Stockpiling Ammo


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gbw
March 17, 2009, 10:37 AM
I think I'm seeing a lot of folks buying / stockpiling ammunition lately, in really large amounts.

Just an opinion, of course. I understand keeping enough around to keep shooting for a month or two - until there is time to buy or reload more.

Beyond that, maybe a couple of hunderd rounds. But if what I'm seeing is correct folks are accumulating many many thousands of rounds.

This is very expensive.

Why do you stockpile ammo?

I can think of 2 answers that sort of make sense:


To hedge against future price increases. OK, but given the huge runup in costs lately that strategy may no longer be economically sensible, if it ever was.


Expected future need v. future unavailability. Given the political and economic landscape this may be a reason. But I don't get the huge quantities - is this so one can keep shooting for sport or pleasure? Or for some other reason? (I have seen a couple of times reference to SHTF, but I can't think of any sceneario where large quanities of ammo would be of much value. If one is apprehensive enough then a case might be made for storing medicines, food, fuel, spare parts and the like, but why large amounts of ammo? Perhaps I'm missing something).


Anyhow, just curious about it.

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ThrottleJockey
March 17, 2009, 10:40 AM
Ever wonder how much ammo a revolution takes?

AllAmerican
March 17, 2009, 10:43 AM
Yeah, what the ThrottleJockey said.

gbw
March 17, 2009, 10:45 AM
Yes, that did occur to me. But it's unrealistic, a Walter Mitty dream. I mean this very respectfully, because I am curious about how folks are thinking these days. Unless you are quite wealthy, it takes far more than you would have any hope of buying and keeping around, presuming you ever had a circumstance where you could actually to use it. That seems to me very doubtful.

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 17, 2009, 10:54 AM
Ever wonder how much ammo a revolution takes?
None, actually. It's just that it is much easier to pile up ammo then actually getting involved and making a difference. Let's nip this revolution nonsense in the bud. This sort of chest-thumping on the internet does nothing for the for RKBA movement or the mission of THR.

kirklandkie
March 17, 2009, 10:55 AM
I am kind of guilty of stockpiling but not like some of these other nuts are doing.... i have an ar 15 and got an amazing deal on 1000 rounds of 5.56mm (210.00 bucks :D). so you might say i'm stockpiling yes
oh and i already had 150 shotgun shells before any of this nonsense, bought those well before we knew obama was a candidate (had gift card to cabelas).
then the typical 300 or so .22's i have
that covers all of my edges, though i am running low on .22's. but i shoot 100 of those in a range visit at a bare minimum

-kirk

gbw
March 17, 2009, 10:58 AM
Hi KirkLandkie: You're really not the guy I'm asking about. Good deals justify themselves, and I'd jump on one too. But at the last gunshow I attended, I saw folks literally buying multiple cases of thousands of rounds. And they were not good deals at all - at least not in recent historical pricing.

Mr. Moderator: If this is too out-of-bounds for the forum, lock or delete, my apologies.

TimRB
March 17, 2009, 11:02 AM
I just wish people would slow down a bit. I haven't been able to find any powder, primers, brass, or boolits for months.

Tim

azhunter122
March 17, 2009, 11:07 AM
I didn't really stockpile but I have about 5,000 rounds on hand right now and about 600 rounds of .22 LR with no .22! lol. Those rounds are mostly from before Obama was elected. I haven't bought ANY ammo lately becuase I don't want to pay a bunch more than I normally would and I don't want to encourage any more buying (I really want the panic buying to stop).

jlg
March 17, 2009, 11:16 AM
I bought 100,000 rounds of 5.56 and I've been practicing shooting with my toes so when the government comes to take my guns away I can shoot all 4 of my AR's at the same time.

I even made make-shift claymores out of marbles and bottle rockets.

The way I figure, I can take on at least an Army regiment or two if not the entire US military.

jr45
March 17, 2009, 11:17 AM
I am with azhunter. I have several thousand rounds of various calibers that I accumulated over the past 5+/- yrs (I stopped buying around the Sep 08 time). The deals were too good so I bought them when on sale (mainly online). Since I also reload, I have not purchased any new ammo for the past 5-6 months. I'll use what I have and hope the cost will come down.

mcdonl
March 17, 2009, 11:20 AM
Wow.... This is about the first "gun nuts" thread I have seen on THR....

Revolution, give me a break.

I just need some large rifle primers so I can enjoy my hobby and they are just about imposible to get.

Leroy

rbernie
March 17, 2009, 11:24 AM
For all of the concern that I've been reading for the last couple/three months on the Internet about how folks are stockpiling ammo and EBRs - I have to admit that I'm just not seeing that.

There are several gun shops in my area that I visit at least once a week to socialize and browse. I have repeatedly and specifically asked the owners and key store personnel if they were seeing 'bulk' purchases of ammo or EBRs, and both said no. In both cases, they indicated that their sales uptick was large but driven by numbers of customers. The average customer was spending more (since EBRs cost more than BDLs) but on the ammo side they're not seeing any tendancy towards large purchases.

At all.

I dunno why folk feel the need to conclude that 'folks are stockpiling' - that's just not happening in the shops that I frequent.

These shops (North Dallas area) also have been able to maintain a decent ammo supply despite the fact that WallyWorld evidently cannot.

HoosierQ
March 17, 2009, 11:33 AM
FWIW the only reason I have done anything like stockpiling at this point is simply because so many others are doing it, I want to be sure and have sufficient rounds on hand to go to the range and shoot when I want to.

I am not stockpiling because I think the stuff is going to get banned. I can't imagine the price dropping though even though the price of commodity metals has dropped like oil...ammo prices are not as dynamic as gas.

It's like back in Y2K. I knew that the S wasn't going to HFT but I also knew that lot of people were worried so...yes...I got out $500 in cash because I figured the ATMs would be empty...I bought some bullets indeed...I filled up the gas tank.

I wonder then how many people are stocking up...rather than stockpiling...for this simple and fairly practical reason?

jr45
March 17, 2009, 11:35 AM
For all of the concern that I've been reading for the last couple/three months on the Internet about how folks are stockpiling ammo and EBRs - I have to admit that I'm just not seeing that.

In my area, I do not see any significant increase of the number of shooters at the ranges however; I do see many bare ammo shelves at Wal-Mart, Gander MTN, and a few other places. If there is not a large increase in the number of people shooting the ammo, no significant increase in hoarding, than why are the shelves empty? Manufactures withholding ammo drive up prices?

What really is confusing me is the lack of primers and powder. I can understand that some shooters will turn to reloading due to cost but the lack of supplies is strange.

Afy
March 17, 2009, 11:37 AM
Jlg:
Not sure how legal your Claymores are.
Its dangerous talk like this that could have the ATF knocking on your door.

30 cal slob
March 17, 2009, 11:38 AM
obvious concerns aside, ammo is arguably some of the best tangible barter you can come across. (assuming economic SHTF happens, which IMO is not out of the realm of consideration).

jlg
March 17, 2009, 11:39 AM
I buy ammo in bulk only if it brings the cost down. If it's $0.50 a round whether I buy 100 or 500, I'm only going to buy 100.

Generally, the cost savings for me buying in bulk are reduced freight costs. I normally buy ammo with a couple of friends from Natchezss.com and we split the freight.

lesterg3
March 17, 2009, 11:39 AM
Even if this is not a SHTF scenario or TEOTWAWKI, I suspect that there will be in the near future some sort of civil unrest, or uprising, or more terrorists, or something out of the ordinary.


