CCW - weight vs speed ....
P95Carry
October 7, 2003, 10:24 PM
I am about 205 lbs and 6 feet ... but gettin on in years! (geez .. how self patronizing can I get!! :D ). Quite well muscled still tho but lacking in stamina .. but if needed ..... I can move - and fast!
I watched a guy earlier in a gas station store ... he was big ... I mean BIG!!! ...... his every move was sluggish.
Got me to thinking how things might be with a BG .... re weight factors.
Now let me say up front ... NO WAY am I pickin a fight with or flaming you really big guys ... no, not at all. But looking at things realistically ... I wondered whether we could in any way assume that a real large BG would by default be slower.??
Many times I'd say yes .... but then I know also that big guys can be surprisingly fast on their feet.
Looking at other side of coin ... if you as the GG are very large .. how much or lirttle might this affect your ability to move real quick??
I am although aging rapidly .. pretty nimble tho, I gotta say .. too much too fast for too long tho - and I'm a wreck of quivering jello!:D Not what I once was!!
Just wondering .. as ever ... for a take from others.:)
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jsalcedo
October 7, 2003, 10:28 PM
Reaction speed is a matter of training and genetic variables such as the
thickness of the nerve sheath in the area where the reaction is to take place.
Repeated practice cuts down reaction times considerably.
I don't think size has much to do with it unless the person is so heavy that quick motions are labored.
Black Snowman
October 7, 2003, 10:29 PM
If you have cable try and catch "Sumo Digest" sometime. You wouldn't believe how fast 350 lbs can move with training and motovation. Of course they're the extreme end of the spectrum. It's not likely, but don't count on anything.
I'm big for "Prepare for the worst, hope for the best" and try to avoid assumptions whenever possible.
El Tejon
October 7, 2003, 10:37 PM
I have those in my boxing clubs, big AND fast--big reach, big forearms, big hands, big legs. One of those we call "The Mountain" or "Mount _____". Truly the terror of the kwoon.
However, there's big and then there's flabby. Even if he is a stinking pile of mayo, if angry could be trouble. Never assume, if you do assume the worst.
Avoidance is the goal. Condition yourself and stay alert.:)
P95Carry
October 7, 2003, 10:40 PM
Black Snowman - you have brought up a great point there .... "Prepare for the worst, hope for the best" ...... and i could not agree more. Presumption is dangerous.... invariably.
I would certainly say ..... apply the rules I try and use when on motor cycle .. same as i tell my son with his biking too .....
''Never assume''
...... and........
''Expect the unexpected''.
Follow these and I guess you'll not get too big a surprise.!:p
C.R.Sam
October 8, 2003, 12:10 AM
Is he Fat or a Fullback.
Don't push luck.
Have more good luck.
Sam
Archie
October 8, 2003, 12:38 AM
However, my watchfulness has not.
Be aware of your surroundings; just like driving on the freeway. You have to go out in the world, but you don't have to be blind.
duckfoot
October 8, 2003, 05:33 AM
I'm 5'11" and 250lbs and am as fit as a person can get, I just look fat. I have played that to my advantage time and time again. It's just know one expects me to move as fast as I do when it comes time to go waltzing Matilda.
"Flying fatman" was my nick name in my old Dojo
Watch out for big guys, mass is hard to stop once it starts moving.
.02
243_shooter
October 8, 2003, 06:03 AM
My buddie is 6-4 , easily pushing the 350+ mark. If you saw him you wouldn't think he could get out of his own way..
In reaction time, and over short distances, the guy is like a cat. One of those people that have reaction times that are so fast, they are scary.
Maybe he's a freak, but I wouldn't want to tangle with him in anything that involved reaction time or brute strength (I'm 6 even, 200 lbs and he can literally pick me up over his head)..
I'm sure in 100 yds I'd seriously outdistance him without any trouble.
I guess the moral of the story is don't judge a book by it's cover? I know if any BG's were silly enough to try anything within about 5 feet of him they would be in for a seriously bad thrashing. That's if he didn't pull his CCW and ventilate them first :D
Leo
45King
October 8, 2003, 07:41 AM
Even a grossly overweight, out-of-shape, person with slow reaction times can be surprisingly quick over short distances. This is what the Teuller (sp?) drill is all about. Teuller is a MOS (don't remember rank or what dept.) who set up a series of "what if" scenarios and discovered that a fat man can go from being face down spread eagle to cutting your throat with a knife in about 1.5 seconds as long as the distance to be covered was no greater than 21 feet. 1.5 seconds is about normal human reaction time to observe, orient, decide, and act, so by the time the average person has gone completely through the OODA loop and is begining to react, the assilant is getting in his possibly fatal licks.
Don't let flabby bulk and poor physical conditioning fool you into letting your guard down at close ranges; it takes very little strength or stamina to move quickly over short distances. It has long been a recognized fact in combat that the more distance you can keep between you and your opponent, the less chance he has of doing damage to you. Distance equals time, and the more time you have to react, the better your chances of prevailing.
Kentucky Rifle
October 8, 2003, 08:31 AM
I'm 6'3" and 225 lbs. Accidents.... constant pain...my body has pretty well fell apart. Gotta use a G@# D@##$& cane a lot. Dark parking garge downtown. He thought that I was an easy mark. Popped up from the other side of a parked car. Found himself staring at the Gold Dot in my Seecamp.
Begged a little. I thought about shooting him anyway, but the "big guy" (and you Louisville people know who I'm talking about) has said he'll prosecute any CCDW holder who kills someone for MURDER, so I took his pistol and just had some fun scaring him. Not very smart to try to rob a mean old man with a cane. (And 3 guns on him.) Get some good holsters and gunbelts. Be aware. (And ready for a fast draw.)
KR
Soap
October 8, 2003, 04:15 PM
Don't underestimate anyone. I've met large people who couldn't walk a single flight of stairs without having a coronary. Then I've also met some large folk who look out of shape but play in the NFL. My solution: fight no one!
Of course there is also the morbidly obese. IME they have very slow reaction times, endurance, etc. But then again, it might not matter since luck may factor into their favor in a fight.
Top_Notch
October 8, 2003, 04:24 PM
My friend is about 6' 2" and well over 300 pounds. I'm 6' 2" 195#, which makes me very thin. I consider myself fleet of foot. My friend, on the otherhand, walks and talks like he is full of mollasses on a cold winters day. When we play football, that sucker can catch me...and I do everything I can not to be caught by someone 120+ pounds heavier than me. Looks can be very deceiving. (and when he catches me, it's not pretty):eek:
goalie
October 8, 2003, 04:56 PM
I have been a goalie since about, oh, 1974 when I turned 4. I may be 6-1, 200 pounds, but I have been having pucks hurled at me at 85-100 mph all of my adult life. It adds up to suprising leg and hand speed. Granted, I don't exactly look fat, but I am a pretty big goalie.
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