Tell me about your 9mm Luger loads with Titegroup


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Lone_Gunman
March 22, 2009, 11:36 AM
I am working up some loads in 9mm using 115g FMJs. I am using 4.3g of Titegroup. What do you think of that combination?

What kind of experience have you had with Titegroup and 115g FMJs?

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RDA 226sig
March 22, 2009, 12:35 PM
Titegroup works great for 9mm Luger 115g FMJs but in my firearm it was a bit dirty at lower charges. I use 4.7g and it works well in my CZ.

45ACPUSER
March 22, 2009, 01:13 PM
The better question here is how does the load perform in your gun? Have you just plucked the load out of the air and did not do a proper load work up you might be missing better accuracy?

If something works for you with respect to reliability, accuracy, and safety then NO one can say much!:banghead:

ants
March 22, 2009, 02:16 PM
That's a fairly light load, good place to start. See how it works in your pistol. As noted above, it will probably leave some soot. It burns cleaner as the charge gets hotter, but if your pistol shoots best at lower charges where it's a little dirty, you just get more carbon on the patch when you clean the pistol. Big deal.

All my pistols cycle as low as 4.0 Titegroup with either 115 or 124 grain bullets. My Glock works well in the mid ranges, maybe 4.5 to 4.7. And that's not max load yet. My 1911 in 9mm likes max load much better, it's a heavier pistol designed for heavier cartridges. It burns nice and clean in that pistol, too.

So you've got a good starting point. Like 45acp says, start low and work up until your pistol does the talking for you.

Lone_Gunman
March 22, 2009, 03:09 PM
The better question here is how does the load perform in your gun? Have you just plucked the load out of the air and did not do a proper load work up you might be missing better accuracy?

Well... I guess i just plucked it out of the air. I was loading 9mm for the first time yesterday. I haven't had time to go to the range. I loaded 20 rounds.

I guess what I am saying is, I am at the starting point. I wanted to know what other people thought about the starting point.

philbo
March 22, 2009, 07:36 PM
My favorite 9mm plinking load is 4.4 grns of Titegroup under 115 FMJ with COL=1.155. Shot thousands over the last couple of years with good results.

Lone_Gunman
March 22, 2009, 10:27 PM
What velocity did you get from 4.4 grains with 115g FMJ?

D. Manley
March 22, 2009, 10:56 PM
Tell me about your 9mm Luger loads with Titegroup

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I am working up some loads in 9mm using 115g FMJs. I am using 4.3g of Titegroup. What do you think of that combination?

What kind of experience have you had with Titegroup and 115g FMJs?

TG isn't my favorite in 9MM but it does do very well and your load is a good one, very accurate in my guns. IIRC, Sierra's "accuracy load" under their 115 grainers is 4.2 grains.

philbo
March 23, 2009, 12:00 AM
What velocity did you get from 4.4 grains with 115g FMJ?

Feels/ejects like WWB which is what I was aiming for. Never chronographed the load.

evan price
March 23, 2009, 12:17 AM
My standard 9mm load is 4.0 grains TG under a lead 125-RN slug. It shoots great, does not lead up the barrel, and I have shot thousands of them. I tried the same with 4.4 grains and found no appreciable improvement in accuracy or function.

I load a 124-gr Speer Gold Dot over 4.7 grains of TG to get me a reasonable facsimile of the factory Speer Gold Dot SD ammo to practice with at lower cost in my CCW pistols. This load feel good and strong, no chrony so I can't speak for velocity. Shoots very well, extracts 100%.

I did have one problem with my 4.0 TG loads, in a brand new, out of the box XD9 it had jams where the spent shell was still partially in the ejection port (Some stovepiping, some not). Once this particular gun was broken in the problem went away. With the 4.4 grain loads the problem was not there. I assume it was a new, tight gun with a strong recoil spring.

creophus
March 23, 2009, 03:04 PM
4.2 grains of Titegroup under a 115gr Perfomance Delta 9mm do the trick for me.

marcodo
March 23, 2009, 08:57 PM
4.3 titegroup with 124 grain lead and 4.6 115 g fmj seems to do the trick for me.

One of my favorites

Nowhere Man
March 23, 2009, 09:46 PM
3.4 TG under a 115FMJ keeps the sights on target out of my Glock 34.

Dave

Bear2000
March 23, 2009, 09:51 PM
4.2-4.3 grains of Titegroup under a Zero 125 FMJHP at 1.125" for my CZ and XD is my load of choice - a nice, consistent 1050-75 fps range round.

1911user
March 23, 2009, 10:27 PM
4.2gr with 124gr FMJ is my competition load. It reliably makes USPSA minor and shoots nice; much less felt recoil than WWB or similar.

