Rings and base question for Rem 700 SPS Varmit


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JimJD
March 23, 2009, 05:20 AM
Hi there,

I recently purchased a Remington 700 SPS Varmit rifle (.223 Remington).
It was picked up at Dick's S.G. and came as a rifle and scope package. Before I bought the rifle, I was already thinking about swapping out the optics, rings, and base.
Initially, I was thinking about a scope from Mueller. Now I'm thinking about a fixed power instead of a variable. The scope in question would be a Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40 with mil-Dot Reticle. What do you think?
My current range has a maximum rifle range distance of 100 yards. But I might get access to longer distances. So a fixed 10 power should be fine for the caliber's max range, right?

As for the rings, I was thinking about Burris Signature Zee rings (with pos-align inserts) as I have used them before and didn't feel like going through the lapping process. But now I'm interested in their Xtreme Tactical Rings which would be mounted to Burris XTB Weaver-style Solid Steel Bases. If I went this route, what ring height am I looking at? Medium? Low? Anything I should know?
Thanks!

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1858
March 23, 2009, 05:45 AM
Jim, that scope should be fine for you and the 10X magnification will be sufficient for target shooting at 200 yards and 300 yards if you're thinking of shooting SR-42 and MR-52 type targets. It'll be sufficient to shoot the SR-42 target at 600 yards if you feel so inclined. I'm not familiar with the rings that you mention, but I use medium Mark 4 rings on two of my 700s with 50mm objective scopes. I was using low Mark 4 rings on another 700 with a 40mm objective scope. Here are the heights of the Mark 4 rings so you could cross-reference them to the Xtreme Tactical Rings. Maybe Burris has a ring/base selector utility on their web page.

Mark 4 30mm Medium – 0.84"
Mark 4 30mm High – 1.06"
Mark 4 30mm Super High – 1.40"

Added in edit: The ring heights are from the center of the rings to the top of the base.

:)

gotime242
March 23, 2009, 09:47 AM
This should be a good thread.

I JUST bought a 700 sps-v to go along with my 3200 10x40. I did a lot of research regarding the scope...10x should be pleanty for what you are doing. Apparently the military shoots 1000 yards with 10x.

Right now i just bought a simple weaver crap tactical one piece base and will use some old rings i have (leupold rifleman)...only just to get the scope on there for now.

But i would like to upgrade to definetly the burris XTR's and im still debating on the base. Possibly a millett one-piece...i hear they do alright.

Anyway, the sps-v with the 3200 10x40 should be a great budget, but great performing gun. I cant wait.

USSR
March 23, 2009, 10:34 AM
The scope in question would be a Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40 with mil-Dot Reticle. What do you think?

Great scope. I started out using this very same scope on my FN SPR. I liked this scope so much, that when I went to a better scope on this rifle, I kept the Bushnell as a backup scope.

...I'm interested in their Xtreme Tactical Rings which would be mounted to Burris XTB Weaver-style Solid Steel Bases. If I went this route, what ring height am I looking at? Medium? Low?

The Bushnell only has a 40mm objective, so low rings are all that are necessary.

Don

JimJD
March 23, 2009, 10:26 PM
Thanks USSR on the ring height question, same to everyone else.

But now I'm really divided on scope selection. I've been reading about the Tasco/SWFA Super Sniper series. They sound good, and I read the 10x42 model has rear parallax adjustment. In addition, they have a 16x42 and 20x42 (without parallax adjustment). What do you members think? Please help, I'm confused.

Edit: Wait a sec... I went to SWFA's section on Ebay...all S.S. scopes have rear parallax adjustment?

MAX100
March 24, 2009, 05:48 AM
Go with Burris XTR 1" Low Rings and a EGW 20 moa base. The 20 moa base doesn't cost anymore than the EGW standard base. The one piece base will give you more slots to mount your scope to get the best scope position.

The 20 moa base will give you more elevation up top you will never need it on the bottom.

I would think about changing the stock out for a better one that will give you better accuracy. The Bell & Carlson aluminum block stocks are nice lower cost stocks.

I would go with a Variable scope with more power even though you said you will only be shooting out to 100 Yards. It's nice to be able to see the bullets holes.

GC

dat2
March 24, 2009, 09:57 AM
I put conetrol rings and bases on my 700, more for just something different to begin with, but they have been great. I put them on about ten years ago with a leupold scope and haven't turned a knob on it since, and it still hits where I point it so far

gotime242
March 24, 2009, 11:22 AM
Stupid question: But i will still be able to have a 100 yard zero with the egw 20moa base right?

And your sure the egw base and low rings will get the scope high enough to clear? (3200 10x40)

USSR
March 24, 2009, 11:26 AM
...i will still be able to have a 100 yard zero with the egw 20moa base right?

And your sure the egw base and low rings will get the scope high enough to clear? (3200 10x40)

Yes, and yes.

Don

gotime242
March 24, 2009, 11:39 AM
Thanks. For the life of me i cant find out how much internal adjustment i have in the 3200.

USSR
March 24, 2009, 12:38 PM
For the life of me i cant find out how much internal adjustment i have in the 3200.

While the Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40 Mildot scope is advertised as having 100 MOA of adjustment, in real life, most guys are getting just a little over 80 MOA (still, quite significant).

Don

gotime242
March 24, 2009, 01:11 PM
Wow, that is a bit. Good to know, thanks again.

1858
March 24, 2009, 02:47 PM
Stupid question: But i will still be able to have a 100 yard zero with the egw 20moa base right?