We have solar heating, and solar electric panels for water pumps, med kits, and many other survival items, and surplus parts for their maintenance. And, even if we don't get there (a SHTF scenario or TEOTWAWKI) the solar stuff makes me independent. We plant and raise about 60% of our vegetables, and are growing only heirloom vegetables so we can use our own seed, and hunting fills the meat locker with everything else we need (the solar stuff also keeps the freezers running). One thing we have not done yet is to grow wheat or any other grain that we can use for bread, that's the plan for next year, just bought the neighbors 25 acre parcel giving me 75 acres. We can clear 10 to 15 acres of that for grain, should be enough for us and extra to barter with.

And most of this stuff is well hidden from view, buried or in a hidden cellar or bunker. A real good outdoors man could probably find it, but not some suburban yokel.

If you believe that everything is hunky dory that's fine. I would rather be prepared and surprised that nothing happens, than not be prepared and surprised that something does.

Am I nuts, maybe, and I hope I am wrong, but what we are doing is become self sufficient, and in the long run that can't be that bad.

longdayjake
March 17, 2009, 11:42 AM
I sell bullets for a living now and my personal purchases have been in higher quantities simply because when I find primers that I need, I know they wont be around for long and when they come in again they will be marked up. Thats how it has been every week for the last 3 months. The more bullets I sell it seems the more people want. It is getting crazy and its hard to keep stock. manufacturers cant make them fast enough. Its sad.

dirtdog
March 17, 2009, 11:44 AM
Even if this is not a SHTF scenario or TEOTWAWKI, I suspect that there will be in the near future some sort of civil unrest, or uprising, or more terrorists, or something out of the

This has been said again and again for years , when will people see it is just never going to happen.

ccsniper
March 17, 2009, 11:45 AM
i would be if i could find ammo for a reasonable price. all those nuts out there bought all the .22, 9, .40, .223, 7.62x39, that existed! i go to the local gunstore almost 2 times every week, im always met with "sorry that one guy has already been here" every week!

lesterg3
March 17, 2009, 11:46 AM
Good work man, keep it up!!!

jlg
March 17, 2009, 11:48 AM
Jlg:
Not sure how legal your Claymores are.
Its dangerous talk like this that could have the ATF knocking on your door.

I hope everyone realizes that my post was tongue in cheek. I don't own 4 AR's and I certainly can't shoot them with my toes.

I'm not sure of the legality of taping marbles to a bottle rocket. But legal or not, it would be a very dumb idea. I doubt seriously that a bottle rocket has enough power to even move a marble much less throw it with deadly force.

Hungry Seagull
March 17, 2009, 12:03 PM
I have a 6 month shoot chart with X rounds to shoot times two people per weapon each month.

On the 4th month I order 6 months worth of ammuntion plus 25% extra.

There is a small envelope that we call the ammuntion fund. X dollars goes into it from spending money as part of the budget first of the month.

We expect a net gain of a small amount of ammuntion each year stockpiling, but nothing extreme.

So bottom line, we buy ammuntion three times a year and gain about a year ahead of the regular shoot ration. From time to time, we will buy a box or three of the stuff when it is availible locally as we are passing through.

searcher451
March 17, 2009, 12:04 PM
Stockpile? I'd like to be able to stockpile -- at least a little bit for steady range work. But you have to find it before you can stockpile it, and finding it is getting awfully hard these days, what with all the stockpiling that's going on by someone out there. I scored three boxes of Winchester White Box 9mm 115-grain 100 rounds on Monday at the local WallyWorld, the first time in 10 weeks that I have seen any in stock. It'll be gone in two trips to the range, and it'll last that long only because I'll mix in some .22 rounds.

The current ammo situation is like that Miller beer commercial with Jim Mora: "Stockpile? STOCKPILE? Are you kidding me?"

gregormeister
March 17, 2009, 12:10 PM
I have several thousand rounds of various calibers at the homestead but thats been in the works for awhile. I basically stockpile on reloading components and what not, as I am more of a hunter then a shooting fanatic.

Reloading has been a pretty easy to get commodity until the last several months, I was at one of my local haunts a week ago to pick up 2 Lbs. of IMR 4198 when a guy next to me shared the fact that he was up here from West Virginia because down in his neck o' the woods they are selling out of powder primers and lead faster then they can keep up with. All I could think of was this gentleman rolling around on hills of powder, primers and supplies that were PA imports:neener: Just kidding, but I did decide to go to drastic measures.

Needles to say I left with 1 lbs. of IMR4198, 1 lbs. of IMR4064, 2 lbs. of IMR4895, 100 Sierra 223. bullets, 100 Barnes 270. bullets, 2lbs. of greendot powder and 300 9 mil bullets, and one very angry wife who had to reconfigure our checkbook!!:cuss: I guess I'm being greedy but I want my boys to be able to enjoy shooting and hunting when their of age and I don't want to worry about supplies that have rose 200% in price, and an even angrier wife:D. Just my 2 cents but I'm a young avid hunter thats why I've been buying.

Hungry Seagull
March 17, 2009, 12:12 PM
No angry wife here. In fact, she tells me that we must have a minimum of three months shoot plus three reloads for everything on hand.

Lightninstrike
March 17, 2009, 12:16 PM
jlg I got it. Some folks need to work no their sense of humor. :D:D

Being ornery here, but do I need a reason to buy as much ammo as I can afford? I just like being able to grab what I need and head to the range without having to visit the store.

tjj
March 17, 2009, 01:13 PM
I've been around long enough to never say never for anything to happen. I certainly hope the shtf scenario will never happen but you've got to be alert to the fact that we, America, have never been so far down the socialist road before. That presents an uncertainty in people's minds about the future. Uncertainty breeds fear and fear brings on what we've been seeing in the guns and ammo business here lately. I won't condemn or condone what people do to make themselves feel more secure in times like these because we've never had times like these ( in our lifetime anyway). So I say...smokem if ya gottem. Do what you feel you need to do to secure your own family's future.

Ben Shepherd
March 17, 2009, 01:18 PM
I imagine I have close to enough. Always bought in bulk when it was on sale(remember when SA 308 was 8cents/rd?). Not really to hedge against TEOTWAWKI per se, but against other unforseen events, ie.:


1. Recent shortage of ammo and loading components? I can ride it out. I loaded a couple thousand rounds just last weekend without having to scramble all over hades for primers.

2. Got divorced a couple months ago. She took her income, I got to keep the bills. Bad situation financially? Absolutely. But- because I had both food and "gun stuff" stored, I'm doing just fine. In fact, I'm shooting more now than when I was married, and she isn't helping me burn ammo anymore, so even with me shooting more it's lasting longer.

MagnumDweeb
March 17, 2009, 01:25 PM
Been stockpiling for a year and a half, and have just finished buying tons of surplus ammo for 7.62x25 and 7.62x54r. Ammo prices just keep going up. I've stopped shooting .44 Magnum, I've only got five hundred rounds left factory new. And my reloads are getting incredibly low.

I realize my stockpiling is in all likelihood an expression of undue paranoia but "better to have it and not need then need it and not have it", there is not a strong running gun culture in Central Florida, and ammo is either sparse or ridicuosly expensive. I'm glad I bought all my reloading components in 9mm (powder, primers, and projectiles) in the 5,000 round alottment because 9mm at the local gun ranges is between 14.99 and 17.99 ***. I'm reloading fifty rounds of 9mm for just under seven bucks. I bought an additional 'k' of 9mm to where it came out to 12.50 a box of fifty and it's good reloadable ammo(four reloads in the mild range).

