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Carl
March 17, 2009, 03:44 PM
Here's a great photo I found. I'm sure some of you have seen it before as well. It was taken in Montana Springs in the late 1880's. I'll try to label the men in the picture for you.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Celtic_fist/hunter_hot_springsnamed.jpg?t=1237318893

All famous gun-related careered men, whether they're lawmen or outlaws or ones that used a firearm or two to spend most of his life having revenge on the Crow Indians. To keep this even more gun related, it looks like Wyatt is holding a pistol of some kind, and Harry Longabaugh has some kind of scoped rifle. It's currently my background. Now if only the picture included Seth Bullock (Montana Marshall, first sucessful deputy of Deadwood, good friend of Roosevelt's) and Sol Star (business partner and deputy of Bullocks)

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mcwjr13
March 17, 2009, 03:46 PM
Cool pic thanks for sharing.

Ala Dan
March 17, 2009, 03:55 PM
Many thanks for sharing, as well as labeling those pictuered~! ;)

Gamera
March 17, 2009, 04:02 PM
I see mustaches were the popular thing that year.

gbw
March 17, 2009, 04:03 PM
Wiki has Holiday dying in late 1887, but Morgan Earp in early 1882...could be, I guess.

catspa
March 17, 2009, 04:07 PM
Doc looks quite dapper. Great pic.

Parker

conw
March 17, 2009, 04:09 PM
I knew mspaint was old, but I didn't know it was that old!

ants
March 17, 2009, 04:10 PM
Great photo, it has been making the rounds since about 2003. Experts confirm that the photo appears to be undoctored, but the alleged identities of the men have never been confirmed.

Comments on the photo I've seen in other publications: The photo is variously dated from 1883 to 1887, but some of these men would still be teenagers during that time frame. Biographies indicate that some of these men (maybe Roy Bean and Theodore Roosevelt, for instance) were far away from the site of the photgraph in the late 1880's. After leaving his ranch in the winter of 1885/86 Roosevelt was got married in London, followed by a 2 year honeymoon in Europe. Roy Bean was holding court 1500 miles south, probably unable to travel that distance to Montana to sit for a photograph, then return to south Texas without being missed.

Still a great photo, and several of the men really do look like the men purported to be represented.

CA_sharpshooter
March 17, 2009, 04:12 PM
very cool, quite a mix of people in that pic

NELSONs02
March 17, 2009, 04:13 PM
Hey not everyone has photoshop at their disposal.... Great pic though, What does sundance have in his lap?

Carl
March 17, 2009, 04:20 PM
Photoshop is complicated for me. I've been using MS paint and can do a whole lot better than most generally untrained people can do in Photoshop.

But yeah, that'd be pretty awesome if the photo was genuine. This thread will probably be locked soon though.

Shung
March 17, 2009, 04:24 PM
I thought that Jeremiah Johnson did never exist. The real man was John Johnston, and his life inspired the movie..

He was also a Sheriff in Red Lodge MT. I was there in 2004.

For me, all those people coulndt be there, at the same time.. Seems to me that, for example, Buch Cassidy should look much younger than some of the people portrayed there..

Anyway, a nice picture !

Carl
March 17, 2009, 04:28 PM
His real name is John Johnston, but the story is true. He was sometimes called Jeremiah Johnson but to most he was known as "Liver-Eating Johnson" That was the original name written down on the original image. I'll post it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Celtic_fist/sanders-hot-springs-hunters.jpg?t=1237321708

BCCL
March 17, 2009, 04:57 PM
Nice pic' but the 1883 date can't be right, at least for Morgan Earp.

mgkdrgn
March 17, 2009, 05:08 PM
Hmmmm, nice picture, but color me doubtfull. Why would Butch & Sundance be hanging around for a casual photograph with all those lawmen? President Roosevelt?

searcher451
March 17, 2009, 05:33 PM
This is one of those "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story ... or photo" kind of pictures. You have to be skeptical -- unless, of course, all of these guys had just joined the Secret Service and were there to help protect the president.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

bthest86
March 17, 2009, 05:52 PM
But TR wouldn't have been president until about 20 years after that photo.:p

Was TR even famous or well known in 1883? If not then isn't kind of strange that he would be labeled with all the well-known famous lawmen and outlaws years before he himself became famous while leading the Rough Riders?

Sorry but I don't believe the photo is real. Those people could be anybody AFAIC.

jeff-10
March 17, 2009, 06:07 PM
I wonder why Tom Horn and Frank James didn't stop by that day to get in on the shot also. :evil:

rainbowbob
March 17, 2009, 06:34 PM
Was TR even famous or well known in 1883?

That's a good question. TR would have only been 25 years old in 1883. That does not appear to be a 25 year old TR.

Neat photo though...thanks for sharing.

catspa
March 17, 2009, 07:18 PM
jeff-10:I wonder why Tom Horn and Frank James didn't stop by that day to get in on the shot also.

I can't speak for Tom Horn, but I'd wager Frank was far too busy keeping Jesse out of jail.

Parker

Shung
March 17, 2009, 07:47 PM
Tom was trying to find some 45-65 ammo... a new president was just elected, and those were flying off the shelves.. :p

Rembrandt
March 17, 2009, 07:58 PM
Here's a picture of Liver Eating Johnston....he was a sheriff in his later years, died in 1900....not sure when he quit eating injun livers? Both photos of him look similar.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Rembrandt51/johnson.jpg

DagoRed
March 17, 2009, 07:59 PM
It obviously was the first NRA convention. They were all firm believers in the 2A, so they came to show support.

Big Daddy Grim
March 17, 2009, 08:04 PM
I like the photo no matter what the reason.

Carl
March 17, 2009, 08:08 PM
We should turn this thread into "identify the firearm in the old photo" thread.

What does that look like in Johnson's hand? Winchester '66?

chris in va
March 17, 2009, 08:10 PM
Really doesn't look like TR to me.

And I was there!:p

Shung
March 17, 2009, 08:11 PM
What does that look like in Johnson's hand? Winchester '66?

not to me... the frame says it's neither 1866 nor 1873...

in the 1866 and 1873, the frame follows the stock line.. here we have a more angled frame..

86 ?

bthest86
March 17, 2009, 08:26 PM
Also don't they seem a little unarmed for a so called hunting party?

BTW I think I spotted some other famous people in that photo.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/bugfatty/famouspeople2.jpg

Waddison
March 17, 2009, 08:56 PM
If it is not "Photoshopped", why is there a window standing in front of a window behind Harry Britton and Charlie Chaplin? The shadows there don't look correct, either.
Shadow on Napoleon III falls forward on the step, shadow for Tsar Alexander should fall on the column behind him similar to Bat's shadow on Butch, Wyatt does not cast a shadow on the column he is "leaning" against.

I like the photo anyway, tho.

JM2C

Waddison

hso
March 17, 2009, 09:48 PM
Cool photo, but there are too many artifacts in it (shadows in opposition) for it to be authentic. If any part of it is shown to be doctored then all of it is in question. Sorry to be a kill joy.

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