Walther PPK/S-1 Rifling


March 15, 2009, 11:26 PM
Today I bought a new Walther PPK/S 380. At home after reading the documentation and doing a cleaning and inspection, I looked down the barrel and didn't see any rifling. According to the speciications the rifling is 6 groves RH. I know my eyes are not what they used to be but I expected to see lands and grooves. Part of me is wondering could this barrel have missed the reaming process? I found out about the recall regarding the decock safety. I'm hoping somone can give me some feedback. If nothing else I'll add a note when I send the weapon back for the recall.

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March 15, 2009, 11:39 PM
I've never seen a Walther .380 or .32 that you couldn't see the rifling in clearly...as well as feel them if you twist your fingernail in the end of the barrel. But you said, "new"...there's no telling with the new owners what surprises they may come up with. I doubt they would switch to polygonal rifling without advertising it.

Steve C
March 16, 2009, 01:13 AM
I was in a gun shop years ago where the owner told me he'd just had to return a S&W M66 that a customer had returned because of poor accuracy. He said when he checked the barrel it hadn't been rifled at the factory and was completely smooth.

Needles to say he called S&W and they said to send it back and they'd "fix" it. Occasionally one will escape all the proceedures and QA checks.

March 16, 2009, 09:08 AM
I'd take it back to the shop you bought it from and show them. Don't shoot it.

The only "smoothbore" pistol I've ever seen is the CZ82 polygonal. You have to really look to see the twist in some of them, but all my Walthers have very evident rifling.

March 16, 2009, 12:04 PM
The appearance down the bore was smooth. I did a serious doubletake thinking this thing wouldn't hit the "side of a barn". I didn't see any evidance of polygonal rifling but not having had any other pistol by Walther or anything with a barrel this short I wanted someone elses input. I don't plan on firing the pistol but I'll probably take some internal measurements out of cuiosity while I'm getting factory input.

March 16, 2009, 04:04 PM
With the recall and this possible problem I would return . I can't belive a dealer would sell a pistol that on a total recall in progress . Think I would shop else where.
I have a old interarms PPK/s you can see the rifleing and their not on recall.

March 16, 2009, 09:53 PM
Something is rotten there for sure. By all means contact the folks at Walther America (essentially S&W's customer service people) and let them know what's going on. Here's a link to their customer support website:


Hope you don't get caught in the middle of the recall on all S&W-made PPK and PPK/S models. The waiting period is a long one.

JB Books
March 16, 2009, 11:44 PM
Buy a German made PPK or PPK/S or, failing that, buy an Interarms model.

March 20, 2009, 09:35 AM
To continue the tale; the unrifled barrel measures 0.3405 - 0.3410 inches diameter. There are high and low areas.

S&W has replied with a couple of emails. Neither expressed any surprise. One said to attach a note when returning for the recall. The other stated the weapon would be closely looked at.

The expected turn around for the recall is 8 to 12 weeks. I guess that isn't too bad considering it's probably faster than getting reloading components nowadays.

March 20, 2009, 09:42 PM
Don't listen to those guys trashing the S&W version of the Walthers. Plenty of guys have them and they work great. For some reason the "new guy" is always the least liked or welcome in anything, S&W Walthers being no exception. I've read plenty of posts where guys are trashing their Interams Walthers as well. I had one too, didn't care for it. This barrel problem is surprising, but something like this could easily happen in todays world of automated machinery. Send it back, S&W will take care of you.

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