College students with CCW or those not allowed to carry at work.


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synoptic
October 7, 2003, 01:47 PM
For those of you who can't carry during the main part of your day, either because you're a student or your job won't allow you to, what do you do with your pistol? Do you lock it in the car so you have it if you go anywhere after class/work? Or do you leave it at home and just do without if you decide to go somewhere between class and home? And I realize concealed is concealed, but I work on campus as well and my work is not condusive to keeping a pistol concealed. (I'm a computer/network/electrical technician in a building that trains police officers, chiefs, US marshals, etc... and I am crawling around on the floor alot chasing cables and such). I'm just curious to see what everyone else does. As soon as my holster comes in I am going to have to make a decision for myself...

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mtnbkr
October 7, 2003, 01:51 PM
I don't carry at work, I don't carry to/from work unless I know I'm going somewhere other that to/from the office. Simply having the gun in the car is a liability because I have to go into DC or places where the contents of my car are checked. It's too much uncertainty and risk.


Chris

Kcustom45
October 7, 2003, 02:17 PM
I believe that IUPUI has a place where you can have you gun locked up for you while you are in class. I do know that if you are caught with a gun in school they can kick you out. If you choose to carry or not would be up to you, but be aware of the risks.

When I go to work I have to leave my gun at home, because I don't want someone to break into my truck and find my gun. I do, however, ALWAYS have a knife on me so that I am not completely defenseless.

Flashpoint
October 7, 2003, 02:34 PM
I usually just leave mine at home, because I go to school I go home and go to sleep and repeat. There has been a few times when I knew I was going to be working late in the computer lab on projects and took my pistol with me. If I ever have to leave mine in the Jeep and I'm worried about a break in I take the barrel and spring with me.

BTW I think the laws against carring on college campus are ludicrus.

*edited for very bad typoes :(

DMK
October 7, 2003, 02:53 PM
In NC, it's a felony to leave the gun in the car if you park on campus property. Park off campus or leave it at home.
I have to leave it at home, relying instead on my wits, pocket knife, taclight and OC for self defense. :cuss:

That's NC state law, you might want to check TX law carefully.

MeatWagon
October 7, 2003, 04:18 PM
Conceal it when needed.

AUTIGER04
October 7, 2003, 04:20 PM
Im not allowed to carry at work. But, I just keep my mouth shut and carry my Kel Tec P32 at All Times.:D

The Undertoad
October 7, 2003, 04:46 PM
It's not illegal to carry at my school, but it's against policy...it could get you kicked out of school. :( And there were several armed robberies and muggings on campus last year, as well as a drive-by in the town. But god forbid we defend ourselves...You know what they tell the girls? "Don't carry a weapon because it will be used against you. Here, have this nice whistle to blow in case you're being raped." :banghead: Not only that, but the whistles don't even work very well. A friend hypothesized that maybe a potential rapist came up with this plan? :rolleyes: :barf:

synoptic
October 7, 2003, 04:54 PM
Thanks for all the replies

BTW I think the laws against carring on college campus in ludiicrus.
I agree, there are LOTS of attacks on college campuses, making them a fairly dangerous place at night time.
We can keep our guns in our cars in texas, parking lots and driveways do not count as the premises and are only illegal if there is a 30.06 sign posted at the lot. I'll probably end up just leaving the gun at home when it is time for school unless I know I am going to be leaving straight from the campus to go somewhere. Luckily I live in a fairly safe town, but I've found that the times you think you'll need it the least is when you'll probably need it the most.

Aikibiker
October 7, 2003, 08:27 PM
I generally leave mine at home and just carry my Florida school legal "common ordinary pocket knife" a Spyderco Police model. That's because I ride a motorcycle to class and don't have a secure place to leave my gun while in class.

On the rare occasion I get a ride from my Mom (rain or extreme cold) I leave my pistol and spare ammunition under the seat in the holster then put it on as soon as I get back in the car. This is legal in my state.

I agree with everyone prohibition of CCW on college campuses is dumb.

Chairman Meow
October 7, 2003, 09:24 PM
I work in a federal building but I'm not sure if I can carry or not. The building is leased to the government and there are no signs posted, but I am a little hesitant to go around asking. I commute at least once a day to the University of Utah where concealed carry has been a big issue on campus recently. I am not exactly sure what the policies are at either place, but I am looking into a serious lock box for my truck so that I can choose when to carry and when not to and still feel safe about leaving my gun in the car. I recently purchased a S+W 442 for carrying when my super stylin jeans won't accomodate my full size double stack 1911. :cool: I am thinking that one of those Thunderwear systems would conceal that to a point that nobody would ever notice it, wallowing around under a desk fishing for a network cable or otherwise. Then again if I had to use it the legality would come rushing back real quick.