But now I can't find primers at retail(the local guys stopped ordering them intentionally), they are selling ammo I know that they are buying from Walmart, saw a local range employee buy up all the .40, .45, .22lr, and 9mm just as I finished my purchase of some .30/30, .38 Special, and .223(my 'k' is in transit about to be delievered). I got so steamed, but now I don't feel an ounce of sadness about bringing in reloaded ammo when they ask you not to. They bought a 50rnd Winchester white box of 9mm for 11.99 and sell it at their shop for 15.99. I'm still back ordered from Cabelas for small rifle primers (glad I got four+k sitting in the safe), and powder for .223 and .308.

lesterg3
March 17, 2009, 01:38 PM
Buying ammo and reloading supplies is like buying everything else.

When supplies are short and people can't get what they want they are going to complain. It does not matter what you believe about future or potential events, market demand exceeds manufacturing production. I don't see any change in this in the forseeable future, too many people are afraaid of Obama, and what his policies might produce on the homefront.

I buy what ever I can get my hands on, and I'm am not going to say I'm sorry.

Here in SC it is really funny when they predict a snowstorm, thousands show up at the grocery store to buy milk and bread, and there are always a few who did not get there soon enough screaming about it at the service desk, why didn't you have more, when is it coming.

OH woo is me, what am I to do. It is truly funny, because snow never lasts more than a day or two here, you'd think these people are going to starve.

ACBMWM3
March 17, 2009, 01:52 PM
For all of the concern that I've been reading for the last couple/three months on the Internet about how folks are stockpiling ammo and EBRs - I have to admit that I'm just not seeing that.

My area is the opposite.
The largest gun dealer in the area purchased pretty much all the XM193 5.56 the local supplier had (I know, I have a dealer account with them as well)
They have about 70 cases of 500 rounders just sitting in the show room for $260 a pop. People where walking out the door with 3 cases...
Wolf, the three Bears Barnaul doesn't last more then 30 minutes in the store...
I have 6 different wholesale accounts and none have had a quality ammo stock in more then 2 months because all the large stores have it on backorder already...

Afy
March 17, 2009, 01:52 PM
I hope everyone realizes that my post was tongue in cheek. I don't own 4 AR's and I certainly can't shoot them with my toes.

I'm not sure of the legality of taping marbles to a bottle rocket. But legal or not, it would be a very dumb idea. I doubt seriously that a bottle rocket has enough power to even move a marble much less throw it with deadly force.

Whew.. had me going for a while.

EHL
March 17, 2009, 02:06 PM
Whew.. had me going for a while.

You didn't get that joke??? He had me rolling over on my side, at "toes"!;)

On the subject though, I just bought 500 rnds of .223 even though it wasn't best of prices, it's reloadable and it's available. ($45 for 100) They are the ONLY shop here in SouthEast Idaho with anything in stock. I can't find components for anything else either. I can only find lots of 40S&W?? Wierd!

DCortez
March 17, 2009, 02:12 PM
I stockpile because others have stockpiled. When my family and I go shoot, we easily run through 1,000 rounds. On a slow work week, we'll go to the range twice a week.

earlthegoat2
March 17, 2009, 02:18 PM
What about stockpiling reloading components??

rondog
March 17, 2009, 02:21 PM
I don't know about stockpiling, but I'm been gathering brass/bullets/primers/powders for the last year for about 9 different calibers. Only ammo I've really bought is a couple cans of 7.62x54R, and some milsurp .30-06, some .44mag stuff, and 14 boxes of .38+P that I got great deals on from some private sellers. Oh, bought 4 bulk packs of .22lr that was on sale at Big 5.

So, loaded factory ammo? Not a lot. But reloading components? My wife thinks I'm insane. But me starting reloading was HER idea! Now I just need to slap together a reloading bench in the basement and start putting them together. I've got 14 gallons of .45acp cases alone, all cleaned and polished, and probably 4gals. of those are already primed.

jard
March 17, 2009, 02:37 PM
Reloading components are just easy to stock pile. A lot of places will give you 1000 free primers if you buy 9000. Why wouldn't you.

So you get 10,000 small pistol - and 10,000 large pistol. What about magnums? Powder comes in 8lb jugs and is a way better deal than the 1lb offerings. 8lbs of powder will load A LOT (tens of thousands; 8 pounds = 56 000 grains) of pistol rounds. And if you use different powder in different calibers, then there you go, you need another 8lb jug. :)

Then you get into rifle components!

jlg
March 17, 2009, 02:49 PM
Reloading components are just easy to stock pile. A lot of places will give you 1000 free primers if you buy 9000. Why wouldn't you.

So you get 10,000 small pistol - and 10,000 large pistol. What about magnums? Powder comes in 8lb jugs and is a way better deal than the 1lb offerings. 8lbs of powder will load A LOT (tens of thousands; 8 pounds = 56 000 grains) of pistol rounds. And if you use different powder in different calibers, then there you go, you need another 8lb jug.

Then you get into rifle components!

That's exactly why I haven't gotten into reloading yet. I'd be "saving money" so much that I'd go broke.:o

mljdeckard
March 17, 2009, 02:53 PM
I agree that in a SHTF situation, the only reason to have more than a combat load you can carry is to have it to trade for other goods. If I am in actual combat, and I survive longer than one load, I should have plenty of weapons and ammo available to me.

lesterg3
March 17, 2009, 02:58 PM
Deleteing

camslam
March 17, 2009, 03:03 PM
Why accumulate or "stockpile" ammo?

The old boy scout motto is enough for me on this one.

"BE PREPARED".

I love reading posts by people that accuse those that accumulate large amounts of ammo as "gun nuts", "revolutionists", or whatever the other description of the day might be.

The bottom line for me is this:

A gun is only as useful as the bullets that can be fired out of it. For you guys that don't see the relevance of having ample stores of ammunition, that is your decision. However, there are many scenarios that can and do happen where having a healthy supply of ammunition and magazines is a good thing.

For those that poo poo the idea of needing lots of ammo, magazines, guns, etc... I would ask them why do you even bother having a gun? Chances are you will NEVER need it to defend yourself. So why have it?

I am happy that I own several firearms, plenty of ammunition and magazines for them, and will continue to "accumulate" as allowed by monetary restrictions.

rogertc1
March 17, 2009, 03:20 PM
They say that there is a shortage of Gold too because everyone is buying it.
In a way ammo has been better than gold.

fireman 9731
March 17, 2009, 03:28 PM
I wouldn't say that I stockpile ammo...

I usually keep around 5000 rounds of 22lr, and maybe a 1000 rounds of 12 gauge. If I shoot a hundred rounds I go buy a hundred more rounds and just keep my supply as a "cushion" in case of whatever.

I reload everything else I shoot so I usually have enough components for about 500 rounds of each caliber. I only reload 2 calibers so its really not that much.

If I had thousands of dollars to fritter away then yes, I would probably go buy lots of ammo with it just so I don't ever have to worry about buying ammo again.

But thats the catch, Money is my biggest constraint that limits my shooting so I would say that if I had all kinds of spending money then yes, I would probably keep a few more thousand rounds on hand.

Now is the difference in 10,000 rounds versus 1,000 rounds going to make a difference in a SHTF scenario?

I doubt it.

The bottom line is that its better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Personally I don't think anybody needs 10,000 rounds of ammo. But if somebody wants 10,000 rounds then I don't know why they shouldn't be aloud to have it.

454496
March 17, 2009, 04:40 PM
I believe people are stockpiling ammo because of fear.
Fear that the USA will collapse like the USSR.
Fear that there will not be enough money to play all the police officers.
Fear that the politicians will force ammo prices to go higher and higher.
Fear of another weapons bans.
Fear of the government.
Fear that know one really knows what is going to happen.
We The People will always have fear till we remember that we are the government of the USA and the politicians are only employees.

