gun-fucious
October 7, 2003, 11:08 PM
Tom Brokaw pretty much just gave the election to the Kennedy's Austrian import.
Arrrrnold is recalling Davis
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gun-fucious
October 7, 2003, 11:12 PM
Schwarzenegger wins in California
http://www.msnbc.com/news/945950.asp?0cv=CA01
Gov. Gray Davis
defeated in bid
to rebuff recall
_
Arnold Schwarzenegger is swarmed by the media Tuesday after he voted in Pacific Palisades, Calif.
_
NBC, MSNBC AND NEWS SERVICES
Oct. 7 — _Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Austrian-born policeman’s son-turned-actor who began his quest to be governor of California on a TV talk show, won the office Tuesday night as voters rejected the embattled Gov. Gray Davis in a closely watched, at times bizarre campaign, calling for change in the direction of the nation’s most populous state and its battered economy, the world’s fifth-largest.
WITH LONG LINES but only sporadic complaints about the long ballot, Californians went to the polls to decide Davis’ fate in higher numbers than in any gubernatorial election in the last 21 years, election officials predicted. By late afternoon, 60 percent turnout for the recall vote appeared likely, Secretary of State spokeswoman Terri Carbaugh said. That would be higher than every gubernatorial election in California since 1982, when turnout was 70 percent.
_ _ _ _Cash-strapped California had only a few months to prepare for the special election, resulting in 10,000 fewer polling places than in past elections. Lines stretched outside many polling places, but many voters said they made it to the voting booth quickly, even if they had to wade through 135 names on the ballot.
_ _ _ _Absentee voting was unusually high. California’s 58 counties were already processing the 2.2 million absentee ballots turned in before Tuesday; statewide, voters had requested 3.2 million absentee ballots, and many of these will not be counted until after election day.
_ _ _ _“It’s below a presidential race, but we’re at the equivalent or higher than a gubernatorial race. It’s still hitting smack in the middle of that range,” said Kristin Heffron, the chief deputy registrar in Los Angeles County.
_ _ _ _
LAST-DAY CONCERNS
_ _ _ _Davis fought to avoid becoming the nation’s first governor in 82 years to be recalled from office. He was elected to a second term just 11 months ago, but with less than 50 percent of the vote, dragged down by his personal unpopularity and voters’ anger over the state’s struggling economy.
_ _ _ _Recent polls suggested voters favored throwing the Democratic incumbent out of office and installing the moderate Republican Schwarzenegger. But it was uncertain whether the “Terminator” star’s appeal had been tarnished by 11th-hour allegations that he groped women and spoke admiringly of Adolf Hitler.
_ _ _ _Hundreds of Republican and Democratic party lawyers scoured polling places Tuesday for irregularities. Polling stations were scheduled to close at 8 p.m. PT (11 p.m. ET), but Democratic officials said they would be ready to seek an injunction to keep polls open later if they found any problems or delays in the voting.
_ _ _ _Democratic officials said they were especially concerned about potential problems in Los Angeles County, where most voters were using a punch-card ballot. The county is also using 60 percent fewer polling sites than in last November’s general election.
_ _ _ _
NBC EXIT POLL FINDS UNHAPPY VOTERS
The early poll data is based on interviews with more than 1,400 voters as they left 60 precincts across the state on Tuesday.
_ _ _ _Voters expressed opinions on other questions in NBC News exit polling. The polls consistently found substantial voter discontent with Davis’ performance. The voters interviewed after casting their ballots Tuesday were also not pleased with the leadership that the Democratic incumbent has shown. Fully half of the voters said they strongly disapprove of the job that Davis has done as governor; nearly one in four somewhat disapproves of his work.
_ _ _ _On the other side, just about one in four voters approves of the job Davis has done, with 7 percent giving him strong approval and 20 percent expressing a more reserved positive view.
_ _ _ _By late afternoon, nearly three-quarters of voters — 72 percent — said they disapprove of the job Davis has done as governor.
_ _ _ _Many voters had already voted using absentee ballots. But among those who voted in person thus far Tuesday, only 10 percent said they made up their minds in the past week. Fully 83 percent said they had decided over a month ago.