* I'm picturing myself dragging a "neutralized threat" just to the edge of campus...*

- CM

P.S. - Damn its good to see other college students that are aware firearms people!

Zach S
October 7, 2003, 09:41 PM
I leave mine at home.

Moparmike
October 7, 2003, 09:51 PM
Felony in the state of AR on any school property. I could leave it in my car in a pistol safe (alarm on car), but I probably wouldnt like it.

Standing Wolf
October 8, 2003, 12:57 AM
Jobs are easier to replace than lives.

Skunkabilly
October 8, 2003, 01:28 AM
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Moparmike
October 8, 2003, 01:33 AM
Do you have a link to that, oh Wise Master of All Things Tactical?:)

sm
October 8, 2003, 02:46 AM
Jobs are easier to replace than lives.

Felony in the state of AR on any school property

You know, its actually a shorter distance to walk from non-campus property , and if one had a good quality lockable gun safe that nobody knew about...one can always change schools if.random vehicles occur, that in itself opens a whole new can of worms...well Like I told a certain young lady when safe installed in her vehicle..."you and I know, that is the way it will stay"."Improvise, Adapt, Overcome...and keep your mouth shut".
We often walk each other to respective vehicles after night class...on same lot ;)

Single mom of two has a right to defend herself in commute to/ from school/work...be a shame to have a flat on the freeway at 10:00 pm huh...come to think of it, I wouldn't like it for myself either.

Improvise, Adapt, Overcome. Responsibility to oneself.

Cortland
October 8, 2003, 02:49 AM
Well now, that's an interesting question!

Here in Virginia our CCW law only prohibits carrying on "public, private, or parochial elementary, middle, and high schools." It makes no mention of college campuses. The one exception to this is Virginia Commonwealth University, for which a ban on firearms on campus appears in the Virginia Administrative Code (though not the Code of Virginia, so there's some legal fuzziness here). ANYWAY, the public university I attend completely prohibits all firearms, ammunition, etc. on campus. Thankfully in Virginia our Governor (a Democrat even) recently signed CCW preemption legislation which prohibits cities, counties, and *authorities* from banning the carrying of concealed weapons in areas not specifically prohibited by the state's carry law (and also preempts all existing rules and ordinances). So, in short, this means that no university (except *maybe* VCU) can prohibit firearms on campus if they are possessed in accordance with commonwealth CCW legislation.

HOWEVER, after writing the President of my university I am told that they "stand by their statutory authority to regulate student conduct." After informing them that they cannot violate state law in doing so, I am told that they "stand by their statutory authority to regulate student conduct." Yeah ... whatever.

The point is I carry, but do so discretely. The .45s stay at home in favor of a more highly concealable .380 or the like. So while carrying is legal in my case, being "caught" (not the right word, I know) by the administration would be a big enough pain in the arse that I do so only very carefully.

Chairman Meow
October 8, 2003, 03:07 AM
Do you have a link to that, oh Wise Master of All Things Tactical?


http://www.thewilderness.com


The page is not loading for me at the moment, but that is the right URL...

zahc
October 8, 2003, 11:49 AM
We can't even keep guns in our cars here. *full range of angry smileys*

cordex
October 8, 2003, 12:07 PM
If I leave it in my car, I've got a small pistol safe hidden in there. Still working on a way on anchoring it.

SouthpawShootr
October 8, 2003, 01:10 PM
I've had a CCW permit for 8 years. I've never carried at work and my employer forbids it. I work in scrubs anyway, so it would be kind of hard to do. They don't want any guns on the property, including the parking lots. Security is a joke, so I'm reluctant to leave anything of value in my vehicle. Street parking is available. I've installed a safe in the back of my SUV for instances where I'm going someplace that doesn't allow weapons. Get something you can bolt or chain down and you'll be fine. Don't just stick it in your glove compartment or under the seat.

Kevinch
October 8, 2003, 02:12 PM
I work in a small manufacturing facility in a rural area that is part of a much larger company, and in turn our company is owned by a giant company with revenues in the 10s of billions.

Our corporate policy is no "weapons or explosives on company property", and breaking policy "may subject the employee to disciplinary action, up to and including discharge."

That said, the management at this site is pro-gun. However, there are some employees who are anti-gun, & if anyone picked up on me when I was carrying & took it to corporate HR, it could very well mean my job - I'd have a tough time keeping from getting fired.

