How safe is to keep a pistol in your car?


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new_steyr1
March 22, 2009, 08:06 PM
I live in NV. During summer temp in the car can easily reach 150+ degrees. It can be so hot that leaving kids or pets unattended in a car is punishable by law. Keeping all this in mind, I have two questions.

1) With these temps, how safe is to keep a loaded pistol in your car?
2) How safe is to keep guns in the car... in general? Is that a good idea?

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Big Daddy Grim
March 22, 2009, 08:14 PM
I can not speak for the heat ID and all but I have the car gun safe from Cabelas it fits in my middle consule and I have no worrys when I leave it out there.

The Lone Haranguer
March 22, 2009, 08:24 PM
The temperature inside the car will not harm the gun in any way. The biggest concern is theft.

10-Ring
March 22, 2009, 08:28 PM
As mentioned, my concern is not the heat, but more theft.

640400
March 22, 2009, 09:05 PM
Here is a thought.

Do Not Leave a Gun In Your Car!

searcher451
March 22, 2009, 10:37 PM
A gun is perfectly safe in the car so long as you are in the car with the gun. If you leave the car, take the gun with you. That way, you won't have to worry about theft, heat, wind and rain, the passing of the seasons, presidential elections, thunder and lightning, erosion in the mountain passes, the real meaning of the last book you read, or whether the Cubs will ever again make it to a World Series.

Better to worry about all of those things, however, than to have your gun stolen from your car or truck.

wyocarp
March 22, 2009, 11:35 PM
Well, let's see. $50,000 truck. $1,000 gun.

If it's safe to park my truck there, it is safe to lock my gun in it.

goose2
March 22, 2009, 11:36 PM
CCW = keep the gun on you.

badbadtz560
March 23, 2009, 12:14 AM
just keep it locked in the glove compartment.. breakin in to a car is easy via the window.. but breakin in to the glove box requires a little more skill... but they prob won't break in to your car in the first place if they don't see anything of interest right off the bat.

fattsgalore
March 23, 2009, 12:46 AM
Not a fan of car/truck guns. Only if you have to. I hate going places where my firearm isn't permitted.

bigfatdave
March 23, 2009, 01:22 AM
Well, let's see. $50,000 truck. $1,000 gun.
If it's safe to park my truck there, it is safe to lock my gun in it.

I disagree - a firearm is a lot more portable than a truck you don't have the keys for.

thebaldguy
March 23, 2009, 01:53 AM
Some states do not allow for a gun to be in the car unless going to/from hunting or the range.

I don't keep anything of value in my cars. I live in an urban area and have had cars broken into before.

ScareyH22A
March 23, 2009, 02:26 AM
I bought a cheap Sentry Safe at Walmart for $45. I drilled a hole in it and in my trunk. Then I screwed in an eye bolt with nuts and washers into the safe and into the trunk. And I use a bicycle U-lock to lock the safe securely to the vehicle. I'm sure with a big ass bolt cutter, you could cut the eye bolt but most car thieves don't go around carrying bolt cutters. And anything kept in the safe is reasonably protected from heat because it's fire rated. My safe is one of those file sized ones so I can keep 5 pistols or 1 pistol and a thousand rounds of ammo in with it.

Ash
March 23, 2009, 05:36 AM
And other states, like Mississippi, the car is considered an extension of the home. You can legally car carry without CCW permitting. Therefore, I can carry in a vehicle without any extra paperwork.

Ash

gafirefighter
March 23, 2009, 09:14 AM
It amazes me that if I were to leave my gun in the car (in the console), lock the doors (but not the console), and go inside somewhere, and someone breaks in and steals my gun...

I can be prosecuted if something happens with my firearm.

This seems to happen quite a bit in some states. If you firearm is not secured inside your vehicle then you can be held accountable. I just can not believe it but I have read quite a few reports on it. Even though they knocked out your window and took it out of your car it is somehow your fault.

Makes sense to me...:rolleyes:

Adam

LightningCrash
March 23, 2009, 09:18 AM
Ash, Louisiana does that too.
LA also has open carry. Go LA. :D

Just One Shot
March 23, 2009, 09:23 AM
I only leave my gun in my vehicle if I'm going somewhere that doesn't allow CC.