_ _ _ _The NBC News exit poll on the California recall election is based on interviews with voters outside polling places on Tuesday across the state, as well as with those who voted by absentee ballot.
_ _ _ _The early exit poll data is based on interviews with more than 2,415 voters as they left 60 precincts across the state on Tuesday. In addition, the data includes the results of telephone interviews with 400 California citizens who voted via absentee ballots before Election Day. The telephone interviews were conducted from Sept. 29 through Oct. 5.
_ _ _ _
‘ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIC’
_ _ _ _Davis and the leading candidates to replace him, meanwhile, had all voted by midday.
_ _ _ _“I feel absolutely terrific,” said Davis, a Democrat, who voted in West Hollywood. “I have always trusted the voters of California, and I know they’re going to do the right thing today.”
_ _ _ _Schwarzenegger, whom opinion polls had shown as the leading replacement candidate, created a stir when he arrived to vote with his wife, Maria Shriver, at a Pacific Palisades mansion. Hundreds of people were there, most of them reporters and photographers.
_ _ _ _(Shriver is on leave from “Dateline NBC.” MSNBC is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC News.)
_ _ _ _Schwarzenegger said he had no trouble going through the 135 candidates to find his name at his polling place in Los Angeles: “You always look for the longest name.”
_ _ _ _
CHARACTER MATTERS
_ _ _ _While officials expected a heavy turnout, others said campaign mudslinging could have turned off many potential voters.
__Polls close in:
_ _ _ _The final days of campaigning focused on character instead of issues, largely because of sexual misconduct allegations against Schwarzenegger, who acknowledged that he had “behaved badly” in the past but accused Davis of “dirty campaigning.”
_ _ _ _That did not stop the Democratic Party machine, which has been running television ads asking women if they really wanted a governor who was facing allegations that he groped women. The impact of the issue was difficult to predict, however, because 2 million voters had already cast absentee ballots before the allegations surfaced Thursday.
_ _ _ _Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, the only prominent Democrat on the ballot, and Republican state Sen. Tom McClintock remained the only other candidates polling in double digits.
_ _ _ _
RESULTS COULD BE SLOW
_ _ _ _A close vote could delay the results for days, while also leading to recount demands.
_ _ _ _The chaotic campaign, which survived a handful of legal challenges after a Republican-led effort brought it to the ballot, was without parallel in the Golden State.
_ _ _ _Those who did turn out were asked to choose the ending of a saga that has captivated the nation for months: whether Davis becomes the nation’s second governor to be recalled, and if so, who should replace him. The governor of North Dakota, recalled in 1921, is the only U.S. governor to ever be voted out of office in a special recall election.
_ _ _ _There have been 31 previous attempts to force a recall vote in California, including three against Gov. Ronald Reagan in the 1960s. All but a handful failed to gather enough petition signatures to force an election.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/945950.asp?0cv=CA01
Gov. Gray Davis
defeated in bid
to rebuff recall
_
Arnold Schwarzenegger is swarmed by the media Tuesday after he voted in Pacific Palisades, Calif.
_
NBC, MSNBC AND NEWS SERVICES
Oct. 7 — _Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Austrian-born policeman’s son-turned-actor who began his quest to be governor of California on a TV talk show, won the office Tuesday night as voters rejected the embattled Gov. Gray Davis in a closely watched, at times bizarre campaign, calling for change in the direction of the nation’s most populous state and its battered economy, the world’s fifth-largest.
WITH LONG LINES but only sporadic complaints about the long ballot, Californians went to the polls to decide Davis’ fate in higher numbers than in any gubernatorial election in the last 21 years, election officials predicted. By late afternoon, 60 percent turnout for the recall vote appeared likely, Secretary of State spokeswoman Terri Carbaugh said. That would be higher than every gubernatorial election in California since 1982, when turnout was 70 percent.
_ _ _ _Cash-strapped California had only a few months to prepare for the special election, resulting in 10,000 fewer polling places than in past elections. Lines stretched outside many polling places, but many voters said they made it to the voting booth quickly, even if they had to wade through 135 names on the ballot.
