Most accurate/reliable rifle?


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Mayo
March 23, 2009, 04:47 PM
A few stipulations first:

semi auto
.223 or higher
out of the box


I'm always reading or hearing about how this rifle is THE most accurate and this rifle is THE most reliable. That said, these 2 rifles NEVER are the same. Thus, the answer must be somewhere in between. So I'd like to hear your opinions on the following:

1. Most reliable
2. Most accurate
3. Since 1 & 2 are different, the rifle that comes the closest to combining these 2 qualities is..................?:uhoh:

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oldFred
March 23, 2009, 04:49 PM
Mosin Nagant M91/30 without a doubt!

.30 caliber (7.62x54R)

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
March 23, 2009, 04:59 PM
Hard to say, but some of these would probably be in the running:

http://www.pof-usa.com/contact/contact.htm

"National Match" accurized M14 type.

tacweapon
March 23, 2009, 05:00 PM
Most accurate/reliable rifle?

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A few stipulations first:

semi auto
.223 or higher
out of the box


I'm always reading or hearing about how this rifle is THE most accurate and this rifle is THE most reliable. That said, these 2 rifles NEVER are the same. Thus, the answer must be somewhere in between. So I'd like to hear your opinions on the following:

1. Most reliable
2. Most accurate
3. Since 1 & 2 are different, the rifle that comes the closest to combining these 2 qualities is..................?

I would help if you could provide a price range or what is exceptable accuracy, but based on what you have said so far my recommendation is going to be a Robinson Arms XCR I might be a little biased since I own one but it is the most reliable rifle that I own and even I am capable of atleast 1.75 moa and I know of other people capable of 1 moa with it

dscottw88
March 23, 2009, 05:03 PM
I've put thousands of rounds through a couple of my AR15's and never had a jam. Then again, I've never had one with my .223 Saiga either. But the AR15 is king when it comes to accuracy. You want reliability and accuracy, you might consider the XCR mentioned above. Or get in line and wait around for Bushmaster's ACR.

Mayo
March 23, 2009, 05:08 PM
Remember----there should be 3 seperate answers.;)


No price restrictions.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
March 23, 2009, 05:12 PM
Most reliable: AK, Galil, XCR, or Daewoo.

Most accurate: HK PSG-1, Knights SR-25, Springfield White Feather M21 type M1A, top end custom AR15, hmmmm

dat2
March 23, 2009, 05:16 PM
Rem Model 700, reliable and accurate, I think it fits both

tacweapon
March 23, 2009, 05:35 PM
Rem Model 700, reliable and accurate, I think it fits both

but it does not fit the semi-auto requirement

Mayo
March 23, 2009, 05:40 PM
Most reliable: AK, Galil, XCR, or Daewoo.

Most accurate: HK PSG-1, Knights SR-25, Springfield White Feather M21 type M1A, top end custom AR15, hmmmm

That's 2 out of 3---no cheating.:)

nissantech
March 23, 2009, 05:45 PM
went and shoot my ptr-91 and it is the most accurate battle rifle I have. behind that is my saiga 308. behind that is my bulgarian ak-47, milled receaver.

ArmedBear
March 23, 2009, 05:56 PM
No price limit?

Well, then, there is a whole list of imaginary rifles that would fit the criteria.

Of what I own?

1. Mini-14
2. AR-15 20" HB
3. The AR, freshly cleaned, with plenty of Militec in it.:p

dat2
March 23, 2009, 06:06 PM
but it does not fit the semi-auto requirement

True, I need to read a little better next time I jump up and write sumthin'

JImbothefiveth
March 23, 2009, 06:09 PM
Mosin Nagant M91/30 without a doubt! That's not a semi-auto. Besides, it's accuracy is probably poor compared to a modern bolt action.

Pulse
March 23, 2009, 06:25 PM
1. Most reliable?
AK and there clones

2. Most accurate?
Walther WA2000 and other dedicated precision rifles

3. the rifle that comes the closest to combining these 2 qualities?