In Ohio they have signs with the outline of a pistol surrounded by a red circle with a red slash through it.

I have a loackable fire box in one car that is bolted through the trunk floor and in the wife's car I have one of these:

http://www.ccwsupply.biz/CarSafePAGE.htm

While nothing is fool proof, most thiefs aren't going to be prepared to deal with these items or take the time to try and defeat them.

Besides, what are the odds they are going to break into my vehicle on one of those rare occassions that my hand gun is actually in lock down?

ArmedBear
March 23, 2009, 10:00 AM
I saw an old Toyota truck, the kind that are EASY to break into (I used to have one -- had 10 stereos and the truck itself stolen twice while I had it). It was parked in a parking lot nearby.

The guy had an M4gery on gun racks in the cab window while he was in Cabela's. Now nobody goes into Cabela's for less than an hour. Well, okay, I do, now that there's a Cabela's down the street from me, but usually nobody does.:D

It didn't get stolen.

Of course, this isn't exactly Compton, either.:)

wyocarp
March 23, 2009, 12:39 PM
It amazes me that if I were to leave my gun in the car (in the console), lock the doors (but not the console), and go inside somewhere, and someone breaks in and steals my gun...

I can be prosecuted if something happens with my firearm.

This seems to happen quite a bit in some states. If you firearm is not secured inside your vehicle then you can be held accountable. I just can not believe it but I have read quite a few reports on it. Even though they knocked out your window and took it out of your car it is somehow your fault.

gafirefighter, give me a couple stories where someone was held responsible for the actions of another with a gun that they BROKE into a vehicle and stole the firearm. I want a news article that tells what the person was charged with and what happened.

wyocarp
March 23, 2009, 12:41 PM
CCW = keep the gun on you.

Did I miss something. I didn't realize we were talking about concealed carry. We were talking about guns in vehicles, or at least that is where we started.

jimmyraythomason
March 23, 2009, 12:45 PM
I have three vehicles each with it's own handgun inside. My wife and I are both CCW with unrestricted(not dedicated to a particular handgun) permits. We always have a weapon no matter which car or truck we drive.

KE4NYV
March 23, 2009, 12:47 PM
Ash, Louisiana does that too.
LA also has open carry. Go LA.

Same here in Virginia. We have a lot of freedom, but when it comes to cars, they are a bit odd. WITHOUT a CCW, I can open carry loaded all day long. I can even walk into a bar, but when I get in the car I must unload it and place the gun in full view if an officer were to stop me and walk up on EITHER side of the car.

Fast forward to a CCW, all of the unloading/full view rules go out the door. I can leave it loaded and concealed on me or stick it in my center console, ect. I can still walk into the bar, but I just have to un-conceal it before I walk in.

Being that I am not a drinker, I rarely go into a bar, BUT I do frequent establishments that serve alcohol, so the same rules apply there.

Most alcohol serving etablishments in Virginia are aware of the laws and the freedom that gun owners have in this state and then some are totally ignorant and that is why I started:

http://www.firearmfriendlyva.com/

ArmedBear
March 23, 2009, 01:11 PM
I wouldn't put a Heritage .22 revolver in a hot car, but others shouldn't melt.:D

2nd 41
March 23, 2009, 01:17 PM
just keep it locked in the glove compartment.. breakin in to a car is easy via the window.. but breakin in to the glove box requires a little more skill...
I'd estimate about 5 seconds with screw driver or small Pry Bar

dat2
March 23, 2009, 01:54 PM
biggest thing I would think about is the ammo, the heat in a locked vehicle and vibration over a long time from driving around could effect ammo performance. who knows how much for sure though if any.


I usually have a gun or three most all the time in my truck

WoofersInc
March 23, 2009, 02:13 PM
Fellow Nevada resident here. You will have no problems from the heat affecting your gun. There have been some occasions where I have left my gun in my truck. I drive a black truck on top of that. No issues. I do rotate carry ammo on a regular basis though and don't leave any ammo in the truck for extended periods of time. Not that the ammo will cook off, but to keep it fresh.
Safety of keeping a gun in the car depends on what part of Nevada you live in. There are some parts of Vegas I would never leave a gun in the truck due to the high level of crime in the areas. If you are out in the rural areas in may be a different story.

