.380 ammo shortage


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sgtchris
March 11, 2009, 08:04 PM
I live in kent, washington and I cannot find a box of Remington .380 golden sabers to save my life or any kind of .380 for that matter. They keep on saying that Remington just cant keep up with demand for small defensive ammo.
My question is when did .380 ammo become so damn rare. Albeit I am only 36 years old but I always assumed it was the older folks that tended to be partial to that caliber for backup shooters I could be wrong.
I thought I was special. I am really pissed off that the eight(8) yes eight places I have called or checked out myself that the shelf whas completely bare. Whats going on?

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oneounceload
March 11, 2009, 08:41 PM
We elected a socialist in November that has threatened to eliminate guns, ammunition, etc.....people are panic buying and hoardng

HGUNHNTR
March 11, 2009, 08:49 PM
A socialist, you act as if its a dirty word.

Ammo is scarce because people love to hoard things that make them feel warm and fuzzy when they believe the end is near. That cuts the supply available to you and me.

jjohnson
March 11, 2009, 08:54 PM
Young Sarge, I'm one of those old folks that buys the .380 ammo now and then.

My combat boots are older than you are, Sonny....:scrutiny:

But anyway, many of us old folks started stockpiling some time ago when it started to look like the election wasn't going to go our way. You're going to have to mail order some from one of the many outfits like Grafs, Wideners, Natchez, Midsouth or even (I spit) Midway. You may want to consider reloading the .380 so you'll have ammo to practice with if you can't score big on high performance ammo. I bought my spendy SD ammo, enough to do the reliability test in my Makarov, and reloaded piles of it for range/plinking. If you reload 9mm Luger, you can even load the 115 grain bullets in both, same powder (type, not charge weight), and primers.

The ammo shortage is entirely a supply and demand thing, and extends to loading components. You may as well get in line to stockpile some of your own before ammo and/or components get the attention of our friends in Government.:mad:

p.s. - for those of you in Suisse, I recall that it was one of your neighbors who made "socialist" a negative word about 70 years ago - remember?

Marlin 45 carbine
March 11, 2009, 08:58 PM
the supply here for .380acp is zilch. 9mm is available-barely. .357Mag and .38Spc is limited also. and 12ga Mag Buck. and 30-30 'regular' the Hi$$ ammo can be found.

David E
March 11, 2009, 09:53 PM
Wow, a lotta hostility for a simple question !

.380 is more popular than it used to be, thanks to new pocket pistols being chambered for it.

ALL ages are buying it.

And it's not "hoarding" if you're simply trying to buy some to have on hand.

I was told that Federal, for one, uses the same machinery to make .380 ammo as they do to make 9mm ammo. Right now, it's going 24/7 cranking out 9mm.

Yes, "socialist" IS a dirty word, at least it should be in this country.

Taurus_9mm
March 11, 2009, 11:14 PM
I don't own anything in .380 but an owner of one of the two local shops I frequent said she couldn't get anything in her shop in .380 either, and usually they have a lot of everything on hand.

orionengnr
March 11, 2009, 11:36 PM
Reloading. It's not just for breakfast anymore... :)

huntsman
March 12, 2009, 12:52 AM
My question is when did .380 ammo become so damn rare.

I would have thought it would be easy to find, After all the experts on the web tell us it's a worthless cartridge for self-defense.

LightningCrash
March 12, 2009, 09:13 AM
I've heard, in a roundabout fashion, that most ammunition mfgs that had presses tooled up for .380 have tooled them up in 9mm to meet demand. The .380 in the pipeline has thus dried up, much to the dismay of many BUG owners.

Again, that's just hearsay, but it seems to have some form of merit.

ultradoc
March 12, 2009, 09:21 AM
I went to Wall Mart yesterday and they were out of 380

tinygnat219
March 12, 2009, 09:30 AM
I was in Las Vegas last month visiting family and decided to bring my Kel-Tec P3AT and a box of .380 ammo with me in case we managed to hit the desert or an indoor range somewhere. On a whim, I decided to get another box. It turned into a bit of an obsession:
3 Super Wal-Marts out.
1 Bass Pro out.
2 Big Five Sporting Goods out.
8 Mom and Pop gun stores out.
Finally found 2 boxes of UMC Reloads for 17 bucks each. I snagged them.
Of the 13 stores I visited only the last one had ANY handgun ammo out there.

jackstinson
March 12, 2009, 10:36 AM
A whole lot of people are using .380 with all of the Bersas, Kel-Tecs, Walthers, and LCP's out there now. This week I've finally got some boxes of various .380 starting to trickle in. I'd love to buy ammo locally, but none of the shops around here have had .380 for months.