_ _ _ _Absentee voting was unusually high. California’s 58 counties were already processing the 2.2 million absentee ballots turned in before Tuesday; statewide, voters had requested 3.2 million absentee ballots, and many of these will not be counted until after election day.
_ _ _ _“It’s below a presidential race, but we’re at the equivalent or higher than a gubernatorial race. It’s still hitting smack in the middle of that range,” said Kristin Heffron, the chief deputy registrar in Los Angeles County.
_ _ _ _
LAST-DAY CONCERNS
_ _ _ _Davis fought to avoid becoming the nation’s first governor in 82 years to be recalled from office. He was elected to a second term just 11 months ago, but with less than 50 percent of the vote, dragged down by his personal unpopularity and voters’ anger over the state’s struggling economy.
_ _ _ _Recent polls suggested voters favored throwing the Democratic incumbent out of office and installing the moderate Republican Schwarzenegger. But it was uncertain whether the “Terminator” star’s appeal had been tarnished by 11th-hour allegations that he groped women and spoke admiringly of Adolf Hitler.
_ _ _ _Hundreds of Republican and Democratic party lawyers scoured polling places Tuesday for irregularities. Polling stations were scheduled to close at 8 p.m. PT (11 p.m. ET), but Democratic officials said they would be ready to seek an injunction to keep polls open later if they found any problems or delays in the voting.
_ _ _ _Democratic officials said they were especially concerned about potential problems in Los Angeles County, where most voters were using a punch-card ballot. The county is also using 60 percent fewer polling sites than in last November’s general election.
_ _ _ _
NBC EXIT POLL FINDS UNHAPPY VOTERS
The early poll data is based on interviews with more than 1,400 voters as they left 60 precincts across the state on Tuesday.
_ _ _ _Voters expressed opinions on other questions in NBC News exit polling. The polls consistently found substantial voter discontent with Davis’ performance. The voters interviewed after casting their ballots Tuesday were also not pleased with the leadership that the Democratic incumbent has shown. Fully half of the voters said they strongly disapprove of the job that Davis has done as governor; nearly one in four somewhat disapproves of his work.
_ _ _ _On the other side, just about one in four voters approves of the job Davis has done, with 7 percent giving him strong approval and 20 percent expressing a more reserved positive view.
_ _ _ _By late afternoon, nearly three-quarters of voters — 72 percent — said they disapprove of the job Davis has done as governor.
_ _ _ _Many voters had already voted using absentee ballots. But among those who voted in person thus far Tuesday, only 10 percent said they made up their minds in the past week. Fully 83 percent said they had decided over a month ago.
_ _ _ _The NBC News exit poll on the California recall election is based on interviews with voters outside polling places on Tuesday across the state, as well as with those who voted by absentee ballot.
_ _ _ _The early exit poll data is based on interviews with more than 2,415 voters as they left 60 precincts across the state on Tuesday. In addition, the data includes the results of telephone interviews with 400 California citizens who voted via absentee ballots before Election Day. The telephone interviews were conducted from Sept. 29 through Oct. 5.
_ _ _ _
‘ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIC’
_ _ _ _Davis and the leading candidates to replace him, meanwhile, had all voted by midday.
_ _ _ _“I feel absolutely terrific,” said Davis, a Democrat, who voted in West Hollywood. “I have always trusted the voters of California, and I know they’re going to do the right thing today.”
_ _ _ _Schwarzenegger, whom opinion polls had shown as the leading replacement candidate, created a stir when he arrived to vote with his wife, Maria Shriver, at a Pacific Palisades mansion. Hundreds of people were there, most of them reporters and photographers.
_ _ _ _(Shriver is on leave from “Dateline NBC.” MSNBC is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC News.)
_ _ _ _Schwarzenegger said he had no trouble going through the 135 candidates to find his name at his polling place in Los Angeles: “You always look for the longest name.”
_ _ _ _
CHARACTER MATTERS
_ _ _ _While officials expected a heavy turnout, others said campaign mudslinging could have turned off many potential voters.
