Colt 22 RF AR-15


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Gunther
March 19, 2009, 08:58 PM
Colt showed a 22 RF AR-15 at the Shot Show, has anyone seen or bought one yet or was it Vaporware???

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snake guy
March 19, 2009, 10:02 PM
I've seen them listed on-line (but not yet in stock) at a couple of places, so think it is real. There is also a S&W MP-15 in .22 LR as well

Here is an example for the Colt:

https://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=GM16

Baron
June 2, 2009, 08:34 PM
I bought one today :) It's cute - when I saw it I thought it was a regular AR with a 40-round mag as it's longer than a 30-rounder, that's when I noticed the spacer things in the port. It seems to be the M4 variant of the GSG. Fired about 150 rounds through it with a few FTEs and misfires using somewhat crappy bulf Wal-mart ammo - when I got home and read the manual I noticed that it's got an adjustment for bolt speed, so I'll slow the bolt down a bit to give the ejecting brass time to clear, and that will hopefully end the FTEs. As to FTFs, that can only be the ammo's fault, so I won't blame the gun.

All that said, I did shoot two or three full mags without a stoppage. It seemed to be fairly accurate. One nice plus was that the barrel seems to start 1.5" sooner than on a regular AR, so it appears to be a 14.5" barrel even though it's 16" - every mall ninja's wildest faux-NFA fantasy. Came with a removable carry handle that appears to be a standard AR carry handle. Fit and finish are great - just FYI it is only Colt's license; it's actually made my Walter in Germany, so it's still a quality piece. I paid $549 before tax/background check. It was an impulse buy but I'm glad I did. Basically, it feels and shoots just like a regular AR (complete with the somewhat gritty and heavy trigger). Great trainer and fun gun. The muzzle braze does screw off to reveal what appear to be 1/4"x28 threads - I hope I can find an adapter that will allow me to attach my 1/2"x28 suppressor.

Another cause for mall ninja ecstasy is that in order to fire, you must move the selector switch 180 degrees to where full auto would be on an M4.

Also, it's wonderful to get a semi .22 with a 30 round mag; further, it's easy to load. Great little gun.

jdh
June 2, 2009, 11:30 PM
Specs:
http://www.colt22rimfire.com/index.php?page=technical-rifles

Manual:
http://www.colt22rimfire.com/uploads/pdfs/Manual-Colt-22-TacticalRimfire.pdf

Accy:
http://www.colt22rimfire.com/index.php?page=accessories

kwelz
June 3, 2009, 02:46 AM
I have seen them at my local shop. Not 100% sold on them yet. they feel pretty cheap, not near the quality of a GSG or similar. However It is tempting.

ParaElite
June 3, 2009, 02:42 PM
I was at the gun show last weekend and saw the AR in 22 lr which is made in Germany and Colt, for a small sum, allowed them to use their name. What whores! What the heck was Colt thinking? A quick buck made from desperate gun buyers? That product is a piece of crap, visually and materially.
You are better off, buying a dedicated upper made by Spike or others. There are air soft products out there that are better than this piece of crap!

The Alder Jager looked like a much better product with no pretensions! A pity, because I don't believe you can get it any longer.

Lloyd Smale
June 4, 2009, 08:07 AM
there made by walthers and are not junk. My buddy picked one up the other day and has run about 500 rounds of mixed ammo though his and it hasnt missed a beat and is very accurate. Makes more sense to me to buy a dedicated .22 ar then a conversion. the whole gun cost about the same as a conversion and is designed from the git go to be a 22 and is going to be more reliable and accurate then any conversion

Baron
June 5, 2009, 02:50 AM
PE, you either saw a bad example or are just crazy. I own a DPMS, Rock River, S&W M&P-15, and four Sabre Defense ARs. And, of course, a Colt/Walther .22. I wouldn't have a problems saying that visually and materially it is on par with these other guns. The hiccups mine experienced were likely due to the setting of the bolt speed, which I will address ONCE I CAN ACTUALLY GET THE PINS OUT OF THE LOWER RECEIVER; let me spell that out again. The gun is so tight that I am unable to remove the pin from the lower to facilitate disassembly. The mark of crap? I think not.

This gun is an outstanding idea for all the reasons stated by LS. And if you think Walther is crap, you ought to shoot a few Walthers before you callously accuse Colt of whoring.