KarenTOC
March 17, 2009, 05:12 PM
I don't know if you can call it stockpiling, but once I discovered I could pay for ALL my purchases at the cash register where I'm required to pay for my ammo, every time I go to Walmart I grab a box of whatever they have in a caliber I can use just to avoid the long line up front. I now have what is, for me, a reasonably decent supply of ammunition in various calibers.

Of course, my "stockpile" probably only equals what some of you guys shoot in one day at the range lol.

Phydeaux642
March 17, 2009, 05:22 PM
I bought a bunch of 9mm not quite two years ago. I bought it because it was on sale for $12.99/100 WWB. I'm glad I did now that it's $20.00+ a box. I buy a box here and there, maybe more when it's on sale or if it's something I'm trying to get a few of. I have a lot of .22 but that's what I have been shooting lately.

SilentStalker
March 17, 2009, 05:23 PM
All I can say is that you guys must have some serious cash to be stockpiling this much ammo, buying equipment to become self-suficient, shooting at the range 2 times a week and blowing through 1000's or rounds, etc. All I can say is wow. That must be very expensive. What in the world do you do for a living?

Ben Shepherd
March 17, 2009, 05:30 PM
SilentStalker-

Some folks keep horses, some folks fish, some folks travel, and for some of us shooting/guns are our thing. ALL of these can be very expensive and time consuming. On this board, which group do you think is going to post?;)

Phydeaux642
March 17, 2009, 06:04 PM
All I can say is that you guys must have some serious cash to be stockpiling this much ammo, buying equipment to become self-suficient, shooting at the range 2 times a week and blowing through 1000's or rounds, etc. All I can say is wow. That must be very expensive. What in the world do you do for a living?

You have to develop a taste for PB&J and Ramen noodles.:neener:

Titan6
March 17, 2009, 06:22 PM
I bought when it was cheap in anticipation of prices going way up. They did. Most of the people who are buying now I think are buying at very near the market peak, unless hunting and shooting suddenly becomes America's favorite sport again. Then prices will rise again until the market normalizes.

The morons who think the revolution is coming haven't quite worked it out yet. You have to have leaders, cause, followers and a number of other things for a revolt.

They have nothing to offer that is better than what we already have, which is this: The most free nation on Earth.

jlg
March 17, 2009, 06:22 PM
All I can say is that you guys must have some serious cash to be stockpiling this much ammo, buying equipment to become self-suficient, shooting at the range 2 times a week and blowing through 1000's or rounds, etc. All I can say is wow. That must be very expensive. What in the world do you do for a living?

My friend freaked out when he heard that I spent $5,000 on a rifle...then he went and spent $30,000 on a fishing boat.

To every man his own.

gego
March 17, 2009, 08:02 PM
Here is a humorous explanation of why I have been stockpiling for the last 5 years. Better to be years early than one day late.

A Post-oil man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QovBLFZhQME

You don't need to run out of oil for the economy to collapse. All you need to do is run out of cheap oil or have production start to declines. What do you think is really behind the current economic collapse? How about high energy costs which is another way of saying less economic output. Lots of people point to the faulty monetary system, and true that was an accident waiting to happen, but even more fundamental than being ripped off by the banks is hitting the energy limits.

Rembrandt
March 17, 2009, 08:19 PM
Due to the primer shortages.....I'm forced to stockpile lead balls and pyrodex for my blackpowder rifle.

ThrottleJockey
March 17, 2009, 09:28 PM
"They say that there is a shortage of Gold too because everyone is buying it.
In a way ammo has been better than gold."

Dumb. Everyone buying gold does NOT create a shortage, it raises price. You should have learned this selling blow pops and jolly ranchers in the second grade.

ThrottleJockey
March 17, 2009, 09:29 PM
Server FAIL.

Dr. Fresh
March 17, 2009, 09:47 PM
I don't have the money to "stockpile," but whenever I'm at the store I pick up a pack of Wolf x39 or a box of 9mm or .38 Special. It adds up. Right now I have around 300 rounds of x39, with more coming.

brin747
March 17, 2009, 09:53 PM
I'm not stockpiling, but I did get a great deal on a 1000 case of Golden Tiger 7.72X39 the week after I bought my SKS so I grabbed it. I also have a Wal Mart near me that (until this week) has always had 9mm available so I figured picking up a couple of boxes a week couldn't hurt.

This way I have plenty to play with this summer when I can get to my favorite sand pits!

AllAmerican
March 17, 2009, 10:09 PM
Lighten up Francis... errrr Jorg.

I am collecting as much ammo as I can afford to collect. That runs about 40-60 dollars a week. Im actually doing pretty good.

I am collecting for any number of scenarios. There, how's that for an explanation?

LOL

To answer the OP, I own an Heating and Air Conditioning company. I am a one man outfit. I also travel a bit playing guitar backing a Nashville cat.

SilentStalker
March 17, 2009, 10:11 PM
I hear you guys. I guess I just have too many expensive hobbies and a job that doesn't pay well enough to support all of them as much as I would like. However, at this point I am just happy to have a job. I am also one of those people that spent $3000 on a gun LOL that I cannot even shoot right now for a number of reasons, which all goes back mainly to the monetary situation. The gun is nice, but without a scope, scopemounts, a bipod, some sights (not necessary but wanted), and some ammo it is nothing more than a very expensive baseball bat.

shotgunjoel
March 17, 2009, 10:34 PM
I bought about 800-1000 shotgun shells and 1500 rounds of .22lr because it's nice to have on hand, and I don't think I'd like some big ammo tax.

crazy-mp
March 17, 2009, 10:41 PM
Stockpiling for when SHTF no, not really but I do have quite a bit of ammo. I bought most of mine pre-oh crap I have 2 guns and only 35 rounds between the two better go buy a couple more guns and a few thousand rounds.

I have begun to wonder how many rounds I would get off in a civil unrest/SHTF situation before I run out or get killed myself. I still buy a box here and there, but I am not driving hours from home on the weekend to find deals on ammo.

To each his own, and prepare for the worst but hope for the best!:cool:

ShadyScott999
March 17, 2009, 10:45 PM
Yes, and Yes. I just can't afford it anymore.

Isher
March 17, 2009, 11:03 PM
Oh man have I got a program for you.

Satisfies both parties of the Gummint.

Based on proven previous Gummint programs,

And fits perfectly with Mr. G. Orwell's

"Animal Farm."

Its called Ammo Stamps, exactly, perfectly

Like Food Stamps.

No hoarding, no panic, no sleepless nights.........

Just go in every month and cash in your ammo stamps.

There you go, Bro

isher

Redneck with a 40
March 17, 2009, 11:19 PM
I'm a reloader, so I make sure I have ample supplies to load several thousand rounds of 40 S&W, 357 mag, and now, .308.:D I like to have a couple year's worth of ammo on hand, its just a comforting feeling, knowing I can target shoot without fear of running short. My goal is to have 500 rounds of .308 loaded, in the next few month's, that should be plenty.:)

By the way, this past weekend was my first foray into loading .308, I'm hooked! Its awesome!:D

chuwee81
March 18, 2009, 02:55 PM
well, i'm buying because ammo is not readilly avaailable like it was before. I have a 9mm pistol and ammo have been scarce. So i want to have a supply on hand.

Just like before Ike hit, everyone should have their tank full, because after the landfall, some gas stations were out of gas for a couple of weeks.