__Polls close in:
_ _ _ _The final days of campaigning focused on character instead of issues, largely because of sexual misconduct allegations against Schwarzenegger, who acknowledged that he had “behaved badly” in the past but accused Davis of “dirty campaigning.”
_ _ _ _That did not stop the Democratic Party machine, which has been running television ads asking women if they really wanted a governor who was facing allegations that he groped women. The impact of the issue was difficult to predict, however, because 2 million voters had already cast absentee ballots before the allegations surfaced Thursday.
_ _ _ _Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, the only prominent Democrat on the ballot, and Republican state Sen. Tom McClintock remained the only other candidates polling in double digits.
_ _ _ _
RESULTS COULD BE SLOW
_ _ _ _A close vote could delay the results for days, while also leading to recount demands.
_ _ _ _The chaotic campaign, which survived a handful of legal challenges after a Republican-led effort brought it to the ballot, was without parallel in the Golden State.
_ _ _ _Those who did turn out were asked to choose the ending of a saga that has captivated the nation for months: whether Davis becomes the nation’s second governor to be recalled, and if so, who should replace him. The governor of North Dakota, recalled in 1921, is the only U.S. governor to ever be voted out of office in a special recall election.
_ _ _ _There have been 31 previous attempts to force a recall vote in California, including three against Gov. Ronald Reagan in the 1960s. All but a handful failed to gather enough petition signatures to force an election.
USAFA
October 7, 2003, 11:20 PM
My absentee ballot hasn't been counted yet, I still have hope (or delusion).:evil:
Combat-wombat
October 7, 2003, 11:20 PM
Arrgh! Better change my "Tom McClintock for governor" tagline.
Schuey2002
October 7, 2003, 11:22 PM
So long, Grey Davis!!
Moparmike
October 7, 2003, 11:25 PM
“I feel absolutely terrific,” said Davis, a Democrat, who voted in West Hollywood. “I have always trusted the voters of California, and I know they’re going to do the right thing today.”Sort of. If McClintock had won, they most certainly would have done the right thing.
Monkeyleg
October 7, 2003, 11:25 PM
Not to worry, Combat-wombat. From the stories I heard tonight, the Davis folks are already mustering lawyers for a recall of Schwarzenegger.
Standing Wolf
October 7, 2003, 11:26 PM
Good riddance, Red Davis!
QuickDraw
October 7, 2003, 11:30 PM
Well.....
While not completely overjoyed,it could be worse.
At least "We the people" went out and voted for the recall,that
says something! :D
Now time will tell how ole' Arny does.
All in all,I'll accept the results as a "sort of" victory.
QuickDraw
While not completely overjoyed,it could be worse.
At least "We the people" went out and voted for the recall,that
says something! :D
Now time will tell how ole' Arny does.
All in all,I'll accept the results as a "sort of" victory.
QuickDraw
El Tejon
October 7, 2003, 11:30 PM
Hasta la vista, socialism!
(Hey, I can dream, can't I).:D
(Hey, I can dream, can't I).:D
Pumpkinheaver
October 7, 2003, 11:41 PM
Isn't NBC one of the networks that said Al Gore had won in '00?
Zer000
October 7, 2003, 11:55 PM
Well, I didn't vote for him, but I'm not exactly sad that Arnold has won. *shrug* Could have been a lot worse. I'll take Arnold over Davis any day.
You can view up to date results straight from the horse's mouth at http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/00.htm
I can't belive that Larry Flynt came in seventh! :what:
You can view up to date results straight from the horse's mouth at http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/00.htm
I can't belive that Larry Flynt came in seventh! :what:
Bill Hook
October 7, 2003, 11:59 PM
I can't belive that Larry Flynt came in seventh!
I can.
Heck, isn't the porn industry one of Kali's largest employers?
I can.
Heck, isn't the porn industry one of Kali's largest employers?
joe4702
October 8, 2003, 12:08 AM
Looks like we'll get to see if Arnold will sign or veto any gun control bills that make it to his desk over the next 3 years. I'm especially concerned about the proposed 10 cent per-round ammo and reloading tax, which would be another huge blow to gun rights in the state.