Rubber_Duck
June 5, 2009, 03:16 AM
I got to check one of these new Colt rimfires today and I have to say I was very impressed with the feel. The selector moves all the way back 180 degress as if you were moving it to the AUTO position on a regular select-fire carbine and the barrel seems to start farther back so from the outside it appears to be a true 14.5" M4 barrel. Pretty cool!! The whole gun felt sturdy with no looseness or rattles at all, however when I flick my finger against the metal receiver it didn't quite feel like a normal AR. Pot metal perhaps? Also, the mags look funky.

I like that everything feels and operates like the full-size 5.56mm AR, and I'd like to see how it compares to a regular 5.56mm AR-15 equipped with a Spike's 22 conversion kit. The price for the one I saw here today was $650, a bit steep IMO.

WoofersInc
June 5, 2009, 09:22 PM
I picked up one of these today. I am impressed with it. Fit and finish are very good. Feels just like a standard AR. I paid $550 plus tax so they are right were they anticipated the pricing. One nice feature for me was that the flash hider screws off and a thread adapter for a Walther P22 fits perfectly letting me use my suppressors for it. I ran a full mag of subsonics through it suppressed and had 0 malfunctions. I did not have time to test any further though. Another nice feature is that bolt speed is adjustable for various bullet velocities.
They are going to sell a ton of these things without a doubt.

Iansstud
June 5, 2009, 09:32 PM
flash hider screws off and a thread adapter for a Walther P22 fits perfectly letting me use my suppressors for it.
thats funny, I put my ar-15 bird cage on my P22 as a joke

Baron
June 19, 2009, 04:58 PM
Update - after frequent stovepipes with cheapo Federal brick .22, I began playing with the adjustable bolt speed. I adjusted it about as much as humanly possible but couldn't get it to be reliable. Tried about 20 rounds of Winchester "333" and had no malfunctions, so I'm thinking that better quality (higher cost) ammo is the answer as usual.

Here's my question, particularly for Woofers - if this thing will demand higher-velocity ammo, is there any hope of finding ammo that will make it run yet stay subsonic? Minimags will run about anything (heck, they run my Mosquito) but of course they'll be supersonic out of a 16" barrel. Any luck, anybody?

gvnwst
June 19, 2009, 05:08 PM
there made by walthers and are not junk.
Uhh...no they ain't. They are made by Umarex, the parents company of walther. Unlike walther though, umarex has a bad rep with guns.

rcmodel
June 19, 2009, 05:13 PM
Well, regardless of that, it's safe to assume the Colt and the S&W are both the same gun with different names on them then?

S&W = Walther U.S.A. = Umarex = Colt???

rc

gvnwst
June 19, 2009, 05:58 PM
Well, regardless of that, it's safe to assume the Colt and the S&W are both the same gun with different names on them then?

Probably close enough...a few design changes, just for patent stuff, most likely.

S&W = Walther U.S.A. = Umarex = Colt???
This is how i understand it...S&W imports for walther, Umarex makes the guns under Walthers name. Colt decided they didn't wanna touch a .22lr AR, and so had Umarex do it, cause Umarex is good at copying designs...

prescobd
June 19, 2009, 07:03 PM
Saw them at a gun store today. Didn't even know they were being produced. At first I thougt it was a 6920 until I saw the price tag and then the caliber marked on the tag. I was tempted to get one as a cheap (ammo) training aid to my 6920. Good thing I didn't according to this thread they are going for around $550. The store I was at wanted $649.

steven58
June 19, 2009, 07:51 PM
Assuming you have an AR, Why get such a :barf: for $$:what:$$ when you could get a nice designated .22 upper for the same or less money?

Or, you could just get a converter such as being put out by Spikes, CMMG and Ciener for about $200. I have a Ciener that works great in my POF upper. It's at 3,000+ rounds with no problems that were not ammo related.

If you don't have an AR, I would buy a 10/22 and tart it up with aftermarket "bling" to make it AR-esque before I would buy one of the Colt imports.

WoofersInc
June 19, 2009, 10:19 PM
Here's my question, particularly for Woofers - if this thing will demand higher-velocity ammo, is there any hope of finding ammo that will make it run yet stay subsonic? Minimags will run about anything (heck, they run my Mosquito) but of course they'll be supersonic out of a 16" barrel. Any luck, anybody?