Our parking lot is secure - the front bumper of my car is 7 feet from the office window. I'll usually have a Mak in the glove box & keep it there for travelling back & forth.

I have a good job, & don't want to lose it. I've weighed the risks & decided to accomondate policy (even though, technically, in the lot is company property)- but that's a personal choice.

mec
October 8, 2003, 02:54 PM
Retired from a State agency with a no weapons policy. Carried anyway. Thankfully, I never had to reveal the thing by using it.

The work rules had a proviso that " not all rules are applicable under all circumstances which seemed to say that the agency had full discression and could inforce a rule arbitrarily. So, i arbitrarily violated the one about guns.

Okiecruffler
October 8, 2003, 05:05 PM
As far as anyone knows, I would never carry at work. Besides, it would just get in the way of my fanny pack.

Mastrogiacomo
October 8, 2003, 05:17 PM
Places you can't carry: Schools, school property, Federal buildings, hospitals, court houses, post offices and buildings that say employees can't carry. I have a Class A but unless I'm working, I can't carry. Really stinks...:( I'd NEVER leave a gun in the car -- that's Sean Penn stupid in my book, I'd also never carry it in my pursue. I'd be on me or at home.

incursion
October 8, 2003, 05:59 PM
I just leave it in my apt. We can carry on campus, but we can't go into any buildings.

D Hags
October 8, 2003, 06:07 PM
Corporate policy forbids any guns on company property, including parking lots. As it is a company owned vehicle I drive, they have free access to it at all times. It belongs to them! Can't carry. Loads of good this CCW does me.

Ringer
October 8, 2003, 08:25 PM
My company's policy restricts weapons of any kind. Not only on property but on person while on company time. See'n as I pass through some "interesting" areas in the Detroit area during work I would never break company policy, honest.

CleverNickname
October 8, 2003, 09:00 PM
No written corporate weapons policy that I've found, in the building I work in. I have a feeling management probably wouldn't approve, because another company-owned site I go to occasionally has a psuedo-30.06 sign. I say "pseudo" because it doesn't conform to the law (lettering is too small, and it's only in English.) I take the position that what they don't know won't hurt them. Although, even if they did know, it still wouldn't hurt them. ;)

444
October 8, 2003, 09:06 PM
I leave it at home.

I carry an axe at work.

DMK
October 9, 2003, 12:18 AM
Jobs are easier to replace than lives. Food, warmth, clothing and means of protection all cost money. Losing a job in some areas, and this economy can be a pretty catastophic event.

One can never pick the time and place when violence may strike, but sometimes one must weigh the odds of violence vs. the odds of losing their job. Everything in life is a gamble.

Skunkabilly
October 9, 2003, 01:54 AM
Once in a while circumstances will cause us to be UNDERarmed, but it's our mindset that keeps us from being UNARMED.

I'd like to have a gun with me at work but I instead I carry two knives.

When I'm out painting the town and wish I had my Benelli and friends with long guns, but can only have a pistol, spare mags and a knife.

It's easy for us to tell you to break policy and break the law but is it worth having your record follow you for the rest of your life? While I'm sure your conscience would bother you if someone stole YOUR gun from YOUR car and it became everybody's problem, if the Powers That Be were really concerned about that happening, they shouldn't be forcing you to leave it in your car instead of carrying it. I say, carry while you drive since it'll be nice to have it when you're getting gas or groceries on the way home. Leave it in the car when you're at class and work, tuck a serious combat knife away DISCREETLY and take as many classes as you can with it! It's seriously fun and you won't feel as underarmed.

The Undertoad
October 9, 2003, 02:14 AM
Skunk - That's pretty much my current solution. Either of the following work wonderfully...(note they are not to scale with one another)

:cool:

synoptic
October 9, 2003, 02:35 AM
I carry my Benchmade with about a 4" blade on me now, though not exactly discreetly. It's not that I feel unsafe on campus, when I used to live directly across the street from school I'd take a cigar and walk the campus at any time of night I needed to get away. Our campus and town are fairly safe. I'll probably take the gun and leave it in the car when I can forsee having to run errands and such, but other wise leaving it at home since I live at most 3 minutes away. I have increasingly found myself wishing I had it at night when entering or leaving Walmart or Krogers though. Seems to be a lot more shady characters around lately. unfortunately I haven't got a safe way to carry until my holster comes in, which is only about a week and a half now. Man I can't wait to get it in, my Steyr will be sooo happy :D

FSCJedi
October 9, 2003, 04:10 AM
First thing I did when I came to college was walk straight up to my Campus Police station and ask to speak to the chief. I politely as I knew how I told him that I reciently got my CWL, liked to keep up on my marksmanship, knew there were ranges in the area, and was wondering what options I had concerning keeping my pistols on campus. He told me that if I kept 'em locked in the trunk of my car and only took 'em out when I was leaving campus, that I'd be just fine. Found out later that I can even carry open on campus (haven't yet had the guts to do such, however).

zahc
October 9, 2003, 12:28 PM
Why not? If I could I would.