USAFA
October 8, 2003, 12:10 AM
Only 14% of the counties have reported so far, and don't forget all the absentee ballots. I AM NOT giving up hope until it's all over.
USAFA
October 8, 2003, 12:15 AM
What do you think Arnolds first words will be to Bustamonte on their first day at work togethor?
Shane
October 8, 2003, 12:18 AM
Hasta la vista (forgive my spelling), Gray Davis. Don't let the door hit your rear end on the way out.....I wouldn't want to see the door damaged.
While I don't trust Arnold either (I think he's a liberal in Conservative clothing), I certainly think its a GREAT thing to get Davis out of office.
While I don't trust Arnold either (I think he's a liberal in Conservative clothing), I certainly think its a GREAT thing to get Davis out of office.
C.R.Sam
October 8, 2003, 12:22 AM
Davis fought to avoid becoming the nation’s first governor in 82 years to be recalled from office. Reporter sho hasn't kept track of Arizona governer longevity. We impeach em, recall em .... and elect more smarmy ones.
Sam
Sam
chaim
October 8, 2003, 12:23 AM
I can't belive that Larry Flynt came in seventh! Yeah, me too. We are talking about CA, I'd have expected him to do far better.:neener: Maybe the porn star who is in the top 12 took away too many of his votes.:p
gun-fucious
October 8, 2003, 12:28 AM
well now that Arnold is a governor
and Jesse was a governor
what state will Carl Weathers govern?
and Jesse was a governor
what state will Carl Weathers govern?
Bill Hook
October 8, 2003, 12:30 AM
Bruce Willis before Carl.
Geech
October 8, 2003, 12:32 AM
Wow, I hadn't expected Arnold to have such a comfortable margin over Bustamante, especially with McClintock in the race. (51.1 vs 30.4 right now) Maybe it'll shrink some as more votes are counted.
Ladybug
October 8, 2003, 12:33 AM
I love how the map on the Sec. of State's website shows the colors for each county's majority vote - and the SF Bay Area is RED RED RED!!!! HA ha ha I'm easily amused.
This should be very interesting... I hope Arnie doesn't screw things up more and give the REDs more ammo against Republicans
This should be very interesting... I hope Arnie doesn't screw things up more and give the REDs more ammo against Republicans
Mike Irwin
October 8, 2003, 12:34 AM
CNN had Arriana Huffington and the California politico, Issa(?) going back and forth...
Huffington is a REAL piece of work...
Huffington is a REAL piece of work...
Ladybug
October 8, 2003, 12:36 AM
Didn't she drop out of the race a while ago??
Geech
October 8, 2003, 12:38 AM
I thought so. I thought Bill Simon had dropped out of the race, too, but his name is still listed as having votes. Maybe people wrote their names in?
Ladybug
October 8, 2003, 12:42 AM
Actually, I THINK the ballots couldn't be changed (this is CA after all) so people who dropped out were still listed, it's just that people are too dumb to know their candidate is no long in the running (this is CA after all)....
USAFA
October 8, 2003, 12:51 AM
Not sure if they've counted any of the absentee ballots, but I know I cast my vote three weeks ago, and if McClintock had dropped out then technically I'd be voting for someone who wasn't in the race. Personally I agree with Ladybugs theory, but...
Blain
October 8, 2003, 12:54 AM
well now that Arnold is a governor
and Jesse was a governor
what state will Carl Weathers govern?
http://www.coldfusionvideo.com/p/predator-d-good.jpg
(Carl Weathers on the right)
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.film.warka.pl/images/wszechy/predator.jpg
http://www.coldfusionvideo.com/p/predator-c.jpg
The Flash suppressor isn't too effective on that gun, is it? LOL! [list]
http://www.coldfusionvideo.com/p/predator-a.jpg
Also a legendary governor. Who's got time to bleed???
and Jesse was a governor
what state will Carl Weathers govern?
http://www.coldfusionvideo.com/p/predator-d-good.jpg
(Carl Weathers on the right)
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.film.warka.pl/images/wszechy/predator.jpg
http://www.coldfusionvideo.com/p/predator-c.jpg
The Flash suppressor isn't too effective on that gun, is it? LOL! [list]
http://www.coldfusionvideo.com/p/predator-a.jpg
Also a legendary governor. Who's got time to bleed???