Don answered your question but I thought I'd add a couple of comments. The 20 MOA base will give you 20 MOA more positive elevation adjustment at the cost of 20 MOA negative elevation adjustment (but it's worth it). If your scope is half decent and you have it mounted on a zero cant base, the reticle should be close to the center of the vertical adjustment range if your rifle is zeroed at 100/200 yards. If you then mount the scope to the 20 MOA base, you'd need to lower the reticle approximately 20 MOA. Assuming 80 MOA of vertical adjustment, you now have plus 60 MOA and minus 20 MOA of verticle adjustment.

My other comment is that it's always a good idea to check/verify the vertical and horizontal ranges of your reticle. My Mark 4 8.5-25x has a real-world 84 MOA verticle adjustment range but not all of that is usable. With the Badger Ordnance 20 MOA base, I have -25.5 MOA and +58.5 MOA with a 200 yard zero.

:)

JimJD
March 29, 2009, 02:19 AM
EGW 20 moa base. The 20 moa base doesn't cost anymore than the EGW standard base. The one piece base will give you more slots to mount your scope to get the best scope position.

Mount the Burris XTR 1" Low Rings to this base?
http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dll/image?saleitemid=147376
EGW 1-Piece Picatinny-Style 20 MOA Elevated Base - Remington 700 Short Action - Matte (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productnumber=147376#enlarge)

1858
March 29, 2009, 02:39 AM
I have steel bases on all three of my 700s ... that's what I prefer. A good base such as a Badger Ordnance one-piece 20MOA isn't cheap but it'll last a lifetime in addition to providing repeatable results.

:)

JimJD
March 29, 2009, 05:53 PM
That's a nice base, but out of my range.
I took a look at EGW's website and went to the MOA FAQ, per their website:

"20 M.O.A. is generally used for shooting 600 1000 + yards depending on your scope and caliber."

Whoa there! I'd like to, but I'm not planning on taking this particular rifle/caliber (Remington 700 SPS Varmit - .223 Remington) out that far. Most of my shooting will be local at a 100 yard range, with the possibility of getting occasional access to a 1000 yard (I was told) facility that has points throughout. But that's a four hour drive...

From EGW: "Zero M.O.A. is generally used for shooting 0 500 Yards depending on your scope and caliber"

That sounds like it may be more in my range. Plus, from what I understand the scope I finally selected (Bushnell Elite 3200 5-15x40 325154T) has ample internal adjustment.
How does this sound to everyone? Am I missing something?

USSR
March 29, 2009, 08:00 PM
JimJD,

Here's the scoop. The 20MOA base can be used for shooting 0 - 500 yards, just as well as the zero MOA base. So, why limit yourself with the zero MOA base?

Don

JimJD
March 29, 2009, 09:29 PM
Ohhhhhhh. Ok. :o

1858
March 29, 2009, 11:55 PM
JimJD, I'm having a hard time following Bushnell's vertical adjustment specs ... "Adj Range in@100yds/mm@100m (50/1.4) but it looks like the scope you've chosen (http://www.bushnell.com/general/riflescopes_elite3200_32-3944m.cfm) has close to 50 MOA of vertical adjustment i.e. +/- 25 MOA. If you buy a 0 MOA base it should work fine out to 600 yards but if you can get a 20 MOA base for a similar amount of money, then as Don mentioned, it'll give you more options in the future plus your adjustment range (for 600 yards and less) won't be at or near the maximum limit of travel of the reticle which can be a good thing.

Come Up in MOA
77gr HPBT @ 2500fps

Yards MOA
100 0
200 2.5
300 6.0
400 10.2
500 15.2
600 21.1
700 28.1
800 36.2
900 45.6
1000 56.0

:)

evan price
March 30, 2009, 12:22 AM
My Rem-700PSS wound up with a Leupold "standard" one piece mount and a set of Leupold's medium height "standard" style rings. This mount has a twist in front mount and an alignment-adjustable rear. I mount a 6-24x44 in it and it is a nail driver. I decided I had no need for Pic-rail-type base on this rifle.

JimJD
March 30, 2009, 12:25 AM
Ok, that's good news. I'm not opposed to the 20 MOA one piece bases, they sound great. I just want to be sure and learn something in the process.
But in light of me using .223 Remington in a rifle that has a 1/12 twist, and rounds (factory and handloads) that will range from 35 to 55 grains; maybe even 62 grains if it performs well. Wouldn't I be pushing the caliber's limits at 600 yards?
That reminds me of another thing, I keep getting various info./opinions on the .223's max range. I know it varies with type of firearm, twist rate, bullet type and weight, etc.. But in my case and this particular rifle, what is it?

Thanks so much for the help everyone, and dealing with my ignorance...

MAX100
March 30, 2009, 04:03 AM
I have been given the correct & best advice on a 20 moa base but you still want ot do it your way. What more can anyone say.


GC

JimJD
March 30, 2009, 04:29 AM
No, it's nothing like that. I'm going to wait for the base or find it elsewhere.
:)

MAX100
March 30, 2009, 05:28 AM
You can order the base straight for EGW or I have them for $45 shipped.


GC

Pat4x4
March 30, 2009, 12:14 PM
look at the deadnutz mounts.. Super sold, and very high quality.. Great price to top it off.. the only mount I run anymore..... they make Moa 10, 20 moa models also.. no lapping and all one peice.. good stuff


http://www.dnzproducts.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=54&zenid=8b669a5d300227a80ffbb72dca6745c9



http://www.dnzproducts.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2&zenid=8b669a5d300227a80ffbb72dca6745c9

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