WORST gunfights in movies


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Average Guy
January 16, 2003, 09:46 PM
This oughtta be a longer list than the "realistic" thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4189)...

Sure, CYF shoots about a thousand rounds from a pair of scrounged Tokarevs at the beginning of Hard-Boiled, but for sheer unrealism, I vote for Donnie Yen's Ballistic Kiss. The best thing going for this (admittedly obscure) HK flick--besides Annie Yen's tank top and shorts--is the title.

In my "least-favoritest" part, cool bad guy Yu Rong Guang whips a couple of big-azz revolvers out of his trenchcoat and proceeds to blast away for...EVER, with not a single reload in sight. Of course, that's only slightly less realistic than killing someone with a fluorescent tube, but only slightly.

Honorable mention to the climax of The Gauntlet, where all those cops stand around while Richard Widmark gets blasted at close range...

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RikWriter
January 16, 2003, 10:40 PM
It's hard to think of one...because they are so numerous that none stand out in my mind. Only the good ones stand out.
But I DO recall a B-movie ripoff of The Hunt for Red October called "Full Fathom Five." It starred the guy who used to be the DA on Law and Order...and it was so cheaply made that they didn't even use blank-firing guns: they used the fake spark guns. I mean these fake AKs were shooting out SPARKS! Oh my God, what a horrible movie. All the underwater scenes were stock footage and the whole story was putrid.

Justin
January 16, 2003, 10:52 PM
My vote for worst gunfight ever (and actually, worst movie ever made) goes to 'The Art of War.'
I could write a book on how positively godawful that movie was.

For worst gun-related movie ever, I have to mention 'The Trigger Effect.' Basically, there's a power outage, and the movie beats you over the head with the message that 'guns are bad' over and over and over again. It's a serious representation of what anti-rights people think about gun owners.

I know that the gunfights in Hard Boiled, or practically any other HK action flick are unrealistic, but they're just so cool

Rebeldon
January 16, 2003, 11:00 PM
As far not being realistic, the worst gunfight I have ever seen in a movie was in Harlem Nights. But it was the funniest gun fight I've ever seen.

Preacherman
January 16, 2003, 11:13 PM
My vote for the movie with the most (and the most consistently) bad gunfights has to go to "The Quick And The Dead", with Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman. Contrived, stupid, ridiculous gun-handling (remember when the "preacher" character - no relation to me!!! :fire: - played by Russell Crowe shoots a handgun over his shoulder, without looking back, to kill a BG on the roof of a building something like 50 yards away?). Overall, a truly ghastly movie for trained shooters to have to watch...

Mike Irwin
January 17, 2003, 12:22 AM
Just about any of the gun fights in a Charles Bronson movie, although Breakhart Pass was cool on so many other levels...

City Heat had some blatant stupidity moments...

I caught bits and pieces of Quick and the Dead on TV the other night.

Gene Hackman seeing the hole through the center of his chest because the light was shining through it was UNBELIEVABLY stupid!

Justin
January 17, 2003, 12:24 AM
You know, 'The Quick and the Dead' gets ragged on so hard around here that I'm going to have to go rent it, just to see what all the fuss is about.

sanchezero
January 17, 2003, 12:25 AM
I dunno. Off the top of my head, I vote for 3000 Miles To Graceland.

The gunfight on the highway with the trooper, Ice T's upside down whirlygig, and Costner killing a whole SWAT team that has him SURROUNDED without even changing directions.

:uhoh:

scottgun
January 17, 2003, 01:03 AM
'Last Man Standing' with Bruce Willis, the whole movie was a pretty much a shootout, done in typical Hollywood fashion. Every single person in the movie gets shot except Bruce, tiring to even watch.

clange
January 17, 2003, 01:06 AM
My vote for the movie with the most (and the most consistently) bad gunfights has to go to "The Quick And The Dead", with Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman. Contrived, stupid, ridiculous gun-handling (remember when the "preacher" character - no relation to me!!! - played by Russell Crowe shoots a handgun over his shoulder, without looking back, to kill a BG on the roof of a building something like 50 yards away?). Overall, a truly ghastly movie for trained shooters to have to watch...
Not to mention when hackman gets shot and the beam of light is showing through him. I'm pretty sure someone gets shot off their feet in that movie too.

DeputyVaughn
January 17, 2003, 01:21 AM
I'll agree with Scottgun. Last man Standing. Specificly the first gunfight Bruce is in where he quickdraws 2 1911's from shoulder holsters and empties about 40 rounds into a guy without reloading.