Jim March
October 8, 2003, 12:59 AM
Right, Simon is still on the ballot...but he's getting beat by Larry Flynt!
Oooo, that's gotta HURT!
:D
OK, seriously now, there's a lot of good news tonight:
1) Arnold has been giving money to pro-gun groups. For *years*. Good size chunks, too. Yup. This is what I was gagged on. So I'm not terribly worried about that stance.
2) Never mind Arnold a sec: think back to Davis' gameplan some months ago to stall the vote until the Spring, hoping for a better turnout (Demo primaries). Well this is absolutely the worst news he could have gotten: despite *massive* turnout, near-record, he's just had his clock cleaned.
3) Now look at the combined Arnold/Tom vote compared to Cruz. Jeeezus. The message from voters: stop screwin' around and fix this damn budget stuff. Politicians who try and grandstand on guns next year are going to get shouted down by the sane legislators in BOTH parties, plus Arnold, and probably Cruz as well.
4) Even better: with Prop54 shot down in crashing flames, it's proof that this was a fairly liberal electorate that STILL reamed Davis a new orifice.
5) Tom still walks away with his dignity intact, never wavering on his principles, not flinging ANY mud around. If he runs for controller again, he's a shoe-in. Hell, he could probably take a stab at Boxer's Senate seat or God knows what else.
6) Cruz is also a relative winner. He didn't fling slime (not much, anyhow) and he's trying to take credit for Prop54's defeat. This was a good PR thing for him to make a move on a Senate seat or something three years from now. His loss will be seen more as a statement against the Davis administration versus anything personal, which in my opinion will be a mistake - it was a statement against big taxes.
Oooo, that's gotta HURT!
:D
OK, seriously now, there's a lot of good news tonight:
1) Arnold has been giving money to pro-gun groups. For *years*. Good size chunks, too. Yup. This is what I was gagged on. So I'm not terribly worried about that stance.
2) Never mind Arnold a sec: think back to Davis' gameplan some months ago to stall the vote until the Spring, hoping for a better turnout (Demo primaries). Well this is absolutely the worst news he could have gotten: despite *massive* turnout, near-record, he's just had his clock cleaned.
3) Now look at the combined Arnold/Tom vote compared to Cruz. Jeeezus. The message from voters: stop screwin' around and fix this damn budget stuff. Politicians who try and grandstand on guns next year are going to get shouted down by the sane legislators in BOTH parties, plus Arnold, and probably Cruz as well.
4) Even better: with Prop54 shot down in crashing flames, it's proof that this was a fairly liberal electorate that STILL reamed Davis a new orifice.
5) Tom still walks away with his dignity intact, never wavering on his principles, not flinging ANY mud around. If he runs for controller again, he's a shoe-in. Hell, he could probably take a stab at Boxer's Senate seat or God knows what else.
6) Cruz is also a relative winner. He didn't fling slime (not much, anyhow) and he's trying to take credit for Prop54's defeat. This was a good PR thing for him to make a move on a Senate seat or something three years from now. His loss will be seen more as a statement against the Davis administration versus anything personal, which in my opinion will be a mistake - it was a statement against big taxes.
USAFA
October 8, 2003, 01:07 AM
Any way we can push McClintock to run for Federal Senate? I'd be smilin for a week if we could replace Feinstein with him. Not to mention that I'd part with a heft part of my hard earned money to see it done.
Geech
October 8, 2003, 01:08 AM
1) Arnold has been giving money to pro-gun groups. For *years*. Good size chunks, too. Yup. This is what I was gagged on. So I'm not terribly worried about that stance.
I hope for the sake of Californians you're right.
I hope for the sake of Californians you're right.
El Rojo
October 8, 2003, 01:17 AM
Now the real work begins. As Californians, I recommend we all draft letters explaining what we believe in and trying to give Arnold some honest information regarding gun owners and the current gun legislation. We can influence his decisions.