Ash
March 23, 2009, 04:59 PM
We have open carry here, too, as far as I know.

Ash

The Lone Haranguer
March 23, 2009, 06:43 PM
Here is a thought.

Do Not Leave a Gun In Your Car!

And a good thought it is, but it should not be a blanket statement. There are times when you may need to leave a gun in your car for short periods. My earlier statement refers more to long term storage.

bluetopper
March 23, 2009, 08:04 PM
I keep a Makarov in my work truck in the pocket at the bottom of the door and that's where it's going to stay. I never have to worry with it till I want to.

I live in a semi rural low risk/crime area. If I lived in an urban environment with gangstas around I would probably feel different.

Frisconian
March 23, 2009, 09:04 PM
I keep a Glock 19 in my car. When it's parked in my garage or in my company's parking garage, the G19 and an extra mag are stowed in a old empty daytimer. When I park in public, the weapon goes in a Center of Mass safe that is cable-locked to the frame of my passenger seat.

Travis Bickle
March 23, 2009, 09:15 PM
Same here in Virginia. We have a lot of freedom, but when it comes to cars, they are a bit odd. WITHOUT a CCW, I can open carry loaded all day long. I can even walk into a bar, but when I get in the car I must unload it and place the gun in full view if an officer were to stop me and walk up on EITHER side of the car.

IIRC, Alabama also allows OC on foot but not in a car. It's very strange and I can't imagine the reason why.

wyocarp
March 23, 2009, 11:19 PM
So, I'm still waiting for someone to furnish a story where someone has been prosecuted for having their legal gun stolen from their locked vehicle.

PT1911
March 23, 2009, 11:25 PM
how safe is carrying a pistol in a holster on your side, keeping one in a safe, in a closet, on a table next to your bed, at a range, in a gun shop within 3 feet of the ammunition that goes with the gun... there is no answer for this question... guns, when handled responsibly are very safe, but in some circumstances, things happen... now that that is over... to your question, it depends on far to many factors... my suggestion is having enough forethought to know where you will be and whether or not you can carry inside or must leave the weapon in the car.... if that is the case, I recommend carrying something that, though dependable, is inexpensive enough to not break your heart in the event of a break in.... old 9X18's and .380's seem to be a dependable inexpensive option....

Burl
March 24, 2009, 12:24 AM
It won't be found is my guess.

Drusagas
March 24, 2009, 12:32 AM
While waiting on my CCW paperwork to clear, I carry my XD9 in my truck at all times. When I'm home, I bring it in with me. Once I get my license, well, it'll go wherever I go.

thesolidus
March 29, 2009, 05:51 PM
In most states it's illegal to leave a gun in the glove compartment specifically.
(PD pulls you over, asks for Registration, you unlock the glove box to get it...) (A buddy of mine got charged that way...)
And cops get nervous about glove box guns.

Get a lockable pushbutton safe. (Titan gun safe, or Wall Mart drawer safe) and Bolt It Down! Under the Passenger seat, to the rear wall of a truck etc.
Then disguise it as something else. Paint it the color of the truck plastic, hang a 'car trash bag. over it and put an old McDonalds up over it so it looks like trash but is fast draw. Get a section of carpet or vehicle flooring and cover the box and keypad. Whatever, as long as it hides from a quick search.
If your ammo has to be separate camo that too. I found a Snickers King Size wrapper fits perfectly around my Glock 22 mag. I have 2 "snickers bars" in my truck and a concealed box (somewhere) in my truck. If a thief or the wrong PD looks they'll never know I own or carry. (Not required to tell unless they ask, then i'm headed out of state to hunt gophers.)

Make sure nothing in or on you vehicle advertises "Guns here!"
Sadly gone are the days of pickup gun racks, now even a bumper sticker makes us targets for thieves.

Another tip, Leave something a thief does want as a diversion. (an envelope of $1's and paper, and some fake jewelry and a dead cell phone) in the glove box. A flush thief is likely to quit looking.)