My personal technique to buying .380acp (.32, 9x18, etc):
1. If you see it available online or on a shelf, buy it right freakin' then!
2. Put in as many "notify me when in stock" requests as you can at places like Natchez, Graf, etc.
3. Place back-orders for 2-3 brands with at least 3 places online. Back-orders have varying waits. This is good...since they don't charge you until the ammo ships....and the shipping fee is usually split up over the shipments they make.
4. Look online daily, especially on the weekend. Like I found some Remington .380 which came into stock overnight at Cabela's between last Saturday and Sunday; I ordered Sunday morning, it shipped on Monday, and is being delivered today.

Finally, don't order 2,000 rounds of one kind at a time. Let someone else have some. :)
Jack

LightningMan
March 12, 2009, 11:14 AM
Dam! you folks are making me think I should have bought more .380 ammo. I was at a gun show in Nebraska Feb. 21 and a dealer had several boxes of .380 Mag-Tech ammo for $11.00 a box of 50rds. RNL. I ended up getting 3 of them for practice and 1 box of 20rd. Hornady JHP for $17.00. Should have got more, LM.

ilmonster
March 12, 2009, 11:26 AM
Around here in southeastern Wisconsin there is plenty of .380. Actually, 9mm, .40, .38/.357 are in short supply. Most Walmarts, Ganders, etc. don't have any of the above, but plenty of .380 and .25 cal. ammo. Maybe in time folks will start to begin hording those too.

hlq
March 12, 2009, 11:55 AM
I found a 100 pk about a month ago at the local Wally world and picked it up. Haven't seen any there since or anywhere else for that matter. Most of the online source are out also but I have noticed some show expected shipments dates. Placing yourself on the notify lists is a good idea, you'll get some (right after they fill my order)!

batmann
March 12, 2009, 12:45 PM
Sorry Sgtchris that this turned into something of a political thing. Just about any caliber is hard to get right now and when you can find it, getting very pricey. The election has people in somewhat of a panic mode. Many types of firearms are also in short supply as well.
I have taken to buying my ammo on line. IF you search around, you can usually find what you need. I just bought a 100 rounds of .30-30 cheaper than Wally World (with the IN sales tax) and that included the shipping. I will keep my Leverevolution and use this stuff for practice.
If you don't mind the extra cost, Double Tap ammo has some really good stuff. I haven't used their .380, but have used their .357 and .44Mag stuff and it is really good. Buffalo Bore and Cor-bon are a couple more premium makes whose stuff I get. Pricey, but but IMHO worth it.

Art Eatman
March 12, 2009, 12:49 PM
We really don't need a bunch of snarky, hostile mouth music here.

Spyvie
March 12, 2009, 01:55 PM
Doubletap has .380 in stock, but it's not cheap. At least I think it's in stock... they accepted my order on Tuesday, and sent a confirmation.

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_62

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 12, 2009, 02:16 PM
I was told that Federal, for one, uses the same machinery to make .380 ammo as they do to make 9mm ammo. Right now, it's going 24/7 cranking out 9mm.
I think this is probably closer to the truth than anything. Most places seem to be low on almost everything and the demand for 9mm (and other calibers, I'm sure) is certainly higher than than that for .380. The manufacturers are most likely cranking out the ammo which will fill the most orders.

panther22
March 12, 2009, 06:49 PM
My local shop got in about 20 boxes on Monday. They were sold out by Wed. They aren't sure when they might get more.