The recall is over. There doesn't need to be another recall and any attempt at such should be ignored. Davis had his chance, now we give Arnold his. I hope he can get done some of the things we need.
The recall is over. There doesn't need to be another recall and any attempt at such should be ignored. Davis had his chance, now we give Arnold his. I hope he can get done some of the things we need.
4570Rick
October 8, 2003, 01:17 AM
[Dandy Don ON]
Turn out the lights, the party's over.
[Dandy Don OFF]
It will be interesting to watch the shananagins in SAC in the next 39 days.:scrutiny:
Turn out the lights, the party's over.
[Dandy Don OFF]
It will be interesting to watch the shananagins in SAC in the next 39 days.:scrutiny:
Thumper
October 8, 2003, 01:32 AM
Why the Hell is Lefty Jay Leno introducing Arnold for his victory speech?
yy
October 8, 2003, 01:35 AM
RECALL FEINSTEIN!!!
Moparmike
October 8, 2003, 01:39 AM
Ok, can anyone breifly explain why prop 54 is bad? It seems like a good idea.
I hope that McClintock would run for Fed Senate. It would be good for America and the PRK.
I hope that McClintock would run for Fed Senate. It would be good for America and the PRK.
Moparmike
October 8, 2003, 01:49 AM
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ABC is now saying that it was a waste of money, other BS, and building a wall of stuff that they say Arnold will not be able to surmount. Like Gray Davis could have?
I know, I shouldnt have watched ABC in the first place. THese people are driving me nuts with their list to port. Shouldnt thse people have sunk already? Ships dont stay afloat long listing 90* to port.:scrutiny: :fire: :cuss: :banghead:
ABC is now saying that it was a waste of money, other BS, and building a wall of stuff that they say Arnold will not be able to surmount. Like Gray Davis could have?
I know, I shouldnt have watched ABC in the first place. THese people are driving me nuts with their list to port. Shouldnt thse people have sunk already? Ships dont stay afloat long listing 90* to port.:scrutiny: :fire: :cuss: :banghead:
chaim
October 8, 2003, 01:54 AM
Starring Arnold Schwarzenegger in "Total Recall". :evil:
It sounds like the CA Democrats are already planning "Total Recall II" for March (the Democratic presidential primary in CA).
It sounds like the CA Democrats are already planning "Total Recall II" for March (the Democratic presidential primary in CA).
TexasVet
October 8, 2003, 02:50 AM
Davis is recalled, is Cruz STILL Lt. Gov????:confused:
Jim March
October 8, 2003, 02:57 AM
Cruz is indeed still Lt. Gov.
The two offices aren't linked.
The two offices aren't linked.
erikm
October 8, 2003, 07:18 AM
Hmm.
Can Arnold now go around asking for people's resignations? Which ones can and can't he fire if they don't leave of their own accord? I'd imagine there would be a few people he'd like to jetison ASAP. ("Public sector firings will continue until public morale improves.")
Also, would it be a good move for him politically to try to recruit Tom M. into his cabinet?
Jim, have you thought about submitting your CV for his consideration? Californian gubernatorial inquisitor for firearms-related affairs? :D
Cheers,
ErikM :evil:
Can Arnold now go around asking for people's resignations? Which ones can and can't he fire if they don't leave of their own accord? I'd imagine there would be a few people he'd like to jetison ASAP. ("Public sector firings will continue until public morale improves.")
Also, would it be a good move for him politically to try to recruit Tom M. into his cabinet?
Jim, have you thought about submitting your CV for his consideration? Californian gubernatorial inquisitor for firearms-related affairs? :D
Cheers,
ErikM :evil:
Deadman
October 8, 2003, 08:38 AM
Nothing more amusing than seeing a left-wing politician lose. :evil:
gun-fucious
October 8, 2003, 11:12 AM
Close your eyes, can't happen here
Big Bro' on white horse is near
The hippies won't come back you say
Mellow out or you will pay
California Uber Alles
Uber Alles California
Big Bro' on white horse is near
The hippies won't come back you say
Mellow out or you will pay
California Uber Alles
Uber Alles California
Sven
October 8, 2003, 11:37 AM
Kern county shows:
Arnold Schwarzenegger Rep 90,528 61.7%
Cruz M. Bustamante Dem 27,547 18.8%
Tom McClintock Rep 24,234 16.6%
....a combined republican vote of nearly 80%!