Oh, and a lock box in the truck is a good place to leave some bug out cash and spare paperwork. (Remember one of the most common causes to Bug Out is a house fire...)

moooose102
March 29, 2009, 09:12 PM
The temperature inside the car will not harm the gun in any way. The biggest concern is theft.
+1. i bolted a small gun storage box to the interior of my truck for such a purpose. if i can not bring my ccw into somewhere, i lock it in the lockbox. if someone breaks in and destroys the box to get the firearm, at least libility wise i should be ok. i have ammo in the truck almost all of the time, and i lock it up tight. of course i live in michigan, so it is not as hot as az. but ammo has to get pretty hot to ignite from just heat.

thesolidus
March 30, 2009, 12:39 AM
Just don't store your ammo in the oven!

http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/46869/stored_bullets_explode_in_wis_oven/

And even in states that do not allow CCW in vehicle, Federal statue allows "transport" in a vehicle in a locked case with separate ammunition. Some states want it in the trunk or not.
A bolted, locked box in the back seat, under the rear passenger seat could still be construed as 'too available' but it meets the overriding Federal statute.

Southern6er
March 30, 2009, 04:37 PM
I'd like to see some links to the safes mentioned in this thread so far... anybody got some?

Travis Bickle
March 30, 2009, 04:47 PM
And even in states that do not allow CCW in vehicle, Federal statue allows "transport" in a vehicle in a locked case with separate ammunition. Some states want it in the trunk or not.
A bolted, locked box in the back seat, under the rear passenger seat could still be construed as 'too available' but it meets the overriding Federal statute.

McClure-Volkmer overrides state and local laws only in the case of people traveling interstate. It has no effect on intrastate travelers.

theotherwaldo
March 30, 2009, 04:57 PM
I work in a government building that doesn't allow CC. That means that I lock my gun and one magazine in the car. I use up the in-car ammo often and replace it from fresh. All of the rest of the ammo and mags go in the briefcase.

High heat does bad things to ammo.

Travis Bickle
March 30, 2009, 05:07 PM
High heat does bad things to ammo.

In Arizona, it can get hot enough in a closed car to warp and deform some plastics. Years ago, I left a cassette tape on the dash of my car all day during the summer and it was ruined. Anyway, lead has a pretty low melting point and it wouldn't surprise me if it could also deform lead bullets. I'm pretty sure it's not hot enough to damage a gun, though.

dwhite
March 30, 2009, 05:42 PM
I was in Charlotte last year at a sales meeting.Two of the guys there had their trucks broken into right outside the hotel managers office window. Perps popped the passenger door windows with a screwdriver. Guys had nothing in plain sight in their trucks.


Charlotte Metro police said perps target trucks for the red-neck factor. They expect to find a gun in a truck much more than a car.

A Volvo with a rainbow sticker on the back window and an Obama/Biden bumper sticker is the last thing they'd break into to get a gun.

All the Best,
D. White

Lou McGopher
March 30, 2009, 07:51 PM
Don't leave your gun IN the car.

Leave it ON the car.

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/Dillon-Aero-M134D-Gatling.jpg

sohcgt2
March 30, 2009, 08:54 PM
wyocarp So, I'm still waiting for someone to furnish a story where someone has been prosecuted for having their legal gun stolen from their locked vehicle.

Why don't you just furnish all the criminals in your area a handgun and let the rest of us do what we can to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. As far as I know there is no law that says you can't store your guns in a cabinet on the front porch but even in the "quiet" community where I live I would consider that stupid. Keeping guns secure is not about the value of the guns its about the danger they represent in the wrong hands. How are you going to feel if someone steals your gun from your truck and shoots your family member with your ammo? My guess is not good.

green country shooter
March 30, 2009, 09:07 PM
It is legal for me to have a gun in the car at work, but not to leave the car with it. If I want to be armed when i come, i've got to leave it in the car.
I have a gun vault.

Paladin7
March 30, 2009, 10:46 PM
I'm with sohcgt2...I could never understand why someone would leave a gun in their car.