So far mine has been running on the Remington Subsonics. I had to play with the bolt speed a little, but now it is doing just fine with them.

ugaarguy
June 19, 2009, 10:33 PM
Well, regardless of that, it's safe to assume the Colt and the S&W are both the same gun with different names on them then?

S&W = Walther U.S.A. = Umarex = Colt???
From what I've been told, no. The S&W is supposedly going to be US made. Supposedly Umarex negotiated the Colt contract and pissed S&W off in the process. I'll believe it for sure when I see one of the S&W's delivered.

Bill2e
June 20, 2009, 12:28 AM
:what:They are nice, I looked at one the other day but it had a $999.00 price tag on it. Nothing like an honest shop/:what::what::what::what:

.45Guy
June 20, 2009, 01:58 AM
There are two of them at ye local gonne shoppe for ~$590

WoofersInc
June 20, 2009, 01:04 PM
Well, regardless of that, it's safe to assume the Colt and the S&W are both the same gun with different names on them then?

S&W = Walther U.S.A. = Umarex = Colt???

Not the same guns at all. The Colt is a metal body/receiver. According to the spec sheets, the S&W is going to be an all polymer receiver.

They are nice, I looked at one the other day but it had a $999.00 price tag on it. Nothing like an honest shop/

Time to find a new shop. I paid $549 for mine at a shop here in Vegas. The gun show last weekend had a bunch of them with most being priced at under $600.

ifit
June 21, 2009, 03:11 AM
i placed an order, should be in about couple of days now cant wait. but found some reviews of the colt/umarex m4

thanks to the guys at www.mytactical22.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtmNhHgOQIc

then the field review test firing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeSp9eCfcKw

thanks to nillaoooarms at youtube for, on how to install magpul UBR stock on the colt/umarex m4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pKM6khXryw

Quiet
June 21, 2009, 03:27 AM
Umarex = airsoft distributor/manufacturer.
Colt M-4 .22LR = Umarex made using Walther made barrel.

2RCO
June 21, 2009, 04:53 AM
I bought the one through my local FFL ....supposed to get here next week by Wed. ---I hate waiting....

I looked at one he'd sold another guy and liked it quite a bit. At $550 I think it's a helluva good deal.

wally
June 21, 2009, 08:54 PM
Update - after frequent stovepipes with cheapo Federal brick .22, I began playing with the adjustable bolt speed. I adjusted it about as much as humanly possible but couldn't get it to be reliable. Tried about 20 rounds of Winchester "333" and had no malfunctions, so I'm thinking that better quality (higher cost) ammo is the answer as usual.

The Spike's Tactical .22LR upper is test fired at the factory with Federal Bulk Pack from Wal*Mart -- these guys understand why people want theses things -- to shoot cheap ammo!

Mine has been 100% so far with a bunch of the Black Dog mags and a couple of Federal Bulk Packs.

IMHO any non-match .22LR that doesn't function with the cheap .22 ammo is missing the whole point!

--wally.

steven58
June 21, 2009, 10:38 PM
+1 on a Spikes!

check out the specs on the 100% MADE IN USA Spikes upper here:

http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=122

Compare to the Umarex which has a "full metal body". Wow! that's quite a plus, if it's airsoft...:neener:

And who has ever had a .22 that needed to have the bolt speed adjusted to function reliably?:rolleyes:

Even if you don't own an AR now, if you buy the Spikes and a lower you have the most modular weapons system ever devised. Down the road you can add any and all of the uppers you want. From .223 to .50 BMG and everything in between.

Check at AR15.com for reviews on both...

Or for $ 225.00 drop a 10/22 into a Nordic Conversion kit here:

http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.10.php

For slightly less you can bling up a 10/22 to mimic an AR here:
http://www.rbprecision.com/id72.htm

WoofersInc
June 22, 2009, 11:00 AM
I can understand people talking up the Spike's or other upper conversions. Where the Colt and S&W come into it though is for people like me who don't want to be changing things out. I want to go shoot and be able to pick up a gun and fire. I don't want to have to decide "OK, time for 22" and swap out an upper. Then have to switch back.
I know someone will now say I'm being lazy or it only takes a second to change out the upper.
I like the fact that I have a dedicated 22LR AR. It's the same reason I bought the Kimber Rimfire Target instead of a conversion for one of my 1911's

steven58
June 22, 2009, 12:24 PM
I agree in that I would never pass up an excuse to own another gun:D

My point of view is if you are going to buy a $600.00 .22 AR there are better choices than Umarex.