SIG550 and the new SIG 750

KBintheSLC
March 23, 2009, 06:32 PM
1) AK variant
2) AR variant (accurized/match/target grade)
3) M1A makes for a happy medium between reliability and long range accuracy. I also like the piston design of the Sig 556. It is heavier than an AR, but it is at least as accurate and significantly more reliable for dirty/heavy use.

ds92
March 23, 2009, 06:44 PM
that is the $1 million question my friend.
Now we get to hear what guns everybody has :D

rangerruck
March 23, 2009, 09:20 PM
I'll go ahead and combine all 3; for most reliable, most accurate, and semiauto, I would do a saiga all day, in 223 or 308. 762x39 is pretty accurate, and I recently did a cold test with mine, using 124 grain hollow points, at 50 yards, using front sand bags only. pulled off a 5 shot 1 inch group, at 50 like that, with a cold bbl.
but the 223 and 308 are capable of that same group at 100 yds, and I have done it multiple times. now then, both my rifles have been chemically treated, and though I will stipulate that it may have made mine more accurate than out of the box, I would not bet my life on it. Plus I have pulled of the above results, while having 2 diff sets of Saigas, a few years apart, so I will confidently , and with experience say, that saigas are pretty accurate.
Now then, are they as accurate as a well made ar, or piston drive like Patriot? Nope. but if you put unlimited mags on my table, and then mags in front of those others, and we just start firing, the others will fail first, no doubt, especially if we say, oh yeah, survival type mode; no rest, no lube, zombie hordes are coming down your street.

deerhunter61
March 23, 2009, 10:11 PM
I do not believe you outlined much in the way or the type of rifle you are talking about...

So my response is from my perspective which is hunting rifles. I own 2 Browning BBRs and both are the most accurate rifles I have ever owned and they shoot great. One is a 270 and the other is a 7mm Mag. They both can shoot 1/2 groups with little to no problem. Especially if the shooter is good! :)

gvnwst
March 23, 2009, 10:15 PM
I would vote for a .308 POF AR-10, accurate as heck, and super reliable.

Zak Smith
March 23, 2009, 11:33 PM
The AR-15 dominates in "action" shooting such as 3-Gun where reliability failures mean lost stages and accuracy counts.

H2O MAN
March 23, 2009, 11:50 PM
Your stipulation for a semi auto rifle to deliver both maximum accuracy and reliability right "out of the box" is a tall order.

The modern AR-15 standard rifle should exibit better consistency right of each and every
box and it should not require any tweaks or mods to meet your stipulations as stated.


That said, tweaks and mods are inevitable with me so my personal choice in an M14 that's been modernized by SEI.
I back my SEI built M14s up with an AKM that I modernized myself and I don't own an AR :evil:

http://www.athenswater.com/images/H2O-M14-5.jpg

http://www.athenswater.com/images/M14-DC-AKM-1.jpg

Quiet
March 24, 2009, 05:57 AM
SIG 510 AMT
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/cswimm/510-4.jpg

Hostile Amish
March 24, 2009, 09:27 AM
Sig 550

Matrix187
March 24, 2009, 12:20 PM
HK G3/FN FAL/m14

Mayo
March 25, 2009, 08:36 AM
Vepr ii?

Silverado6x6
March 25, 2009, 01:25 PM
Springfield Armory M1A for me with 168gr. match bullets and a Leupold Mk 2 scope. Or with NM irons.

AmEngRifles
June 1, 2009, 11:47 PM
I know it wasn't mentioned in the first post, but is cost a factor at all? Are you really shopping or just wishing? Cost always comes into play and in this instance, it would help to narrow the cartridge down to a single unit. I also take it "out of box" means that you want something you can still get brand new and hopefully serviced or parts for??

If you only had less than 500.00 that is a whole different set of availables than if you have 2k to spend. And then are you really interested in some foreign caliber like 7.62 x 39? Or the French 7.5 x 54?

Did you come to a conclusion on what YOU might be looking for? These posts always stay so open ended.

