a smaller pistol 38 or something to carry. All I have now is a full size 1911. Not the easiest to carry and would like more performance in the woods. After going through the finances I have come to the difficult realization that I can't afford two pistols. I have had someone offer me an almost new glock 27 (baby glock 40 cal) for 350. The price seems good and they carry well. My question is would you feel comfortable carrying one in the woods. I bow hunt for bear and like a pistol for backup, which is now legal in washington as long as you have cc permit. Anyway hit black bear Vs. baby glock 40 am I safe or should I get something more powerfull. Thanks for the help.

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HammerG26
March 10, 2009, 10:26 PM
I have a Glock 26 (same size as a Glock 27) and a 1911. I can easily carry the 1911 and Glock 26 - probably the 1911 a little easier... although it is heavier. That being said, I would rather have the .45 over the .40...

dacavasi
March 10, 2009, 11:18 PM
As a bear backup I would go for the 10mm. As for the 'baby' version of anything, unless you feel a strong need to conceal your backup gun for some reason when out in the woods, I would recommend a full size frame that you can wrap your hands around and get a decent grip on, especially if you opt for the hotter rounds...

nathan
March 11, 2009, 01:53 AM
A good cheap backup is a 12 g shottie in pistol configuration with shoulder sling. Loaded with slugs, nothing beats it by any good measure.

Big Bill
March 11, 2009, 01:59 AM
You'll be fine with the Glock 27 in .40. Most black bears will totally leave you alone unless you surprise a sow with a cub or cubs. The chances of that happening are almost nill.

Ruger
March 11, 2009, 07:06 AM
I have never hunted anywhere in the North west woods , but if it's in any way close to the north east the chances of running into a sow and her cubs is very very likely.

As far has carrying while bow hunting , we can not bow hunt and carry any kind of firearm in NY so you try to teach yourself not to get into a fix, but sometimes it presents inself. Then it's between you and the bear???

my 2 c$ if you are serious about archery, practice, practice,practice so you can place your shot where it is needed and hopefully you wouldn't need to use your back up.

that being said to answer your question I carry my g27 every day and, every time I go hunting during reg season also in black bear country. I would not ever hesitate to use it for a back up in a bad situation that presented itself. I have run into a few bears coming and going into the stand but usally I am able to give them a wide berth

Most of the time there more afraid you than the other way around. The problem is when the cubs are curious as to what you are , then the sow gets into the mix

Feel confident in what you choose to carry and most of the time your questions will answer themsevles

MCgunner
March 11, 2009, 11:09 AM
I'm not a fancier of autos. I carry one, but for field use much prefer revolvers. But, I often have a little .38 Taurus Ultra Lite in a pocket when I'm out and not wearing a firearm because it's a carry gun of mine and I've taken rabbit with it, shot hogs in the trap with it, shot the heads off snakes, shot a lot of sharks with it when fishing. I like to carry it as it's stainless and I'm fishing salt water, usually.

Anyway, some guy in the revolver forum got on my case for suggesting I liked to use my snubby in the field for such things. Basically called me stupid. But, Texas is not an open carry state and I don't run around with a shotgun, either. I often get TO the field with a motorcycle. When fishing, I don't wear a side arm, just pocket my carry, the little Taurus. SO, I hear ya on the little gun thing.

Anyway, for 350 bucks, you can pick up a good used SP101 3" in .357 magnum, maybe could find a new one for that, but I'm not sure in today's market. Could have 6 months ago. .357 has good power out of the 3" barrel, comparable to 10mm. .38s make for a versatile gun, too, though they likely won't shoot to the same POI as the heavy magnums. I fired my 180 grain HOT loads out of a 2.25" SP101 and got 662 ft lbs (can't recall the velocity, was something in the 1300 fps range or better I think) with it, but was a handful in the little gun. That's what Buffalo Bore advertises with their 180 grain stuff. It wasn't too hard to shoot with a Hogue grip on the gun, but with the factory grip, it battered my middle finger pretty bad.