You can get a bargain lower, put on the Spikes upper and have a great rifle.
Later you can add a match grade trigger from any number of manufacturers.
Upgrade the stock to a Magpull or whatever you wish. Sky's the limit.

You can do the same with the 10/22 in the AR style Nordic conversion kit for less money. Down the road upgrading trigger, and or bbl.

There are mountains of quality upgrades for both of these proven and popular systems.

If you spend $ 600 ish on the Umarex, it am what it am and thats all that it am:p

ParaElite
June 22, 2009, 04:45 PM
I still say the Colt Umarex are crap. How could anyone compare them to the Spike and CMMG dedicated uppers?
The only thing in them that is made by Walther is the barrel. I have air pistol and rifles made by mediocre companies with barrels made by Walther. Go ahead and pay $500-600+ for garbage. I for one don't have that much good money to throw after bad ideas! It takes more than a barrel - it's the whole package. I will stick with the Spike and CMMG models.

dispatch55126
June 22, 2009, 04:52 PM
This post ain't nuthin' without pics.

wally
June 22, 2009, 05:34 PM
Spikes Tactical on YHM lower with Barska red dot:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=100119&stc=1&d=1245702762

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=100120&stc=1&d=1245702838

--wally.

ifit
June 22, 2009, 07:32 PM
well said wolfersinc, found some pics floating around colt/umarex m4

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/0f9c584ccfd639ef6d02555926918c6b200.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/3f319e6788c03f6a4d7d69698e2f6323200.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/341ab075e0a47452b9b60052bb5b9646200.jpg

CajunBass
June 22, 2009, 09:11 PM
I looked at a couple yesterday at "my" shop. I know little and nothing about AR's so I'll just say that one had the carry handle, the other was a flat top with rails. They were priced in the 550 range for one, the other was just over 600 but I don't remember the exact numbers.

They looked pretty good to me, but like I said I don't know much about AR's and have never wanted one really, but I'm thinking one of these might be fun to have.

2RCO
June 22, 2009, 09:53 PM
Right on Woofers.

I don't feel like swapping uppers all the time. Maybe I'm lazy or like guns too much but I'd rather be able to shoot .22 out of a dedicated .22lr and shoot 5.56 out of another rifle.

I also think the $550 I paid is pretty reasonable for something that is out of the box and I don't have to mess with it.

Quiet
June 22, 2009, 09:53 PM
FYI.
The Colt/Umarex M-4 .22LR magazines are not compatible with any of the .22LR AR conversion magazines.

wally
June 23, 2009, 12:06 AM
I don't feel like swapping uppers all the time. Maybe I'm lazy or like guns too much but I'd rather be able to shoot .22 out of a dedicated .22lr and shoot 5.56 out of another rifle.

No reason you can't buy a stripped lower and parts kit to dedicate to the Spikes Tactical .22 Upper. If TSHTF, you then have a spare lower for your real gun, that the Colt.Umarex .22 can't provide.

--wally.

TechBrute
June 23, 2009, 12:57 AM
I find it laughable how many people have opinions about the quality of something they don't own themselves and has only been on the market for a matter of a very few weeks.

As usual, the lack of information hasn't stopped anyone from having an opinion.

No reason you can't buy a stripped lower and parts kit to dedicate to the Spikes Tactical .22 Upper.

All the cool kids get COLE marked Spike's lowers... stamped .22LR

HorseSoldier
June 23, 2009, 01:09 AM
The only thing in them that is made by Walther is the barrel.

The side of the rifle actually says Carl Walther made the whole rifle and Umarex is only the importer. Since there appears to be some sort of common ownership issues there this might be a bit of legal tomfoolery, but the one I looked at had matching serial numbers and German proofmarks on both the barrel and the bolt (as well as another proof mark visible down near the trigger group), which suggests to me that Walther didn't "just build the barrel."

atblis
June 23, 2009, 01:24 AM
What does the P22 say on it?

porschedog
December 3, 2009, 08:50 PM
I ordered one last week - M4 carbine version - $509 w'/free shipping. I'll post pics when it arrives next week.

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