An interesting special effect for the movie though was in the final shootout scene where Bruce is shooting it out and both guns run out of ammo. You have to watch it in frame by frame to see it but he dumps his empty mags, slaps both guns into one hand pushes in two mags side by side into the frames, takes the guns into each hand and simultaniously drops the slides before going up the staircase to finish of the bad guy. Very cool reload.

Terrible remake of "Fistful of dollars".

Scott

Average Guy
January 17, 2003, 01:49 AM
I know that the gunfights in Hard Boiled, or practically any other HK action flick are unrealistic, but they're just so cool

Oh, yeah--I don't want to give the impression that I don't think Hard-Boiled is one of the coolest movies ever made, which I do and it is, but somehow that unrealism works in some movies and doesn't in others.

Isn't that vierd? :D

Nightcrawler
January 17, 2003, 02:01 AM
3,000 Miles to Graceland, definately. Of course, that movie was lame on so many other levels too....

Fed168
January 17, 2003, 03:48 AM
Any gunfight in an Andy Sidaris movie. But that's not why we watch them, I'm a big Erik Estrada fan.

4570Rick
January 17, 2003, 04:25 AM
The Quick and the Dead is purty dang bad, but have any of you guys seen They Call Me Trinity. Wheres the hold your nose smilie.
:uhoh:

New_comer
January 17, 2003, 04:53 AM
Off the top of my head:

Most stupid: Naked gun 2-1/2

But, it's supposed to be funny... :D

For unrealism: hmmm...

The last scene of Scarface,

But these are my choices...;)

Sean Smith
January 17, 2003, 12:43 PM
"Ballistic: Ecks vs Sever" has the worst action movie gunfights I've ever seen. They are huge, loud, but totally LAME. That sucked harder than any big-budget action movie I've ever seen, I think. For unrealism AND un-fun they win the prize.

John Woo action flicks work becuse they aim for total coolness, not realism on ANY level, and so are fun to watch. But it is a hard formula to pull off right; most pretenders (including some of Woo's own flicks) come off flat.

And "Hard Boiled" may be the best brainless firepower flick ever made. You've got to love the VARIETY of guns used, too... back in the day John didn't let himself get in a brand-name rut. :D

Oatka
January 17, 2003, 12:55 PM
A Mexican-made gangster movie - title mercifully forgotten. (I get a kick out of watching "B" movies, but this one was near the end of the alphabet.)

All the dialogue was in syc - dubbed in English, but when the guy shoots his Thompson, he shakes the gun - no cases flying out or muzzle flash - a second later you hear someone tapping on a drum - TAT-TAT-TAT.

Beer all over the place on that one.

HATE all those butane-flashed MG scenes where they fire for minutes at a time and not a shell casing is ever seen.

foghornl
January 17, 2003, 01:36 PM
Wife made me watch that inane "Charlies Angels" movie ..Barrymore, Liu, Diaz. Scene near the start, BG whips out what appears to be one of Georg Luger's "Pistole Parabellum '08's", and blazes away 35 times or so without installing a fresh 'clip' (HA!)
Not a movie scene, but in the old 'Rifleman' series, Chuck "Lucas McCain" Connors sets his tricked-out lever action on the bar, guy at end of bar slides bottle down bar, Lukey fires a shot, bottle gets smashed. Guy at end of bar doesn't get nicked, shoulda taken a 44-40 slug somewhere near COM. Somehow, I just don't think a half-full bottle of 'Ole Redeye' would stop a 44-40. :rolleyes:

KMKeller
January 17, 2003, 01:45 PM
I'm with Preacherman. The most ridiculous thing I think I saw was when Gene Hackman and Sharon Stone squared off at high noon, they both slapped leather and Sharon Stone was hit. Gene Hackman was looking rather smug until he looked down at the ground and saw a .45 caliber spot of sunlight in his shadow... at noon? I'd love the see the angle she'd have to shoot him from to get that trajectory. Further, doesn't flesh and gut have a tendency to close after a bullet has passed on through?

Brad Johnson
January 17, 2003, 01:51 PM
In one of Steven Seagal's movies (I think it was "Out for Justice") there is a long gunfight where he is shooting a Glock and very obviously pulling the trigger for each shot (semi-auto). The problem is that the sound-effects mix has him firing FULL AUTO! There was one uninterrupted part of the scene where the sound-effects mix had him firing several dozen full auto rounds from a standard size Glock mag.