KevininPa
March 12, 2009, 07:16 PM
........but the fast popularity of the pocket rockets is what I blame. Ammo companies have to play catch-up now that the lowly .380 is the thing to carry. And I don't know about large companies, but my reloader requires different parts to reload 9mm compared to .380, so it might mean different retooling for them as well. That takes time and big money on their part. So it may be awhile before the .380 is mainstream with them. Glad I learned to roll my own :). 100 grain FMJs just short of 1000 FPS out of a Sig 232SL:D. Works for me!

huntsman
March 13, 2009, 11:29 AM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090313_11_A1_ARuger442781

by: KELLY BOSTIAN World Outdoors Writer
Friday, March 13, 2009
3/13/2009 9:24:48 AM

Four months after the election of President Barack Obama, firearms and ammunition sales in Tulsa remain at a fever pitch.

Popular self-protection ammunition is often sold out at local stores, weapons are flying off shelves and the state reports an 87 percent increase in concealed carry permit applications for February 2008 over February 2009.

"People are hoarding. They're creating a shortage," Jim Prall at Sports World on 41st Street said of ammunition sales. "We've sold more ammunition in the last three months than we sold last year."

Gun sales spiked in November with the election of Barack Obama and Democrats adding to their majority in Congress. But local gun dealers say the spike is turning into a steady climb with political worries about gun rights as well as worries about the economy and potential for increased crime.

Prall said his store planned ahead for the increase, having seen a similar spike after Bill Clinton was elected, but the previous jump in sales pales in comparison to what's happening now.

"Most we're selling now we got back in September, but we bought pallets then where normally we wouldn't have ordered that much."

The surprise sales come with .380 caliber semi- automatic pistols. A relatively small self-protection weapon, it's not one that people typically fire in great quantity at the firing range, Prall said. Yet, the ammunition is now hard to find. "Nobody would have predicted that," he said.

"What's happened is everybody is afraid because the Democrats are anti-gun," said David Stone, president of Dong's Guns and Ammo on East Admiral Place.

Internet chatter about bills in Congress that would create additional taxes on firearms and ammunition components, require strict licensing and ban more types of so-called "assault weapons" add to the concern, Stone said. "That's just driving everyone into panic mode," he said. "We're selling 10 times the ammo we used to."

Similar bills have come up in Congress before, but few have advanced.

"We ran completely out here of 9 mm and .380," said Johny Mathews, product and service manager at the U.S. Shooting Sports Academy on East 66th Street North. "We were begging, borrowing and stealing from wherever."

Concealed-carry classes at the academy are booked through April. "We used to do 15-person classes, and now we do 24 because of the demand," he said.

Mathews believes that politics are partly to blame, but the economy also has people worried.

"It's 50/50, I think" he said. "When people lose jobs and get desperate, good people can sometimes do bad things. People hear more about home invasions, robberies, and they think it will only get worse. Then they're afraid they might lose their guns or ammo, so they stock up."

Sales are so intense that Stone has limited sales of .380 ammo to one box per customer at Dong's. He has .380-caliber handguns for sale, and likes to be able to sell ammunition to whoever buys a gun, he said.

A shipment of 10 Ruger .380 LCP handguns was sold in 24 hours this week seven the first day, three the next. "Last week I had 28 boxes of .380, rationed to one per person, and it was gone in three days," Stone said.

Academy Sporting Goods stores also are low on .380 ammo. "The other day we got 16 boxes of .380 and a guy came in first thing and bought all 16," said Jon Ide, hunting and fishing sales associate at the 41st Street store. "A few people are doing all the buying, and it's the people who are trying to just get a box or two that can't find any."

The increased sales comes with an increase in Oklahomans seeking concealed-carry permits.

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation pulled in additional help last month so it could process concealed-carry permit applications within the required 90 days, according to the supervisor of the self-defense licensing unit. Unit workers do not release their names.

The 87.2 percent increase for February 2009 over the same month last year was partially due to renewal applications for permits issued three and five years ago. But new applications have steadily risen in the past three years, and increased markedly since November, she said.

She couldn't share the monthly breakdown on numbers, but as an indication of the volume said the state issued a total of 18,510 permits in 2008. The bureau's annual reports show the state issued 16,426 permits in 2007 and 9,529 in 2006. There are 75,525 valid active concealed-carry permits in Oklahoma, she said.

brin747
March 13, 2009, 11:43 AM
Well, considering I have been unable to find a Ruger LCP in stock anywhere for months I'd say the round has become pretty darned popular.

dullone
March 13, 2009, 08:14 PM
oops my bad

rondog
March 13, 2009, 08:39 PM
Wow, thank God I've collected up a bunch of .380 brass and bullets! I have a 2 gallon bucket completely full of cleaned and polished .380 brass, several hundred bullets of various flavors, and a couple quarts of cleaned brass already primed and ready to load. And a hundred of those white ammo boxes w/styrofoam trays for .380/9mm from Midway.