So i'd like to have supply on hand. I bought 11 boxes of 100 rds WWB 9mm at wal mart yesterday because the price is still the same before the shortage, whereas academy charges $2-3 more for a box of Monarch. My wallet felt the hit since i've never bought anything that much before but i figure I'll always be a shooter and it's just a matter of time before i spend the same amount of money and rounds. The difference is, i might not get it as soon as i want it in the future.

3pairs12
March 18, 2009, 02:59 PM
I tell you who is guilty of stock piling ammo. My damn nieghbor. He must have 100k rounds in mixed calibers. Makes me jealous.

moooose102
March 18, 2009, 04:33 PM
ever wonder how much ammo a revolution takes?

yep, sign me up!

Ratshooter
March 18, 2009, 04:44 PM
I tell you who is guilty of stock piling ammo. My damn nieghbor. He must have 100k rounds in mixed calibers. Makes me jealous.

Hey 3Pairs12 you don't live next to me do you? LOL.

I have lots of ammo, primers, powder and cases. Also 1400+ pounds of lead and twenty bullet molds. I started stocking up on supplies and ammo in the mid 1990s. I saw this day coming a long time ago.

I feel sorry for you guys trying to scrape and find stuff but I think you did let yourselves get caught short. Hopefully it will get better in a couple of months.

I never forgot the lesson I learned during the last primer scare. I have 25,000 primers on hand now. I won't get caught short again.

BigNYMini
March 18, 2009, 04:53 PM
Alot of people are definately buying out of speculation. Chances of a SHTF scenario... slim. Chances ammo prices going up... high. Given current socio-economic conditions and political atmosphere, it seems to be a no-brainer for those already involved in the sport. Others are hedging their 401k or whatever is left of it. For ammo to get cheaper or cheap again global conflict and anti-gun legislation would have to cease. Again, slim chance.

gotmine
March 18, 2009, 05:31 PM
A stockpile is a warehouse full....10,000/20,000 is preparing for the future of your sporting needs at today's prices.

Gottahaveone
March 18, 2009, 05:37 PM
If one is apprehensive enough then a case might be made for storing medicines, food, fuel, spare parts and the like, but why large amounts of ammo? Perhaps I'm missing something.
I feel that anybody who isn't doing exactly this doesn't fully grasp what a day-to-day inventory that your local grocery store carries. What happens when, for whatever reason, the trucks stop running for a few days? Go ask the manager of your local store just exactly how many days of inventory he has on hand. I expect the answer will scare that pants off of you. I have about 12k rounds, spread over 6 calibers/gauges. And enough beans and rice and canned hams in the closet to last me at least 3 months. I've done that for years. Do I expect to use 12,000 rounds in a major battle or SHTF scenario? Of course not. Do I see a time when a box of .22's would be a valuable barter commodity? You betcha. It's not like I went out last week and bought all this, I've been accumulating a cushion for some time now. I would MUCH rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. And it's not like it's going to spoil, sitting in my safe......

Duke of Doubt
March 18, 2009, 06:10 PM
I didn't exactly stockpile on purpose. I used to own and shoot a very broad array of calibers, primarily vintage military rifles. I still do, but I got out of quite a few categories and calibers a few years back. But with that sort of hobby, you have to have a lot of different cartridges on hand, and you'd best get them when you can, as supply is spotty for most (I did once get a few boxes of .41 Swiss rimfire, but that was a Find worthy of a certain PBS show). So it became a habit to grab up good deals on cartridges for those calibers I shot, which was a lot. I've got ammo I've never even seen. Yesterday when digging out some stuff for St. Patrick's Day I found a long-lost sardine tin of 8mm Mauser. Three-hundred and eighty rounds I didn't even know I had misplaced, which I guess I could run through my Persian, my Yugo, my Turk, or whatever, but which probably will go back to gathering dust.

"Stockpile."

Bah.

skoro
March 18, 2009, 06:37 PM
I've been buying in moderate quantities the past few months as calibers I use become available. So now I have 500-600 rounds in each, except for 380, where it's abut 200.

I think it's wise to have some stashed away for "a rainy day."

crazy-mp
March 19, 2009, 12:00 AM
I have 500-600 rounds in each, except for 380, where it's abut 200



Donít feel bad I only have about 500 for my .380's. To me the .380 is more of a last ditch gun, if it came down to me using that I doubt that I would last too long anyway. Most of my .380's are small too, I like something a little bigger (frame size) to just go out and plink with. But thatís just me.

DCortez
March 19, 2009, 11:44 AM
All I can say is that you guys must have some serious cash to be stockpiling this much ammo, buying equipment to become self-suficient, shooting at the range 2 times a week and blowing through 1000's or rounds, etc. All I can say is wow. That must be very expensive. What in the world do you do for a living?

It's not so much what I do for a living, it's more about being debt free. No car payments, no house payments, no nothing payments. It feels like money is falling from the sky, lol.

1,000 rounds of .45 costs about $380 and 1,00 rounds of .22 costs around $25. The wife and I shoot 45's and the kids their 22's.

ThrottleJockey
March 19, 2009, 06:13 PM
DCortez, I see you too live life the way Dave Ramsey preaches!!! Isn't it great?

DCortez
March 19, 2009, 06:50 PM
DCortez, I see you too live life the way Dave Ramsey preaches!!! Isn't it great?

Think Mel Gibson in Braveheart ... F-R-E-E-D-O-M!!


I know this is going off topic, but here it goes. I read a book called The Millionaire Next Door back in 96 or 97, my wife saw a news segment on it after I read it. It changed our outlook on being rich. The book was kinda dry and repetitive after a while, but the guy drilled the point home.

To this day, we have an article called "The rich really aren't different", from US News & World Report, April 14, 1997 thumbtacked on the wall in our home office.

Hungry Seagull
March 19, 2009, 07:23 PM
DCortez,

That was one of the very few times I hear a Movie House "Roar" and Braveheart was one of those moments. The one we had been to was showing like 8 out of 12 screens for... 500 each screen? Sold out.

The blood lust, cheering and roaring was... a lesson in Crowd Mentality. You could hear/feel it halfway down mall-land resonating through the building.

Duke of Doubt
March 19, 2009, 07:32 PM
Hungry Seagull: "That was one of the very few times I hear a Movie House "Roar""

Biggest Movie House Roar I ever heard was during "The Untouchables," when Andy Garcia said, "Two."

Contrast that with "Enemy at the Gates"; when Thorvald got it, the house was silent except for a nasal female at the back who said, "Ewwwwwwwww." I laughed. I just had to.

I'm sure "The Patriot" had its moments, but I never saw that in theater.

"Raiders of the Lost Ark" had a lot of cheering, but no "roar."

Hungry Seagull
March 19, 2009, 08:09 PM
Duke, The Patriot was a little bit of a bomb. The house was respectfully silent through the film. I think they enjoyed it but much of the little bits of History *Whiff... they did like the two Great Danes scene through.

That was one of the last theater trips we went through.

Band of Brothers now... whooo eee... now where did I leave that heart med?

Patrick_Henry
March 19, 2009, 08:17 PM
I haven't really stock piled, but I think the same thinking may work here as for CCW "Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it"

Officers'Wife
March 19, 2009, 08:35 PM
My hubby and I have enough ammunition on hand to support our hobby shooting for about six months. Further there is enough empty brass, primers, powder and ball in the 'shop' to reload for another six months. When we have money to spare and the price is right we buy, if not we don't.

Guns and more
March 19, 2009, 11:06 PM
These shops (North Dallas area) also have been able to maintain a decent ammo supply despite the fact that WallyWorld evidently cannot.
Perhaps those who buy look for a good price. (that was one of the reasons).
I can always buy Wolf for $15 a box of 20 at my gun dealer. I'm looking for a box of a hundred for $20-$39.
No one's buying a thousand rounds at twice the price.