:rolleyes:

Brad

ceestand
January 17, 2003, 01:58 PM
I have to put a word in for an animated series (and movie) that we all probably know and love. G.I. JOE. I mean come on! Two sides battling it out with guns, thousands of rounds a minute, and not one person hit! Same goes for the A-Team.

For a regular movie? How about the final "gunfight" between Deniro and Pacino in Heat? Al's character was soooo dead.

bogie
January 17, 2003, 02:05 PM
Is it "I'm Gonna Get You Sucka" that has a most ubertactical loadout in it?

Nightcrawler
January 17, 2003, 02:14 PM
Further, doesn't flesh and gut have a tendency to close after a bullet has passed on through?

Maybe if you shot somebody with a 40mm grenade, but replaced the grenade tip with a gigantic hollowpoint round, then maybe you'd see daylight through the wound.

Anything less than that, and it's just stupid.

As for the A-Team, I think that was meant more to be a family and kids show. Not something that lends itself to hoards of badguys getting mowed down.

cratz2
January 17, 2003, 02:19 PM
Yeah, Last Man Standing was the first one that came to mind when I read the question but I still like the movie.

And on The Quick and The Dead, it wasn't about realism, it was Raimi's modernization of the martial arts genre in a western setting. It's supposed to be completely over the top. Not nearly as offensive (to me at least) as movies that try to take themselves seriously and fail miserably. Actually I'm quite fond of the movie. Pretty much a Sharon Stone ego trip but watchable.

And I don't have anything personally against Wesley Snipes but in general, his gun related movie stuff is pretty horrible. Art of War, Murder at 1600, US Marshalls, the two Blade movies, Demolition Man...

Keith
January 17, 2003, 03:08 PM
I think Last Man Standing is the best movie Bruce Willis ever made, even if you can't actually levitate bad guys into the air with a pair of Colt Gubmints!

Keith

shermacman
January 17, 2003, 04:10 PM
The worst: Swordfish. John Travolta standing up in a moving car with some kind of cute toy, maybe Tec-9's, one in each hand blazing away. He must fire off 10,000 rounds without reloading, no recoil, never looses his balance. :p My favorite scene is Charlie Sheen in Hot Shots sinking his boat with spent caseings as he fires off a million rounds. That whole movie makes my laugh till I cry and I have seen it a dozen times...Pitiful life, ain't it?:D

wingnutx
January 17, 2003, 05:20 PM
"The Quick and the Dead" is dumb and entertaining. It's not supposed to be realistic in the first place. To put it in context, Director Sam Raimi is the guy who made live-action cartoons like "The Evil Dead II", "Army of Darkness", and "Xena". It's just supposed to be amusing mayhem, logic be damned.

BTW, "Evil Dead II" has the best fight scene ever filmed that only involves one combatant.

Jrob24
January 17, 2003, 08:09 PM
In the movie Cobra, towards the end Stallone kills 30 BG's without missing a shot. :scrutiny:

Dr.Rob
January 17, 2003, 10:46 PM
Yeah the ending of Heat was contrived. Very much so, though the rest of the movie was great.

Worst ever? I'm thinking King Solomon's Mines (with Sharon Stone and Richard Chamberlain) or just about every western where the guy shoots form the hip to hill the guy in the clocktower that invariably falls forward , through the inexplicably rickety railing to sawn dive into a horse trough.

There are so many that are bad, it's far easier to count the good ones.

45King
January 18, 2003, 08:04 AM
ceestand wrote:Two sides battling it out with guns, thousands of rounds a minute, and not one person hit! Same goes for the A-Team.

Some years ago, I came across a newspaper article about a gunfight between a drug gang and Egyptian police/military. There were approximately 2500 "members of the service" against about 1000 druggies, and both sides had automatic weapons. The firefight lasted over 8 hours. Over ten thousand rounds of ammo were expended.

No one was hurt! :what:

(I don't know whether to laugh or cry.)

GSB
January 22, 2003, 10:21 PM
I must be very weird because I like The Quick and the Dead and Last Man Standing. Both are such over-the-top homages to their respective genre archetypes, done clearly with a wink and a nod, that I can't help but find enjoyment in them.

ReadyontheRight
January 23, 2003, 11:50 AM
'The Trigger Effect.' Basically, there's a power outage, and the movie beats you over the head with the message that 'guns are bad' over and over and over again.

Kind of funny. My wife and I saw that years ago and we both took from it that "guns are good".

I think it helped both her and I realize how quickly our society could break down. Just imagine loss of electricity, t.v., radio and phone lines for more than a few hours in a big city.