Then there's my stash of brass, primers, powder and bullets for .45acp, .40 S&W, 9mm Luger, .38 Special, .44 mag, .30-06, 7.62x54R..........

And all those empty GI ammo cans........

LightningMan
March 15, 2009, 10:25 PM
Well I visited my local Scheels today and they had 3 boxes of DPX .380 ammo at $24.99 a box-O-20rds. (passed on those, too much$$$) They had nada, zip, zero 9mm ammo.:eek: I also found out my favorite .22 bulk paks Win. Xpert went from $16.99 to $22.99 a box-o-500rds.:mad: Went to the closest Wally world (we have 3 ) low and behold they had one lonely box of 50rds Rem. .380 FMJ's for $15.97. Bought those and as a bonus I found 1 box of Win. Xpert .22 LR's for (SUPPRISE) $12.97!:) Nearly 10 dollars cheaper than Scheels. Down side is I most likely will not find another buy like this anytime soon.:( LM

Dollar An Hour
March 15, 2009, 10:34 PM
I blame the insane popularity of the Ruger LCP for the sudden scarcity of .380 ammo. That's the only excuse I can think of. Not like it's a superb defense caliber, but it's better than nothing.

luft97
April 22, 2009, 09:30 PM
I don't own a .380, but I called around to all the major stores in Houston (besides Walmart) last week for a few family members and there was only one place that had any and they were limiting it to 1 box per person... :(

I would not own a little .380 myself. I like my Rohrbaugh R9. :D

colorado_handgunner
April 22, 2009, 11:38 PM
Makes me glad I bought 475 rounds when I got my LCP. Now I am down to 275 :(. I will be rationing it for a while.

At least my total handgun ammo count is over 6000 rounds! :D

searcher451
April 23, 2009, 06:17 PM
I haven't seen any .380 of any stripe, from FMJ to self-defense, for more than four months and counting. Every time I ask, I get the odd look and/or the cold shoulder, or both.

paradox998
April 23, 2009, 06:30 PM
I have a couple of 380's and fortunately ordered 500 rounds last December. Since then I started reloading and try finding 380 die sets - no one has them. More shortages care of our new socialist leader.

moooose102
April 23, 2009, 07:13 PM
in short, yes, the 380 is more popular than it used to be (thank you ruger lcp). but, things went directly to he77 when the current president became elected. before his election, things started accelerating. but i think that a lot of us thought that he would not get the votes he did. when we woke up to the news, it was like every light switch in america turned on at once, and they have stayed on every since. eventually, supplies will catch up with demand, but i believe that it will ocour only after the demand starts to drop. eventually, everyone will either run out of money, or room to hoard ammo and compoments. at least i hope they do. the only problem is eventually, when things return to "normal" is that the ammo manufactureres will have a big period of where almost no one buys ammo. becasue there is such a huge stockpile in everyones basement. another bad thing that could very well come of this, is when we have a rash of fires, where huge piles of ammo burning slows or stops the fire departments atempt to put out a house fiire, local ordanaces will get passed to limit how much ammo any one person can keep in their dwelling (some places already have them). then, there will be a huge sell off at yard sales of excess ammo cheap. of course living in the sticks, where such ordances are unlikely to be passed, i wouldn't mind getting in on some of that action! hmmm, you need to sell 50 boxes of 45acp, i'll give you $10.00 a box for all of them!:evil::neener:

huntsman
April 24, 2009, 09:15 AM
I haven't seen any .380 of any stripe, from FMJ to self-defense, for more than four months and counting. Every time I ask, I get the odd look and/or the cold shoulder, or both.


I bought a box of blazer for $20.00 and Buffalo bore for $27.00.

Those prices made me sick but I'm going back to buy the rest of the B Bore my local shop has

ultradoc
April 24, 2009, 09:27 AM
Last Friday I went to 3 Wal Marts,Gander Mtn. and two hunting/sporting goods stores. No .380 Only two stores had 38 and two 9mm.