Globeguy
March 24, 2009, 04:17 PM
When you "work up" your load how do you do your approaching your max?

I am currently shooting 4.0gr of Titegroup with 115gr FMJ. Like you guys say it does leave some soot. I would like to go higher, but I do not know what to look for when going higher.

It does shoot with significantly less kick than a factory round, out of my XD9SC (also has FTE often (5 rounds out of 180rounds that I usually shoot per range trip)).

RustyFN
March 24, 2009, 08:06 PM
I shoot the same load as 1911user. Shoots good for me.
Rusty

Lone_Gunman
March 29, 2009, 11:25 PM
I got a chance to chronograph my loads:

115g FMJ over 4.3g Titegroup ----> 1,119 FPS

115g FMJ over 4.7g Titegroup ----> 1,192 FPS

Both loads performed equally well, no jams, and equal accuracy. Both recipes were equally clean, and did not seem dirty to me.

I will probably do a big run using 4.3g of Titegroup.

RustyFN
March 30, 2009, 05:58 PM
Hey Creo welcome to THR.
Rusty

Globeguy
March 30, 2009, 06:21 PM
Lone Gunman, what gun are you shooting that out of?

Lone_Gunman
March 31, 2009, 02:06 AM
Glock 17 was the weapon used.

BikerNut
March 31, 2009, 02:48 PM
I've used 3.6 gr. of Titegroup under 115 gr. Rainier plated bullets, which gave only moderate accuracy from my marginally accurate Walther P-38. Also, a few did not eject all the way, probably because the load was a little light.

4.0 gr. of Titegroup with 115 gr. Rainier plated bullets, however, is just about perfect for a moderate load.

4.5 gr. of Titegroup with 115 gr. Winchester FMJHB bullets is a good load also.

I've found Titegroup to be extremely clean burning. And with the frugal charge weights and the fact that it is not a position-sensitive powder, I'm going to buy a bunch more of it.

twinhairdryers
February 5, 2010, 01:35 AM
I have a very basic loading setup with a Lee single stage press that came with the CC powder cups and the red powder kit. I generally calibrate the Lee charger until it fills just where I want it to into one of the 0.5 CC Lee powder dippers, and then load from there, noting the spindle setting on the Lee powder charger. It is crude, I know but still works. My question is, how many CCs of powder is a 4.0 grain load of Titegroup?

ants
February 5, 2010, 03:05 AM
0.3372549cc = 4 grains

At least that's what it weighed on my scale, calibrated with my check weights, at the temperature and relative humidity on that day, sampled from the Lot # of the 8 pound jug that I bought, scooped with the Lee scoop that I own, calculated on the pocket calculator I have. Then again, I could be wrong.

YMMV.

ants
February 5, 2010, 03:09 AM
You need to buy a scale.

1SOW
February 5, 2010, 06:48 PM
The Lee volumetric conversion tables for their powder discs show .3388

ants is right. You need a scale--fast.

A Lee scale is awkward but cheap. With careful set-up, it's accurate.

tbelstler
February 10, 2010, 03:08 PM
I have been reloading 9mm Luger using 4.3gr of Titegroup using Berry's 115gr plated bullets. When I reloaded them on my friend's press with his 25+ year old Lee dies they shot clean with no powder marks. Since I started reloading them on my own brand new press with brand new Lee dies they leave a 'rocket exhaust' ring of burnt powder on the mouth of the case. I have several questions about this new development. Is it going to damage the pistol over time or does it just look bad? What causes it and how can I fix it? Thanks!

Glock20
February 10, 2010, 03:40 PM
I've had good luck with 4.6gr Titegroup and 115gr Zero or Montana Gold FMJ & 1.135 OAL out of my Ruger P95. I didn't chrono them, but should be a little over 1100fps.

twinhairdryers
February 10, 2010, 11:35 PM
I went ahead and got a scale. Glad I did. Eyeballing those Lee scoopers was very inconsistent, and i was running just up to if not past the 4.9 grain Titegroup recommended loads. I started out pressing a few JRN magtech 115gr ball I had with a few 4.2, 4.4, and 4.6 grain Titegroup loads with a 1.133 - 1.136 OAL. going to test them out this weekend. looking for a lighter target load for plinking a lot with. just enough to cycle my glock 17 reliably. it will take some learning to actually get decent groups i would guess, but just getting a powder load that works seems like a good step. Not sure about clean holes versus powder ring holes, if they were from the same powder. seems like one may have been loaded hotter and had more unburnt powder following it???? were they at the same range of fire?

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