The mini 14 can be a nice little carbine if you are on a budget. But it is not known for it's accuracy. Price (estimated) 450.00 - 600.00

The AR 15 rifles are great performers, with accuracy and reliability on their side, as long as you keep them clean. price 800 - 1200

AK's, ultra reliable (as long as the builder does their part) but not known for accuracy. price 400 - 900

Other choices in ARs and 5.56, AR-180, Daewoo K-2, XCR, M-96, Sig 556, FS 2000, M-17, plus a few other harder to get things like FAMAS and original SIG 550 or FNC.

There are the old standbys like M-1 carbine, M-1 Rifle, FN-49, Hakim, Mas 49/56, Rashid, Johnson 1941, Century M-53, RPD, RPK, etc., etc. Older designs but reliable and some can be very accurate.

Then the ever popular 7.62 x 51 FALs, HK-91, Cetme, L1A1, M1A, AR-10s, SR-25s, Sig AMT, Saigas, Valmet, Galil, even the new Kel-Tec RFB.

You can see there are lots of choices and lots of opinions. I suspect that anything used by a tried and true military body will give you good service. Reed Knights SR-25 is used by SEALS and other Special Forces units. That is a pretty big endorsement. It is supremely accurate and if cared for properly and fed properly, is also reliable. But it will set you back at least 3k. And with that said, I believe you have some reading to do. Eventually it will be YOUR opinion that will count as well. All the best.

Rshooter
June 2, 2009, 03:29 PM
M1 Garand:neener:

xbox360
June 2, 2009, 04:25 PM
went and shoot my ptr-91 and it is the most accurate battle rifle I have. behind that is my saiga 308. behind that is my bulgarian ak-47, milled receaver.

+1 I agree with this, The PTR-91 is Pretty well made when it comes to accurate.

Schleprok62
June 2, 2009, 04:43 PM
Hmmm... no one has mentioned the Browning BAR... available in .243 Win and up... I've heard these are very accurate out of the box...

Seeing how a budget hasn't been mentioned...

Uncle Mike
June 2, 2009, 08:58 PM
WOW...Love that SIG 510 AMT. Always wanted one of those.... wanna sell it?
I know... stupid question. :D

How's it shooting-
Original or kit?

Whatever it is, it is a great looking rifle. I got a chance to shoot one of these fine rifles a couple of years ago... still not over it.hehehe:D

H2O MAN
June 2, 2009, 09:32 PM
My most accurate and reliable rifle is my Crazy Horse US NAVY MK14 SEI MOD 0.
It's a sub MOA performer right out of the box Smith Enterprise, Inc. shipped it in.

Mayo
January 10, 2011, 09:39 PM
Any new ideas out there?

nathan
January 10, 2011, 09:42 PM
M1 Garand .3006 without a doubt.

mattlove444
January 10, 2011, 10:13 PM
Hk91

GuysModel94
January 11, 2011, 01:49 AM
The answer to #3 is the Browning BAR in 30-06 with a 24 inch barrel, for me it also fills #'s 1 and 2!!!

Mayo
January 11, 2011, 09:48 AM
I have heard more then a few people suggest that the VEPR II is the ideal combination of accuracy and reliability---any thoughts?

Tirod
January 11, 2011, 11:35 AM
Barrett M107.

Reliable? sure. Semi auto, yes. Long range accuracy? Most others can't even shoot as far, they fail.

Clearly the reliable, semi auto, long distance precision rifle of choice when you really need to reach out and touch someone. :rolleyes:

dirtymike1
January 11, 2011, 12:33 PM
I don't if how well this applies to firearms, but it's the way of the world for cars. Of the following three you can only have two.

1, Fast
2, Cheap
3, Reliable

For me, I'd say the best combination of the three requirements that you have would be an AR platform. I love the Saiga that I have, but it doesn't hold a flame to AR's that I've shot in terms of accuracy.

Mayo
January 11, 2011, 10:06 PM
Let me come at this from a different angle---is there an AR that is as reliable as an AK?

frankenstein406
January 11, 2011, 10:09 PM
REM 700 or 600 bolt.