Compare that to Santa Clara county:
Cruz M. Bustamante Dem 131,152 40.5%
Arnold Schwarzenegger Rep 125,125 38.6%
Tom McClintock Rep 40,746 12.6%
and San Mateo:
Cruz M. Bustamante Dem 79,747 44.7%
Arnold Schwarzenegger Rep 62,487 35.1%
Tom McClintock Rep 21,057 11.9%
http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/mapB031008083121.gif
I guess it's clear where the anti-gunners are concentrated! If only that part of the state could slowly slide into the ocean (giving my friends who live here enough time to escape to higher ground).
Arnold Schwarzenegger Rep 90,528 61.7%
Cruz M. Bustamante Dem 27,547 18.8%
Tom McClintock Rep 24,234 16.6%
....a combined republican vote of nearly 80%!
Compare that to Santa Clara county:
Cruz M. Bustamante Dem 131,152 40.5%
Arnold Schwarzenegger Rep 125,125 38.6%
Tom McClintock Rep 40,746 12.6%
and San Mateo:
Cruz M. Bustamante Dem 79,747 44.7%
Arnold Schwarzenegger Rep 62,487 35.1%
Tom McClintock Rep 21,057 11.9%
http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/mapB031008083121.gif
I guess it's clear where the anti-gunners are concentrated! If only that part of the state could slowly slide into the ocean (giving my friends who live here enough time to escape to higher ground).
Preacherman
October 8, 2003, 12:13 PM
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/graydavis_milkcarton.gif
El Tejon
October 8, 2003, 01:16 PM
Hokey Smokes, Batman! Look at Sven's map!!!
San Fran (and, what is that Santa Rosa north of there?) is the vortex of Western socialism!:eek:
San Fran (and, what is that Santa Rosa north of there?) is the vortex of Western socialism!:eek:
Jim March
October 8, 2003, 02:16 PM
Actually, I think this map is a more accurate look at where the commies are:
Should Davis Be Recalled? (Green = yes, Red = no)
http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/recall/mapN4031008110647.gif
The problem with using the Arnold vs. Cruz race to sort it out is that Cruz's numbers were crippled by that Indian Gaming Money Fiasco[tm] and then his idiotic handling of the court aftermath.
http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/recall/mapN4.htm
Should Davis Be Recalled? (Green = yes, Red = no)
http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/recall/mapN4031008110647.gif
The problem with using the Arnold vs. Cruz race to sort it out is that Cruz's numbers were crippled by that Indian Gaming Money Fiasco[tm] and then his idiotic handling of the court aftermath.
http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/recall/mapN4.htm
erikm
October 8, 2003, 02:30 PM
Jim or anyone here who can answer this question,
Can someone post a county-by-county map of the percentage of the population on welfare, benefits or other forms of government 'bribes'? Overlaying it with the yes/no map might be interesting.
Jim March for California Gubernatorial Inquisitor for firearms matters! :D (stranger things have been proposed)
Cheers,
ErikM :evil:
Can someone post a county-by-county map of the percentage of the population on welfare, benefits or other forms of government 'bribes'? Overlaying it with the yes/no map might be interesting.
Jim March for California Gubernatorial Inquisitor for firearms matters! :D (stranger things have been proposed)
Cheers,
ErikM :evil:
Bill Hook
October 8, 2003, 02:58 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/3173326.stm
Check out the view from the UK, noticing all the American lefties who wish they were enlightened europeans, where an actor can't get elected...la de dah.
Check out the view from the UK, noticing all the American lefties who wish they were enlightened europeans, where an actor can't get elected...la de dah.
Silver Bullet
October 8, 2003, 05:59 PM
all the American lefties who wish they were enlightened europeans
:cool: I love that !
:cool: I love that !
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