Husker_Fan
April 24, 2009, 10:25 AM
I was speaking with a management guy at Cabela's last week. Take it with a grain of salt, but he said the Winchester representative had been in two days prior and told them all .380 presses were being used to make 9mm to meet contract obligations.

Husker_Fan
April 24, 2009, 10:38 AM
By the way, I'll likely get flamed for this, but here goes. I have no doubt Obama would like more gun control, but he is pragmatic. I doubt we will see serious gun control initiatives at the federal level any time soon. Shooter's have artificially inflated prices by creating an irrational level of demand.

Just like the irrational demand for tech stocks in the late '90s or for realestate in more recent years, this too will pass. Hopefully, with a glut of ammo and good used guns on the market.

greyling22
April 24, 2009, 10:41 AM
I find brass for it all over the range, but nobody reloads for it. I can't give it away.

jackstinson
April 24, 2009, 11:01 AM
Cabela's online had .380acp Golden Sabre in stock earlier in the week. I have a fair amount of various .380 on hand already or I would have bought some.
I've bought boxes of Remington FMJ from Cabela's online two months in a row now. They seem to get it in the first Saturday of each month and list it "in stock" Sunday morning....it doesn't last long.
Just keep checking the various online sources....it turns up...then buy it immediately. Or keep some on back-order and let it trickle in. No, it's not as cheap as Walmart, but it keeps me shooting.

I didn't realize President Obama had a .380 pistol? So he's the one who's been personally buying up and hoarding everything causing the "shortage"? Ya learn something new every day.

lvcat2004
April 24, 2009, 09:12 PM
At my local super walmart, about 10 same people apparently call between 7-8am to see if any ammo is available, and if there was a shipment, they're gone by 8am.

It's getting ridiculous out here.

luft97
April 24, 2009, 09:44 PM
in short, yes, the 380 is more popular than it used to be (thank you ruger lcp). but, things went directly to he77 when the current president became elected. before his election, things started accelerating. but i think that a lot of us thought that he would not get the votes he did. when we woke up to the news, it was like every light switch in america turned on at once, and they have stayed on every since. eventually, supplies will catch up with demand, but i believe that it will ocour only after the demand starts to drop. eventually, everyone will either run out of money, or room to hoard ammo and compoments. at least i hope they do. the only problem is eventually, when things return to "normal" is that the ammo manufactureres will have a big period of where almost no one buys ammo. becasue there is such a huge stockpile in everyones basement. another bad thing that could very well come of this, is when we have a rash of fires, where huge piles of ammo burning slows or stops the fire departments atempt to put out a house fiire, local ordanaces will get passed to limit how much ammo any one person can keep in their dwelling (some places already have them). then, there will be a huge sell off at yard sales of excess ammo cheap. of course living in the sticks, where such ordances are unlikely to be passed, i wouldn't mind getting in on some of that action! hmmm, you need to sell 50 boxes of 45acp, i'll give you $10.00 a box for all of them!

Well, I would agree with you that this is one of the scenarios that could happen. But, there is another possibility, that things get bad enough for people to use all of the guns and ammo that they have been stockpiling. Where it would go from there? Who knows? I hope your assessment is correct. :what:

RedAlert
April 24, 2009, 10:49 PM
Personally, all this talk of the current president as the cause for all the increased buying and hoarding is as responsible as falsely hollering "Fire" in a movie theater.

Its just fear mongering. Until actual legislation is presented for vote or consideration I don't see that the new administration can be rightly accused of being behind the ammo shortage.

Folks need to look at social conditions around us. Those are the true cause for concern and fear.

As I've mentioned before, keep on top of legislation and let your political member know of your concern. If they don't; elect someone else next time.

Remember prohibition was repealed once American's made their true feelings known :)

buckeye8
April 24, 2009, 10:57 PM
Talked to three gun-store managers/owners this week. They're optimistic about most of the "shortage" issues, but they just shake thier heads when you ask them about .380. One store (a MAJOR retailer) manager said he had only recieved about 10 boxes of .380 since October.