Anyway, just another thought on an option. I would like another SP101 sometime. I'd bought mine from my son-in-law when he needed money and promised to sell it back to him. I just didn't wanna see him pawn the thing. He's gotten it back since.

HB
March 11, 2009, 05:59 PM
A good cheap backup is a 12 g shottie in pistol configuration with shoulder sling. Loaded with slugs, nothing beats it by any good measure.
Except a shotgun with a stock:evil: Although I've never had a gun slung over my back while bowhunting, I don't imagine it would be much fun. Just carry the Glock or get the ruger sp101. Or don't worry about it at all.

HB

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
March 11, 2009, 07:09 PM
Since black bears take off running at the first sight or scent of a human, yes it would be sufficient. As for pumas and feral dogs, it's a lot better than nothing, and it would certainly be LIGHT, which is a key factor. But like someone said, no reason to go with a small pistol necessarily.

fire4hunter
March 11, 2009, 08:27 PM
I was mostely worried about looking for a bear after it had been shot already. The woods here are so thick and working through them looking for a bear with only a bow just doesn't make me feel good. I know people say that practice and practice you're shot placement but a bear is going to run after you hit it with a bow and not every shot goes just where you thought it did. I was mostly concered with wether this would be sufficient when looking for a bear that was hit already. Someone mentioned the G29. Great idea for some really though about that but then thinking more I was worried about the recoil in the full size G20 can't imagine the Baby version G29 would be very controllable. Thanks for the advise keep it coming.

Big Bill
March 11, 2009, 11:03 PM
We have some good sized black bears here in Idaho, and I wouldn't feel under gunned with an SP101 .357 Mag. But, I also carry four speedloaders.

With the Glock 27, you've got a lot of man-stopping firepower in a lightweight package. Plus, if you carry four or more extra magazines, you can really lay a ton of devistating fire down in a hurry. I think that little G27 would be a good choice for the backwoods here in Idaho, with all the wolves we have here. I'd rather have that G27 to take on a pack of wolves than an SP101!

usmc1371
March 12, 2009, 04:03 AM
The guides I hunt with in Idaho kill alot of bears and cougars every year and both of them carry .357. They get to shoot alot of animals that have been hit with arrows and hit the ground alive. And when I asked why they didn't carry something bigger they said "why? .357 works just fine".
That said my little bro carries a smithy air light .44 while bow hunting. I would rather have the glock than just another sharp stick.

harrygunner
March 12, 2009, 06:33 PM
On Internet, seems like reason has left the room when it comes to 10mm recoil.

Based on my experience, a way to gauge full 10mm recoil from a Glock 29 is to either shoot Double Tap 200gr .45 ACP from a 5" 1911 or to shoot Double Tap 185gr .45 ACP from a Glock 30.

You will not be knocked to the floor or see a nuclear fireball coming out of the barrel.

I like to hike into areas that are isolated to camp. I bring one of these, depending on where I am.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/harrygunner/hiking/woodsguns.jpg

The Ruger Redhawk is a 5.5" .44 Mag revolver in a Idaho Leather Co. shoulder holster. The Glock is a model 29 in 10mm.

Above the Glock are a 300gr Hornady XTP and a Buffalo Bore 340gr LBT-LFN .44 Mag cartridge. BB ammo really expanded the options with the Redhawk by providing 1481 ft-lb of energy at the muzzle if I think I need it. Below the Glock are Double Tap 180gr XTP and 215gr WFNGC hard cast cartridges in 10mm.

MCgunner
March 12, 2009, 07:10 PM
Yeah, I've fired a G20 and it was mild compared to some of the hand cannons I've played with. Can't handle the G29, don't even think about pickin' up a TC Contender with a 10" .45-70 barrel on it. ROFL!

IdahoLT1
March 14, 2009, 06:18 AM
$350 can get a you a Rossi .357 mag with a 4" barrel. It would be perfect for black bears. EAA has their Wonder Finish Witness pistols chambered in 10mm for around that price.

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