Cannonball888
March 20, 2009, 01:12 AM
mcdonl wrote: Wow.... This is about the first "gun nuts" thread I have seen on THR....

Revolution, give me a break.
Just for that crack, mcdonl, I'm not going to ask you to join my militia group which is a whole army of my countrymen, here in defiance of tyranny. You've come to fight as free men... and free men you are. What will you do with that freedom? Will you fight? Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

pingpong
March 20, 2009, 01:39 AM
"The coming revolution"??!! Holy crap, I hope a lot of you guys are kidding. Anyway to the OP, the answer is Obama. That is why we are stockpiling. All the lawmaking branches of our government controlled by people who think we're the bad guys. I sort of stockpile 7x57's because they seem to be getting less and less popular and its one of my favorite cartridges. But I have stocked up on other rounds whenever I hear Illinois politicians or Nancy Pelosi speaking off the record or to their whacky base. Bill Clinton has a real zinger about "comunalism" and gun control that is downright disturbing. There won't be a revolution so much as there will be a gradual increase in taxes on ammo,licenses,etc. Anything to make gun ownership more difficult, without actually banning anything outright. Always remember, you have the right to bear arms, but the constitution doesn't say anything about ammo.

ThrottleJockey
March 20, 2009, 01:47 AM
Heck, I'm sorry guys, I know I'm risking a lock, but these last 2 got me going.

Obama is not the problem. He is just a puppet, a pretty and fresh face to calm the masses desire for something different. The problem is the CFR, Federal Reserve, Trilateral Commision, IMF....In short, the Bilderbergs. And Nancy Pelosi is a friggin' idiot and should face military tribunal for her comments yesterday about our immigration laws. Come on, securing our border and enforcing immigration laws "unamerican"? She just needs to STFU and go home.

ThrottleJockey
March 20, 2009, 01:48 AM
Rant over. I buy all the ammo I can because I like to shoot. Proficiency takes a lot of bullets.

takhtakaal
March 20, 2009, 01:56 AM
Ammo?

What ammo?

:D

pingpong
March 20, 2009, 02:11 AM
Listen ThrottleJockey, I take offense to some of your comments. Obama,pretty? The guy is gorgeous. Listening to him talk about banning assault weapons........siiiiiggghhhh.

pingpong
March 20, 2009, 02:13 AM
And speaking of stockpiling, who the hell else is stockpiling 22 longs?! (No I didn't say Long Rifle) Man that pisses me off.

Ridgerunner665
March 20, 2009, 02:17 AM
:D Guilty...and proud of it.

outerlimit
March 20, 2009, 02:26 AM
The way people are buying ammo..

you would think they are going to stop making .22lr, 9mm, .45, .223 & .308 forever starting April 1st.

outerlimit
March 20, 2009, 02:36 AM
And speaking of stockpiling, who the hell else is stockpiling 22 longs?! (No I didn't say Long Rifle) Man that pisses me off.


I haven't seen any .22 longs for sale in many years. The last few boxes of Federal .22 Long I had several years ago got shot out of a Ruger Single Six. Very accurate they were.. I still see .22 Short for sale occasionally though.

whitefeather
March 20, 2009, 08:27 AM
Well..... guilty as charged, I guess.

I've been collecting and shooting guns for about twenty years now. I have lots of guns in various calibers.

Military and sporting, large caliber and small..... I like 'em all! And, I like the fact that I can grab any of them and head out with enough ammo to last quite awhile.

Additionally, I don't ascribe to the notion that ammo will always be available. In fact, the way things have been going lately, I wouldn't be surprised by anything our beloved Government would do in the not so distant future.

For all of you who think guys like me who have more than a "few" rounds on hand are some kind of crazy tin foil hat wearing nuts, have you taken a critical look at what's happened since last September?

Have you not noticed the liberal agenda shopping spree? Hell, I've even had neighbors who voted for Obama ask me for advice on buying guns and ammo. Some of them are having buyer's remorse over their votes and have concerns about their ability to own firearms in the future. Talk about irony! Now their worried about their 2A rights!

Do you really think that your 2A "rights" will not be somehow compromised over the next four, maybe eight years? Do you think that the newly emboldened anti-2A bunch is never going to try and restrict your ability to access ammo? Ammo is the new tobbacco.

My advice to anyone who enjoys firearms, the ability to fire them and the freedom they represent is to buy as much ammo as you can afford (and then some).

Bailey Guns
March 20, 2009, 09:15 AM
Well, this thread got me thinking about my ammo "stash". Some of it I kept when I closed my store. The bulk of it I've picked up at well below market prices from wholesalers, private sales, garage sales, etc... I'd say about 75% of it was bought at half, or less, the going market rate at the time. If I stumbled across a screamin' deal, I bought it. For example...A fella asked me one day if I bought "used ammo". "Used ammo?", I said with a puzzled look. He said, "Well, it's really not used. It's just some old stuff I have laying around that I don't need any more." I told him I didn't think I was interested in it. He said, "OK...no problem. I just don't need it since I got rid of my .308." Well, needless to say, that got my attention. Further discussion led to me buying his "used ammo"...which turned out to be 2,500 rounds of RG, South African and Australian surplus 7.62x51 for $450. That was last summer. The munitions gods were smiling on me that day.

I've bought some in the last 6 months to "round out" some caliber inventories, but it's only amounted to maybe 25% of the total and always with "free shipping" or other special deals.

Bottom line, I have enough, in all calibers combined (9mm, .45, .223, .308, 5.45x39, .30-06, 7.62x39), to fire 250 rounds per month for 25 years. That doesn't account for the additional stuff I'll undoubtedly pick up along the way. I'm somewhat doubtful I'll live long enough to shoot it all.

Yes, it's a substantial amount of money just sitting there, doing nothing. Worst case, I pretty much have enough ammo to keep me shooting for years into the future at a reasonable price. Best case, in terms of financial benefit (not necessarily in terms of the best for the sport of shooting), it continues to rise in cost and I stand to make a substantial profit should I decide to sell it or, I'm able to continue my chosen sport when it would otherwise be out of reach financially. It could also be used to barter for other items. Who knows. I'm not going to feel ashamed or otherwise embarrassed that I chose, and still do under certain circumstances, to acquire the amount that I have.

Now I need to get past the point where I'm constantly looking for bargains and start enjoying some of the fruits of my labors! Time to turn some money into noise.

Also, like some others have said, when you understand the stranglehold debt places you under, and when you learn to free yourself from that stranglehold, amazing things can happen in your life. It's a great thing. I wish it hadn't taken me almost 50 years to figure that out.

loosenuts
March 20, 2009, 09:57 AM
I think I agree with about 95% of you people on keeping enough ammo, while looking for the deals right now. The climate is going to change greatly for the gunning enthusiasts and it's time to gather what you can afford, wether ammo, reloading components, etc.
The rumors on bullet serializing have given me more concern about the path the government is taking. I encourage all to write their congressman and tell them 'It's not the gun, it's the gunner' and make stiffer laws that reflect that. I see no reason not to punish a thug that uses a gun in a crime with an automatic 20 year sentence. Then they will resort back to knives and bats, but at least we will have our weapon collections and ammo needed to enjoy our hobby.
Sorry for the OT ramble. I love to shoot, don't get out as much as I like, and the range is out my back door, and I am focusing on ammo and components since I have acquired most of the types of guns I want in my collection to admire their history and pass down to my children.
I also hope the panic buying will settle down, but at least the gun and ammo manufactures are getting stimulized(sp), LOL

ccsniper
March 21, 2009, 10:39 AM
to me this is amazing, but last night i actually got to buy 300 rounds of nine at wal mart!! so now i am stockpiling because i cant find ammo anywhere. thats why i stock the crap i can find!

outerlimit
March 21, 2009, 02:30 PM
Still no 9mm or .45 at Walmart. No more .40 either. Three boxes of .357Sig. Plenty of .22lr.