I honestly believe that this particular shortage of this particular caliber will only be fixed when a new manufacturer steps into the game, or an old one who doesn't make much .380 decides to step up the volume big-time. The current manufacturers are failing the market right now, and the opportunity is there for someone new to swallow up some market share. I understand why the major .380 manufacturers have dropped .380 production in favor of keeping up with more important demands... but they've opened up a major opportunity for someone.

LightningMan
April 25, 2009, 01:38 AM
Well it's been about 3-4 weeks sence my last sighting but I saw 1 box of .380 UMC FMJ 250rds bulk box at my local gun store, and it was $94.99. UNREAL!:what: LM

mongo4567
April 25, 2009, 10:54 AM
I just bought two boxes at the local Academy WWB FMJ this morning for $17.99. I left two boxes on the shelf. I got a couple of boxes of Monarch at another Academy a few weeks ago. They had a lot of 9mm, 7.62x39, 7.62x51, 5.45, .223, and .45. They just got a shipment and the pistol ammo runs out pretty fast. It is .40 that I have a hard time finding right now.

CorpITGuy
April 27, 2009, 03:53 PM
I bought 4 boxes of .380 ACP FMJ, 50 rds ea. at a local retailer on Friday. Left several as well. Owner of the shop said he gets in a shipment every now and then, and it's gone the same day.

I'm saving my brass for reloads. As others have mentioned, a manufacturer needs to step in with increased capacity before this problem can go away......

Cannonball888
April 27, 2009, 04:00 PM
Must be all those new P3ATs and LCPs owners HOARDING...;)

mormandy1
April 28, 2009, 06:06 AM
This whole "ammo hoarding" thing makes me want to throw up.

There is not one single bill on the table right now to limit ammo in any way that has any chance of becoming law. Yet this whole paranoid fantasy that "Obama is going to take my ammo away" has caught fire, and thanks to insane hoarders buying crazy amounts of ammo, normal folks can't find a box in their local store.

ravonaf
April 28, 2009, 12:12 PM
I just bought a Bersa 380 over the weekend. Now I can't find a single box to even shoot the thing let alone break it in. It was going to be my new carry gun but I might as well use a slingshot with no ammo being available.

OcelotZ3
April 29, 2009, 12:28 AM
About a month ago I had bought a LCP and decided to go to the range in the middle of the week. Stopped our local Bi-Mart, and they had one box of Blazer on the shelf for $15.99. Thought it was a bit spendy, but picked it up and shot 44 rounds at the range and kept a mag full.

Haven't seen any .380 since...

.45 & 9mm was short for a while, but .45 now shows up & occasionally you even see 9mm. So I think that production might now be catching up, at least in some calibers. I *was* surprised to see how little .22 ammunition there is out there now though.

mgkdrgn
April 29, 2009, 09:07 AM
Wow, thank God I've collected up a bunch of .380 brass and bullets! I have a 2 gallon bucket completely full of cleaned and polished .380 brass, several hundred bullets of various flavors, and a couple quarts of cleaned brass already primed and ready to load. And a hundred of those white ammo boxes w/styrofoam trays for .380/9mm from Midway.

Then there's my stash of brass, primers, powder and bullets for .45acp, .40 S&W, 9mm Luger, .38 Special, .44 mag, .30-06, 7.62x54R..........

And all those empty GI ammo cans........

Now, if you could only get PRIMERS .... :banghead:

DwightWannabe
June 21, 2009, 09:25 PM
I'm a little confused about what I said that got my previous comment deleted from this thread.

It didn't strike me as controversial in the least.

Moderator?

doc2rn
June 22, 2009, 03:09 AM
For any who say there isnt any out there, just check gunbroker. It is being bought up and then resold at a substantial increase. I just got 200 for $20 per pad of CCI. No you cant reload it.

christcorp
June 23, 2009, 10:28 AM
I've seen 380 ammo available at a number of places in our town. I personally bought some at walmart for $15 a box of 50. The local gun shops have them here and there. I saw some this past weekend at one of the shops. Price is a little high; $25-$27 a box of 50. But it is available.

wnycollector
June 23, 2009, 11:13 AM
The shortage of reasonably priced ($12-15/50) .380 range ammo locally, has caused my to hold off buying a P3at or LCP until this fall:( The idea of a new pistol in the safe and not being able to shoot it is NOT appealing to me in the least!

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