I lived in NYC for many years and I have seen many cars broken into and stolen, even watched it happen a few times. Car thieves can be in your car and out with all valuables in seconds. They are very quick. Glove boxes are simple to break into and a bolted down safe = the possibility of a bigger score. Most thieves I know would just steal the damn car and drive it to a place where they have the privacy to work on the safe and get it open. Believe me, they can make it happen very quickly.


Why set up a situation where there is the possibility of allowing a criminal to get your gun and harm someone else with it? It just doesn't make any sense.

adrenalyn
March 31, 2009, 12:02 AM
geniusiknowit..........priceless! I had my truck broken into twice in the last year. Had I left mine in the truck, I would have surely wept. I feel like I have left my kids in the car when I am forced to leave my pistol. Not a good feeling.

nd1979
March 31, 2009, 12:12 AM
I bought this online from Costco for when I cannot carry in a building. Bolts to the floor and works nice in my Tacoma. They custom make them for many vehicles

sohcgt2
March 31, 2009, 04:01 PM
Console Safe

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I bought this online from Costco for when I cannot carry in a building. Bolts to the floor and works nice in my Tacoma. They custom make them for many vehicles

Console Not As Safe As You Thought.
Seven seconds with the same crowbar I used to break your window and I have your console and the safe inside it. The thief doesn't care in what condition he leaves your vehicle and when he opens the console and sees a lock box the whole thing is coming with him so he can open it at his leasure. If you bolted it through the floor with a backing plate to spread the load over a large area then your fine, but sheet metal tears, plastic breaks, and wires can be cut with a pocket tool like the one you carry.

Coltman 77
March 31, 2009, 04:04 PM
Don't leave anything you don't want stolen in your car.

searcher451
March 31, 2009, 06:01 PM
Here's one reason why it's a bad idea:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=439316

In fact, more than one reason ...

LibShooter
March 31, 2009, 06:22 PM
Sometimes if you carry a weapon, you're going to come across places you can't enter with a gun. I suppose one could never enter a Post Office, a restaurant with a bar, or a city park but I prefer to sometimes leave my CCW in the car while I condcuct my business. I locked down a small safe in the hatchback area just for that purpose.

A dedicated theif with a crowbar, bolt cutters and several uninterupted minutes alone with my car could take the gun or maybe the whole safe away. But that seems unlikely. I've heard news reports that car break-ins are more rare now. Sound systems have lost their resale value because they are so specialized that they can't be moved from car to car.

woad_yurt
March 31, 2009, 06:33 PM
A thought I had while reading this thread:
How about using a cable lock through the trigger guard to secure the gun to one of the legs of the car seat? Then, you can just push the gun under the seat. They sell them in the bicyle stores in all different degrees of strength.

searcher451
March 31, 2009, 07:02 PM
Something this discussion presupposes, I guess, is that every time you take your car or truck or SUV out for a spin, everyone around drives safely and you drive safely and everything always turns out all right. But the fact of the matter is that this is not always the case; stuff happens out there on the highway, as we all know. I'm not sure that I'd want a gun with a cable lock attached to it clanging around the cab after a crash while I'm going 25 mph, let along 65 mph. It just conjurs up all sorts of nasty, scary thoughts.

outerlimit
March 31, 2009, 07:39 PM
Sometimes I stick mine behind the seat in a gun rug. The cable lock idea is interesting, but may cause damage to the gun from foot traffic and the elements. Plus it's not very quick to get to.

inSight-NEO
March 31, 2009, 08:28 PM
I wont go into my overall opinions of storing a weapon in a vehicle other than to say that, upon leaving a weapon in a vehicle for any decent period of time, might I suggest taking any loaded magazines with you. If its a revolver, unload it and take the ammo with you or store it separate from the weapon. Its probably not a great idea to leave an un-attended, loaded weapon within a vehicle.

yongxingfreesty
March 31, 2009, 08:34 PM
not very safe at all, i hear of too many "car broken in and gun stolen" stories on here

RP88
March 31, 2009, 08:57 PM
not leaving it in the car is the best bet, but if you do, either bolt a safe to the wall of the trunk, or keep it and anything else of interest out of sight. If you cannot do so because it would require a CCW/CHP, then I'd suggest that you go and get one so you can at the very least stash it under the seat or something (other local laws not withstanding) when needed

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