Deep Blue
October 9, 2003, 01:30 PM
I'm in a bit of a pickle with regards to the whole carrying at school thing. In November I'm going on a field trip in my Geology class. Its on a Saturday, so its not a school day. The site is not a State Park/public property, its a streambed on a section of private property. So, technically I should be able to carry, but to get there all 10 of us get to take the university van, which is, technically, university property. So even if I'm legal at the site, I don't think I'm legal going to the site. Then theres the fact that its a school trip anyway, although its not manditory.

I just hate to go out in the middle of nowhere with no protection. I already know from someone who went there earlier this year that he ran into some large dogs, so currently I'm playing the risk vs. gain game with myself.

Wedge
October 9, 2003, 02:03 PM
Deep Blue, I would drive myself in that situation. If you don't have a car but you have a friend in the class (or just a friend that wants to learn about geology) that knows you pack drive you. There is no sense being uncomfortable about being unarmed so get there yourself and be armed.

BowStreetRunner
October 9, 2003, 10:35 PM
i live in GA and when i get my permit in i doubt ill be able to carry except when i go home from school and then go out
guns are verboten within 1000 ft of a school or university (:uhoh: )
unless you have it for a "lawful purpose"
now i could park off campus, the building i get schooled at is located in a very nice neighborhood and i could get a lock box for my car.......
however, after a few weeks of law school im convinced any prosecutor with a bone to pick could construe "lawful purpose" anyway he wanted too
any of GA students or citizens have an outlook on the GA laws pertaining to schools?
BSR

c_yeager
October 10, 2003, 07:28 AM
There is a BIG difference between a school dissalowing weapons and it being against the law. This varies greatly from state to state so check your rules to be sure. But, in Washington it is NOT illeagal to carry on a college campus and there is no legally binding signage provision. ("no weapons signs" only reflect the desire of the property owner but are not legally enforeable). Of course the policies of virtually every institution that i am familier with forbids the carry of weapons.

What this amounts to is that if im caught carrying a weapon against the policy of my university the worse that can happen to me is expulsion. And while that is pretty bad its a lot better than commiting an actual crime. And its a risk i am willing to take.

lissell
October 12, 2003, 07:48 PM
Im going to be applying for my CHL soon and just went over the counties FAQ (Washington County, Oregon) and it had this to say:

Oregon Law states: Possession of a Concealed Handgun License does not authorize you to carry a firearm on any of the following properties: Any Federal facility. (i.e. Federal Court House, Post Office, Social Security Office, in airports, and on airplanes). This does not prohibit the carrying of firearms on federal lands, other than designated wilderness areas, incident to hunting or other lawful purposes. National Forests marked or posted by signs prohibiting all firearms. You may not carry a firearm concealed while upon an Indian Reservation/Indian property without the written permission of the tribal judge. This may also apply to certain casinos that are on the Indian lands. In a courtroom, jury room, judge’s chambers or the areas adjacent thereto that the presiding judge determines should be free of firearms to ensure the safety of the litigants, court personnel, witnesses and others. Any private business or private facility where a condition of being on the premises or facility is that you not possess a firearm. If you are apprehended with a gun on any of these premises, your concealed handgun license will be seized and revoked.

In short you can carry anywhere but a federally controlled building or piece of land and Indian Reservations are there own jurisdictions. If you have a CHL you can carry at school, you can carry at your childe's school and you can carry at work. The ONLY legal way to stop you(as i have been led to understand) is by posting clearly that no one is allowed to carry a firearm on the premises. I know this is an issue just waiting to be enforced as many companies in Oregon (Including a number of 24 hour convenience stores !!!!) prohibit employees from carying weapons yet do not post signs prohibiting customers from carrying.

It would probably be worth your while to look up the statutes in your own state, your employer may be violating state law and simply not know it. One of my previouse employers was unaware that the restriction was illegal, they employee handbook was created from a sort of template and it hadnt occured to managment to have the thing checked out.