From what I recall, pretty stupid people doing some pretty stupid gun handling though.

Viking6
January 23, 2003, 11:59 AM
Was it "Face Off" with Travolta and Cage? They are running parallel to each other blasting away at each other through a long glass wall or screen or something.

hksw
January 23, 2003, 12:12 PM
IMO, all of those Commando/Rambo/Braddock-type one man with a machinegun vs. 25/50/100/200 enemy solidiers and comes out on top gunfirghts.

Blain
January 23, 2003, 12:31 PM
I can't believe no one here has mentioned "COMMANDO" with Arnold Swartzinagger! Where he goes to an Island populated with 300-400 badguys and mows them all down single handedly using a combination of an M60, M16, Shotgun, 1911, and a variety of garden tools (when he enters the shed)!

It's a great popcorn movie but has no realism whatsoever.

ddc
January 23, 2003, 01:42 PM
How about Antonio Banderas in "Desperado"?

There must have been 3 or 4 gunfights in that movie that were totally Hollywood.

How about the two brothers with the full-auto guitar cases or the bar scene earlier in the movie where he keeps going back to his suitcase for reloads and more guns....

Joe Demko
January 23, 2003, 01:59 PM
I can't believe no one here has mentioned "COMMANDO" with Arnold Swartzinagger!

I beg your pardon! When that grittily realistic portayal of spec-ops type action came out, no less a professional journal of high speed/low drag operators than "Soldier of Fortune" did a cover article on it. Now, everybody knows that if SOF covers it, that it's no BS.

bogie
January 23, 2003, 02:07 PM
Gotta love Jesse and the minigun...

Then there's the Starship Troopers dealie - you've got an advanced military, but no big ol' crew served weapons to counter the waves of bugs?

In John Woo movies, I always gotta look for the flying pigeons/doves/whatever...

fiVe
January 23, 2003, 02:45 PM
The most ridiculous thing I think I saw was when Gene Hackman and Sharon Stone squared off at high noon, they both slapped leather and Sharon Stone was hit. Gene Hackman was looking rather smug until he looked down at the ground and saw a .45 caliber spot of sunlight in his shadow... at noon?


I thought that scene occurred at dawn as the final gunfight was supposed to be Hackman vs. Crowe.

:confused:

spacemanspiff
January 23, 2003, 03:25 PM
3000 Miles to Graceland

both the casino shootout and the end battle between the elvis prodigy and the swat team. the guy hanging upside down (was that Ice-T?) with a full auto in each hand twirling around spraying everyone.

Dave R
January 23, 2003, 03:29 PM
The A-Team certainly makes the list. Their gun fights featured hundreds of rounds being fired, and no one ever got hit during the entire series!

But they were using Mini-14's, so maybe its not that unrealistic....(jk!).

I always said that show had "non-violent violence".

NewShooter78
January 23, 2003, 04:02 PM
Hey! I like Commando. And at least in Desperado Antoni B. is always running out of ammo and needing to reload. Not the guitar cases, that's another story. No one has mentioned Die Hard yet, so I guess I'll throw that in for pretty bad gunfights. And I've come to associate certain actors to bad gun handling/shootouts in movies: Russle Crowe (better with swords in hand), Mel Gibson (again better with swords in hand except for We Were Soldiers), and last Bruce Willis. Some would say that Arnold should be on that list too, but he's ARNOLD! Anyone care to add to that list?

But we all have to remember that if gunfights in movies were portrayed how they would really happen, then no one would go and see movies like that.

Johnpl
January 23, 2003, 04:17 PM
"The Gauntlet"...forgive me Clint. As Eastwood is driving the bus thru downtown Phoenix with SWAT- types all over firing from both sides of the street, I can't help but think there just may be some friendly fire casualties. Talk about a dangerous crossfire:uhoh:

Eamonn Wright
January 23, 2003, 04:53 PM
I love it in Commando when Arnold is firing the M203 and bg's are flying through the air. You can actually see the spring boards the bg's are getting launched from!

moa
January 23, 2003, 06:47 PM
Heck, even the great movies screw it up.

Was just watching the classic Western "Highnoon" starring Gary Cooper. Excellent story, actors, direction and action. But the big gun fight at end was sort of unrealistic because everybody who got shot (except Cooper) dies instantaneously.

Of course, the movie was made in 1952, and apparenlty directors were not much into realistic violence back then.

However, the movies was partially realistic because it showed Cooper and the bad guys actually reloading their six guns during the shootout.

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