Pump-action shotguns = assault weapons?


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.cheese.
March 20, 2009, 03:25 AM
I was in the LGS picking up some stuff that I had on special order today and got into conversation with the salesperson I usually deal with while we were drawing up the paperwork. I told him how I thought it was odd that a particular item still hasn't arrived considering that it's not a high-demand item nor an item on the potential ban list. He responded that since Obama was elected, things have been wacky as far as sales. The one item they keep selling out of is pump-action shotguns.

I didn't understand why that would be.

Maybe somebody could explain it to me. Pump-actions aren't on any potential ban list are they? I thought it was only semi-autos. Why would they be selling like hotcakes all of a sudden?

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Kind of Blued
March 20, 2009, 03:31 AM
People are buying lots and lots of guns. Period. I would bet that single-action revolver sales and blackpowder firearm sales have gone up since the election.

There are maybe hundreds of thousands of Americans who have become first time firearm owners since the election, and as you and I both know, shooting one gun makes you smile, and think about how another one would probably be fun, and how you should buy that one, so that's what they do.

You'd be suprised how many people in this country don't have a hobby on which to spend their money other than watching TV, drinking, or both.

I'm all for it. :)

ThrottleJockey
March 20, 2009, 03:35 AM
Actually, the list includes all rifles and handguns with detachable mags, and all shotguns that are capable of taking more than 3 rounds. At least that's my understanding.

.cheese.
March 20, 2009, 04:00 AM
I'm all for it.

Agreed that it's a good thing, I just was curious if there was something they know that I don't.

and all shotguns that are capable of taking more than 3 rounds.

and there we go - maybe this is what I didn't know.

Can somebody confirm this?

If this is true, maybe I should get in on the shotgun spree too since I don't yet own one.

ThrottleJockey
March 20, 2009, 04:02 AM
Even if I'm wrong, EVERY American should own at least 1 shotgun, 1 rifle, 1 handgun, and 1 .22 of some sort, so get one already!

.cheese.
March 20, 2009, 04:06 AM
If I'm going to get one, I probably should do it ASAP since I'm actually moving to your state ThrottleJockey and from my understanding, I need to live there for 4 months before I can get a purchase permit (unless that only applies to handguns?)

ThrottleJockey
March 20, 2009, 04:18 AM
You don't need a permit to purchase shotguns or rifles. Just handguns, I guess the EBRs like aks and ars fall into the handgun category for some reason though. What part of MN are you moving to? I jut made a delivery in Ft. Lauderdale yesterday! Sitting in Ocala right now.

fiddleharp
March 20, 2009, 10:25 AM
Aren't pump shotguns outlawed in Great Britain and Australia already?

ReadyontheRight
March 20, 2009, 10:31 AM
Fiddleharp -- I believe your are right. And we all know the tradition of the UK in respecting the rights of their subjects.:rolleyes:

I am sure the next US AWB proposal will "compromise" and let us keep our pump-action shotguns for the time being.

Let's stay vigilant, nip these non-constitutional ideas in the bud and never compromise again.

The more gun buyers, shooters and NRA members the better.

throdgrain
March 20, 2009, 10:45 AM
No they arnt, I own a Mossberg an 870 and a Benelli M2.

Oh the irony if Obama banned them for you guys heheh :)
























(Don't get too worried, I doubt that will happen :) )

jackstinson
March 20, 2009, 10:59 AM
We tend to think everything is related only to election results.
I personally think that some types of gun sales have gone up as a result of the declining economy and the rise in crime related to that. In my observation, it seemed that sales of shotguns for home defense and pistols for CCW use were on the rise before the elections.

hso
March 20, 2009, 11:02 AM
Can't buy an AK or AR, purchase a shotgun.

Folks come in looking for "something before their banned" and they can't find an AR or AK in their price range so they get pointed to a pump 12 gauge.

That's what the guys in the gunshops locally are telling me.

MD_Willington
March 20, 2009, 11:27 AM
Nothing wrong with a defender loaded with 00-buck.. Take a Remington 870 tac with extended magazine... 6 rounds of 00-buck..

If your quick enough you can put 50+ .36 cal balls in the air with one of those.

30mag
March 20, 2009, 11:32 AM
IMO pump shotguns are safe.

huntsman
March 20, 2009, 11:59 AM
Can't buy an AK or AR, purchase a shotgun.

Folks come in looking for "something before their banned" and they can't find an AR or AK in their price range so they get pointed to a pump 12 gauge.

That's what the guys in the gunshops locally are telling me

Makes sense to me.

Also I think Hollywood probably beefs up pump gun sales with all the movie usage pumps get.

I also believe if its newbie’s buying and they want something "just in case" but don't want to spend a lot tend to gravitate towards pumps because they're cheaper.

GEM
March 20, 2009, 12:00 PM
Pumps are cheap. I bought my 1300 for $239 a few years ago. My AR - ouch - in terms of price.