I'll bet most of the horders aren't shooting as much anymore either.

Playing right into the anti-gunner's hands.

Elbert P . Suggins
March 21, 2009, 06:55 PM
There are a couple of things that need to be remembered. The LA riots and New Orleans. Those were situations where armed decent civilians were able to defend themsleves against the thieving, pillaging and rape. We are headed for some very uncertain times. Californians have been buying out parcels of ground here in Central Idaho and staking claim. They live in tents and pull campers and open carry. They already have tent cities in Sacremento, Portland, Seattle and many other places across the country for those that can't leave the metro areas. No jobs, no money, no hopes breeds civil unrest. For those that poopoo SHTF scenarios you can right it off all you want to. This country is due for some serious shaking up and everything is stacking up in recent months for a tumble. Purchasing guns and ammo is one part of the survival puzzle but probably the most important. Probably if we had all bought guns and ammo the last twenty years that money we would have spent would have doubled in value whereas many have lost 50% of their life savings in the big Casino in New York.

outerlimit
March 21, 2009, 07:05 PM
For those that poopoo SHTF scenarios you can right it off all you want to. This country is due for some serious shaking up and everything is stacking up in recent months for a tumble.

This country has been ripe for a SHTF scenario since the 1960's. And it's had a few over its existence. As far as I'm aware ammo was still available during the war of 1812, the Civil War, the Spanish-American war, the Depression, both World Wars, The Korean War, the entire Cold War and through Jimmy Carter & Comrade Clinton.

Elbert P . Suggins
March 21, 2009, 07:19 PM
Well, that didn't take long, about 10 minutes.

sgt3531
March 22, 2009, 03:03 AM
Well, I skipped the middle two pages of the thread. I knew where this was going. I am very happy that those of us here on THR have enough ammunition for virtually any realistic situation. Wer're all on the same side, and I hope all of my neighbors are as responsible as those of us here on the high road.
I got drunk the other night (I'm a college student!, and former U.S. Marine) and decided to buy 500 rds of 9mm Federal Hi-Shok from ammuntiontogo.com. I bought it only because I know several of my buddies will buy some from me, essentially splitting the cost.
In terms of SHTF, If you've got more than a couple dozen rounds, I think you're good. Civil unrest? REALLY? How many people are you willing/planning to kill? How many people are actually gonna look down the barrel of your gun after they try and break in your front door in a SHTF situation?
The most important question is, I would hope we all have enough ammo to defend our homes against home invasion, and yes, even a Hurricane Katrina type situation, but if S truly HTF, are any of you stupid enough to try and fight the National Guard and god forbid, regular troops? Does anyone here really think they can take on a squad of heavily armed AND armored squad of well-trained troops?
Let's all stay on the high road, buy the ammo we need to have fun, stay well-practiced, and to defend our homes. If you're buying for reasons other than that, I think you're in the wrong and way off the high road.
We have to take other avenues of approach to defend our right to bear arms than buy all the ammo we can so that if (and hopefully not) it becomes illegal, we have things in our basement that the federal government might start coming after....
Write your congressman/women, it'll do more good than you think.

yokel
March 22, 2009, 07:50 AM
The Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia has decided to keep 200,000 rounds on hand -- a stockpile that is dubbed the "Katrina reserve".

Just because there has not been a protracted armed conflict on U.S. soil in nearly 150 years that doesn't mean we wouldn't have a another national catastrophe like we haven't seen since the 1860s.

Accordingly, one ought to have reserves on hand that anticipate an absolute worst case scenario.

It has to be done if we're really on a war footing. If not . . .

4Freedom
March 22, 2009, 08:06 AM
With Obama in power, how can people feel so confident in not stocking up with ammo.. I just don't get it.. Do people really think he is not going to try to cut the ammo supply? I think liberals have wised up since the Clinton years and AWB maybe on teh backburner.. I think an ammo ban is a more likely scenario.

jon_in_wv
March 22, 2009, 08:21 AM
Mostly I want enough ammo for use that I'll have enough brass to reload for an extended period. Congress has been trying for a long time to ban ammo, tax it out of existence, change the way it works, etc.......I just want to be sure I'll still have the ability to make my guns work. SGT3851, I don't think many people, if the SHTF, and people are breaking in you door, are going to have a problem finding the heart to defend themselves. I would do whatever it took to keep my family safe. I think most parents would. Having the means to defend them is only common sense.
Personally, I don't stockpile fo every weapon I have. I have basically four sets of weapons I consider my STHF weapons. They are in 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, and 9mm. I keep a minimum of about 500 rounds for each on hand. The fourth set it the small caliber, small game guns in 22lr and a pellet gun. I keep about 1500 rounds each for them. Now that I've started reloading I'm going to load even more 9mm and I have a Savage 7mm RM that I'm going to load up a few hundred rounds for. Whatever Obama and his commie buddies decide to do I should be OK for a while.

takhtakaal
March 22, 2009, 08:41 AM
In terms of SHTF, If you've got more than a couple dozen rounds, I think you're good. Civil unrest? REALLY? How many people are you willing/planning to kill? How many people are actually gonna look down the barrel of your gun after they try and break in your front door in a SHTF situation?
The most important question is, I would hope we all have enough ammo to defend our homes against home invasion, and yes, even a Hurricane Katrina type situation, but if S truly HTF, are any of you stupid enough to try and fight the National Guard and god forbid, regular troops? Does anyone here really think they can take on a squad of heavily armed AND armored squad of well-trained troops?

An enemy, foreign or domestic, might be one who refuses to support and defend the Constitution and its provisions. If you're an inactive Marine, I'm going to assume that you took an oath to stand against such enemies. Can I also assume that you're too self-centered or intelligent to remember that oath, what it requires of you, and the immorality of casting it aside in favor of personal considerations? That, my friend, is High Road, not suggesting that others are stupid, or that anyone has the right to attempt to unlawfully strip others of enumerated freedoms recognized by the Bill of Rights.

wnycollector
March 22, 2009, 08:48 AM
I started shooting mil surplus rifles(sks' and ak's) 20 years ago I would buy a tin of 7.62x39 ammo here and there, shooting until my supply was depleted. About 5 years ago I started to collect other types of mil surplus bolt actions so my ammo needs increased. I bought a few tins of 8mm romanian and hungarian silver tip ammo back when in was $.08/round. Once the price increases started I would buy a tin of each type of ammo when I found a deal. At this point my stockpile of mil surplus ammo is ~6000 rounds. I know that may sound a little insane to some, but I shoot my mil surplus rifles and pistols for ~$.10/shot.

As for commercial handgun ammo, I have ~500 rounds of range (RNL or SWC) ammo/caliber and ~200-300 JHP ammo/caliber. I have ~200-300 rounds of buckshot and slugs for my shotguns.

Gun Geezer
March 22, 2009, 09:54 AM
I believe widespread civil unrest is very possible for a number of reasons. Riots at a miminum. What do you think might happen if (please let it happen) the Kenyan is tossed by the Supremes since he is not a citizen?