Oh, this is my first post to the board; Hi Everyone!


lissell

culleniii
October 13, 2003, 05:11 PM
In regards to me--I went to school in NJ an NY and CCW wasnt honored and all the jobs I have had didnt allow me to carry.

That said--I carried almost every day of my collegiate career and every day of work. I use ankle holster, pocket holster and IWB rig.

All the years of school and working--5 in college and 8 working--I have only let one person know--my best friend and roomie in college.

Plus also carry 2 knives, baton, and pepper spray.

extremefishin00
October 13, 2003, 09:26 PM
I'm one of those unfortunate individuals that attends Virginia Commonwealth University. As another poster pointed out, VCU is mentioned specifically in the Virginia statutes, so no way of getting around that. So I'm stuck carrying a small knife with a 3 in. or less blade.

Chris

clubsoda22
October 14, 2003, 04:20 AM
i can't carry yet because i'm not 21, but when i turn 21 you better believe i will. On campus last week there were 3 armed robberies. Muggings are a fact of life. There are no laws prohibiting from carrying on college campuses, however, the college does have its own policies, which are not favorable to self defence. I currently carry fox labs pepper spray and and would be in trouble if i was caught with it. My defence? I work in the surrounding meighborhoods as an EMT--They can go into a crackhouse for an overdose without pepper spray! I wear body armor at work for heavens sake! I am currently founding a student rifle and pistol club as well as a student run commission on public safety. We plan to get rape prevention groups to protest on campus against these pro-rape, pro-mugging, pro-crime policies.

synoptic
October 14, 2003, 11:13 AM
We plan to get rape prevention groups to protest on campus against these pro-rape, pro-mugging, pro-crime policies.

Interesting idea... There is a large campaign right now by the rape prevention groups, at least in my part of Texas. Flyers and ads everywhere as well as commercial. Unfortunately it's law here, not just campus policy, so I have a feeling our battle would be a bit harder, especially since we can't seem to keep the democrats in the capital whenever a peice of legislation arises that they don't like. An organization who's goal is rape prevention may get a lot of people listening who otherwise wouldn't seeing as most everyone is against rape...

mtnbkr
October 14, 2003, 11:30 AM
Hey Extremefishin00, you the same EF00 over at Bladeforums too?

Chris

extremefishin00
October 14, 2003, 01:09 PM
Heya mtnbkr,

Yep, I'm the one and the same.

Chris

caz223
October 14, 2003, 01:10 PM
I, too work in a rural manufacturing facility, which is part of an international non-gun friendly corporation.
Can't keep weapons in vehicles, can't even have knives unless you have a certain job classification. (Hazard suit, fall protection harness, freezer operator (-45 degrees), etc.)
I carry a big knife on the way in and a smaller knife with a small built-in flashlight while at work.
Job is rural, I drive 4 miles one way, and my times at risk are 10:00 PM and 6:30 am.
Don't really need to carry unless I have errands to run.

Fatcat
October 17, 2003, 02:37 AM
Heheh.. here at Oregon State, the mere thought of carrying a gun on campus gets you arrested. We have a pistol/rifle team, but you have to go across town to their little range; and AFAIK there is no storage space there. So I'm stuck with my knife for the moment (heck, it's probably illegal too.. they just haven't seen it yet.. :rolleyes: ).

The fact that we have a nuclear reactor here on campus doesn't help things, because of all the terrorism BS.

Doesn't mean I won't follow the "keep your mouth shut" rule about things when I get my CCW. :scrutiny:

obiwan1
October 17, 2003, 02:28 PM
During my college years I kept my PPK in my dorm room (NO ONE knew) and carried it occasionally (NO ONE knew).

During my non LEO years, my duty uniforms were suits or sport clothes/jackets. That same PPK was my constant companion in a Thad Rybka pocket holster. Later it rotated with a J frame and finally (and still occasionally) a Kel Tec P11.

Concealed means CONCEALED. No one knows!:scrutiny: Even if you must use a mouse gun.

Andrew Rothman
October 17, 2003, 07:40 PM
I would NEVER advocate disobeying an employer policy, but...

A SmartCarry/ThunderWear holster offers superb concealment, even when crawling around on the floor, doing jumping jacks, or doing The Hustle.

I have a Home Depot steel toolbox in my trunk. It has a large padlock and a chain that runs through a tie-down lug in the trunk.

It's pretty secure. I was so proud of myself for putting it together.

And I've never used it. :) Love that SmartCarry.

Matt

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