Also, if you rack your pump, even Godzilla will flee. :D

Grey_Mana
March 20, 2009, 12:27 PM
Some people buy guns as toys - to have fun hunting, trap & skeet, at the range.

Most people buy guns as tools. They expect to need them. Those crowds buying pump shotguns aren't duck or turkey hunters.

When you're at the store, and you see people panic-buying all the flash lights, batteries, toilet paper, and bottled water do you assume they are all stupid sheeple, or do you assume a big storm is coming?

TeamPrecisionIT
March 20, 2009, 12:47 PM
It's actually even more simple than mentioned. The economy is going down, crime is going up and everyone 'knows' a shotgun is the 'perfect' home defense weapon and also the pump versions are usually rather cheap. Granted, everything else is selling like hotcakes, too, but I honestly believe those are the reason pumps are selling well.

Damian

.cheese.
March 20, 2009, 01:17 PM
When you're at the store, and you see people panic-buying all the flash lights, batteries, toilet paper, and bottled water do you assume they are all stupid sheeple, or do you assume a big storm is coming?

In this case it was neither, I knew of storm A, but it seemed like people were planning for storm B which I hadn't heard anything about and was concerned I was out of the loop on something.

BCCL
March 20, 2009, 01:50 PM
I've been looking in local gun stores for a home defense shotgun the last few weeks, and I am hearing a similar story at all of them, "any black tactical style shotguns are backordered and no idea when we'll get them".

Hungry Seagull
March 20, 2009, 01:55 PM
The Remington 870 has 50+ years of tradition. It is a fine gun for fighting. Unfortunately you need to adjust your tatics because anything beyond 200 yards with a scope can take you out. If it was for fighting, I would not have any issue taking the 870 to war.

Now the Moss 500... eh.. it's a fine gun but I think I will leave it home for defense. The wife loves the gun very much (And I do too.)

As long as I can feed em Brennekes and other ammuntion made for large/dangerous game up to and beyond 100 yards we're good to go.

The only concern left is a decent M14 or a Carbine.

huntsman
March 20, 2009, 01:56 PM
When you're at the store, and you see people panic-buying all the flash lights, batteries, toilet paper, and bottled water do you assume they are all stupid sheeple, or do you assume a big storm is coming?

I just laugh at them and say to myself they're already too late.

Hungry Seagull
March 20, 2009, 02:23 PM
No panic buying here. What we do is slow burn. Constantly adding this and that.... a year or three in a spare room fully stocked when the storm arrives is a wonderful thing.

Let's it snow, let it snow.. uh, ice. yea let it ice...

Travis Bickle
March 20, 2009, 02:30 PM
Maybe somebody could explain it to me. Pump-actions aren't on any potential ban list are they?

Not yet, but the bottom line is we just don't know what could happen in the near future.

Aren't pump shotguns outlawed in Great Britain and Australia already?

In Australia, yes. I think you can still have them in Britain if they hold only three rounds (subject to all the other onerous regulations, of course.)

theotherwaldo
March 20, 2009, 02:49 PM
I just sit here and laugh.

In Mexico (10 miles away), any firearm that uses a military round is illegal. The odd thing is, the Mexican government is the only legal source for new firearms in Mexico!

Here in the U.S. they're trying to ban military-type firearms. This is odd, as the only firearm types specifically protected by the U.S. constitution are the types that are useful to militias - in other words, military-type weapons.

So, in the U.S., civilian self-defense and hunting firearms (like pump shotguns) are under fairly light legal pressure - even though pump shotguns have been used by the U.S. military for over a century, they haven't been considered to be military weapons.

Go figure.

Shotguns, 12-ga and under, with barrels of 25 inches or longer, are acceptable in Mexico as well, even though police and military weapons can only be owned by government employees or those that have a collector's license (much like a C&R license, and about as hard to get).

So, even though the military uses shotguns and military weapons are illegal in civilian hands, pump shotguns are under little pressure in Mexico, as well.

Go figure.

RP88
March 20, 2009, 02:55 PM
the old HR 1022 list and several others listed any shotgun with a detachable mag and/or could hold more than five rounds was an assault weapon. so anything like a Saiga-12 or any of the Remingtons or Mossbergs or whatever that held more than six rounds total were to be banned.

.cheese.
March 20, 2009, 03:52 PM
Okie dokie then. That's disturbing.

Hungry Seagull
March 20, 2009, 03:56 PM
I tell you a secret. Maybe it works maybe it wont.

That 870 with the extension barely holds three inch black bear mag rounds. Five in total.

That should be sufficient to escape a ban now wont it? LOL.:neener:

hirundo82
March 20, 2009, 06:17 PM
Pump shotguns themselves should be safe from any forseeable ban--they are the definition of "in common use" (as the majority opinion in [i]Heller[i] put it), as well as having a definite "sporting use."

I can the the antis pushing for capacity restrictions, banning evil features (telescoping stocks, pistol grips), etc.

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