Stockpiling enough ammo to fight a protracted conflict is not possible. But, having enough to beat back rioters, looters, etc. is reasonable.

My personal stash minimums, rotated and never depleted:
9mm: 1000
45 acp: 1000
38sp: 500
.357 mag: 500
30-30: 500
30-06: 500
7mm mag: 250
12-00 buck: 200
12 bird shot: 3000 (I shoot lots of birds!)
22 LR: 5000

If that won't get me and several neighbors through it, it's worse than I can handle anyway.

Elbert P . Suggins
March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM
I will tell you straight up what concerns me and why you could call me a survivalist. I live out in the country and rented the farm out and now do aerial application for a living. I know how fragile our food chain is as far as production and distribution. I see it from the time it gets seeded to the time it is loaded into the semi. I started out with 120 farm customers and now have 49 and I am still spraying the same acres. Now you can say that big farms are gobbling up the smaller ones. But these larger farms as of now are facing the same financial stress that put the smaller operations down to their knees. Agriculture right now is on the verge of going under and all it would take would be a supply situation from equipment, vendors, or lending institutions or a NEW ADMINISTRATION that doesn't have a clue what it is doing. The trucking industry has been shaky also. I am talking about food shortages not on a small scale. This people, is what causes civil unrest! Give that some thought before downgrading the seriousness of a very possible situation. I know what the hell I am talking about in all due respect to the SGT.

shiftyer1
March 22, 2009, 11:18 AM
Is it really stockpiling if ur gonna use it? I buy what I can afford when I find a good deal or just get the urge. Not out of fear but just so I have something on hand to shoot, reallistically I really don't think someone who has to bug out can carry 10000 rounds with them in various calibers. It's just like everything else you use, if ya find a good deal get 2. Your gonna use it anyway.

Cannonball888
March 22, 2009, 11:38 AM
Steve Pearson wrote:
My personal stash minimums, rotated and never depleted:

9mm: 1000
45 acp: 1000
38sp: 500
.357 mag: 500
30-30: 500
30-06: 500
7mm mag: 250
12-00 buck: 200
12 bird shot: 3000 (I shoot lots of birds!)
22 LR: 5000
Note to self:
Hoard more ammo. Must beat Steve Pearson:cuss:......:p

Throwingdown
March 22, 2009, 12:20 PM
I don't stockpile, I buy when on sale and then shoot it. I might have a little extra laying around, but by no means any stockpiling.
I can see the logic to buying more now for the saving on money down the road, but I think people are just over reacting to the Obama election.
If they are going to come for the guns, you have two choices. Turn your stuff in or become a criminal (but thats another discussion).

Ratshooter
March 22, 2009, 12:43 PM
I think Elbert P Suggins in post #112 is trying to tell us something. I hope everyone is listening. A food shortage here would not surprise me at all. If we have one do not expect any other country to come to our aid like we have done for others. It won't happen.

Also don't think you will trade ammo for food in a SHTF situation. No one is going to trade something to eat for bullets. Food and water will be king of the trade goods. A friend ask me the other day if there was going to riots in the streets and when did I think it would start. I told her I do believe there will be riots and it will start when she goes to Walmart and there shelves have no food on them. Get ready 'cause here it comes.

I have all the ammo I need. I have plenty for every gun I own. You might say I have a stockpile. It is not new. I have been buying and loading for years. I am working on a supply of food and water now.

marsofold
March 22, 2009, 01:49 PM
I keep about 100 rounds of self-defense factory ammo for my SRH 454 Casull. Plus reloading components sufficient for 10,000 rounds in reserve, never to be used except in a dire future teotwawki emergency. And 5000+ rounds of .22LR Velocitor ammo kept in reserve for my plinking rifle.

Elbert P . Suggins
March 22, 2009, 02:40 PM
Thanks Ratshooter, at least your light got turned on! And another thing that troubles me deeply are the 35 terrorist training camps that are open for business in this country and no one can close them because of their constitutional rights. I know what they are doing and everyone else should have a pretty good idea. Suicide bombers, radioactive dirty bombs set off in the middle of LA, Chicago, or New York would pretty much lock things down for a very long time. That disrupts supplies of goods, services, and money. The general urban population would not handle it very well at all. Maybe this new government wants to call them freedom fighters instead of terrorist but regardless they are out to destroy our system and kill as many of us as they can. This is not something to turn the page and go the sports section on.

Ratshooter
March 22, 2009, 02:51 PM
I haven't heard of any terrorist training camps, can you add more information? I listen to Coast to Coast nearly every night and have heard of the detention camps going up around the country. Terrorist training camps might be a good subject for a show. At least more people would here about it.

Elbert P . Suggins
March 22, 2009, 03:03 PM
It can be found on YouTube, just type in "terrorist camps" and it is an interview between Shawn Hannity and Martin Mawyer. I believe it was the second one down. If I knew how to give you a link I would do it. But that should get you there.

Ratshooter
March 22, 2009, 03:15 PM
Thanks, I'll have a look.

If you ever want to post a link it is easy. Just left click on the address bar at the top of the screen. The address will have a blue look to it. Then right click and a box will appear and you left click on "Copy".

To post the link in your reply there is a "Quote Box" at the top of the message box that you are typing in. It is the 4th from the right icon. Click on that and it will put [QUOTE][QUOTE] on your page. put the curser between the center ][ and right click. Select paste and it will put your link in there for you. Easy huh?

Hungry Seagull
March 22, 2009, 03:23 PM
Why do I have a disturbed feeling that no one will ever sleep until they recline upon a mountain of copper, brass and silver dug out to conform to the body so as to sleep well at night as a animal does.

Have we forgotten that we can only carry X bullets, X food and X necessary items and still be mobile?

I had a dream lastnight that bothered me. For some reason I had the Scooter Store sell me a chair for me, a rack for the guns, box for the bullets, a trailer hitch to hook onto 3 more chairs configured as carriers of cargo ranging from MRE's Trauma kits and other end of world stuff including extra batteries to make it all work.

At some point in your life, you are going to be too tired, too poor and probably too fed up with running, moving or going anywhere and plant your flag for the last time. Wherever it may be, I sure hope you will be happy there when these bad days come.

I recall a show I recently watched. A Survivalist was out, disconnected completely from the Grid, US Life, Society etc and patrols his patch of nothing somewhere in the US Southwest, miles from anything. While relieving himself a snake wrapped around his trigger of the weapon and it got him killed.

Something to think about.

How much is enough? I say a small ammo box for each caliber you carry is plenty. Anything more than that you are either going to be overrun and killed or you are living so far out none can walk that far and still attack you in any condition.

Elbert P . Suggins
March 22, 2009, 03:51 PM
Hungry Seagull, when you sit down that one last time and plant a flag, make sure it isn't white.

Hungry Seagull
March 22, 2009, 04:11 PM
No Sir, it will not be white. We are looking into several states, including Idaho at this time.

Cheers.

ConstitutionCowboy
March 22, 2009, 04:16 PM
One round of 308 equals one to two hundred pounds of venison. One 45-70 round can be equal to many hundreds of pounds of moose or elk or bear. One .22 round is equal to a squirrel dinner for one or a rabbit dinner for two.

I'm rich.

Woody

Oh yes, and buy those arms you've always wanted and a goodly stock of ammo. The time may come that all we'll have is how we've prepared ourselves today. B.E. Wood

Elbert P . Suggins
March 22, 2009, 04:19 PM
Great to hear Hungry Seagull! Come join us anytime you want. Open carry state and plenty to shoot at. 4 legged. You bring the ammo and I will supply the sandwiches and beer if you like. But only of course after we are done shooting. ;)

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