Zak Smith
January 11, 2011, 10:10 PM
Anecdotes are not data, but I've never had to do this to any of my AR's in the middle of a 3Gun stage

http://demigodllc.com/photo/CGMG-2007.03/smaller/D101_1722_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/photo/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_1722_img.jpg)

ball3006
January 12, 2011, 12:39 AM
I have three Mosin Nagant rifles that will shoot 1 inch or better. I paid 70 bucks, 90 bucks, and 150 bucks for them. They do this with Privi 150 gr sp ammo. Of course the Finns tweaked them a bit before I got them and they finished using them in the winter war...chris3

husker
January 12, 2011, 01:30 AM
Twas my Mohawk 600. But tonight I looked threw the Ednar scope on it,& the elevation hair had fricken come loose or drooped on the right side. Was just out hunting coyotes with it Sunday. That Ednar had been on that rifle since the early 80s. Never had to mess with zero. EVER
R.I.P Mr Ednar 3x9-32

nwilliams
January 12, 2011, 01:43 AM
I would probably say that the FN SCAR is high up on the list but I don't think there is a way to determine which is really number one, two, three and so on.

From my personal experience and from what I've read about how well the SCAR has performed in military tests I would say that it is probably a contender for the number one spot.

Grunt Medic TXARNG
January 12, 2011, 02:19 AM
I think the 7.62x51mm AR has the potential to be exceptional in both accuracy and reliability. The USGI M110 Semiautomatic Sniper System guarantees under .4 MOA - and based on my experience shooting it it delivers that and then some. Since Knight's is the only manufacturer of the M110 they would be good folks to talk to - but I'm also impressed by the rifles I've seen from Fulton Armory. I would stay away from the LAR-8 or Armalite designs, as both use proprietary parts that the others do not. Plus, I really like the 7.62 Magpul magazines - which will fit in any DPMS, Knight's, or Fulton rifle or similar.

My opinion only!

sappyg
January 12, 2011, 02:48 PM
had to go back and read the OP to answer.

the most accurate and reliable rifle i have owned was an H-Bar AR. it could do anything any of my scoped rifles can do but with battle sights. it never jamed and never missed. that thing was nuts and i wish i still had it.

C-grunt
January 12, 2011, 03:47 PM
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=18-556&cat=124&page=1&search=&since=&status=

451 Detonics
January 12, 2011, 04:50 PM
Normally the more accurate you try to make a gun the tighter the tolerances end up being. The tighter the tolerances normally the less reliable.

One of the most accurate semi-auto rifles I ever owned was a SIG AMT
Most reliable semi-auto I have owned is my Hakim
Best in terms of reliable and accurate FN/FAL

JohnBT
January 12, 2011, 08:00 PM
New idea? Nope. I still don't see benchrest shooters using autoloaders and you said "Most accurate/reliable rifle?"

sappyg
January 12, 2011, 08:31 PM
^^^

A few stipulations first:

semi auto
.223 or higher
out of the box

Hatterasguy
January 12, 2011, 09:57 PM
Sig550/STG90.

But I suspect the Scar 16 and G36 yield smiler levels of reliability.

You have to define how accurate you want. For an infantry rifle a few moa is accurate enough to put bullets in bodies. Target shooters tend to demand a bit more accuracy.

Mayo
January 14, 2011, 09:11 AM
Yeah, not for target shooting accuracy---more along the lines of infantry.

db_tanker
January 14, 2011, 09:42 AM
with price no object...


I would have a hard time between the SA58 SPR and the M25 White Feather. Either would do what I would want, I am sure.


with price as a consideration...

AR with a 6.5 Grendel upper and me own personal handloads.

Afy
January 14, 2011, 10:26 AM
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/afy08/IMGP1234.jpg
The STGW 57 in 7.5 Swiss

Mayo
January 18, 2011, 06:05 PM
Not really a consenus, but some interesting options.

Afy
January 19, 2011, 07:13 AM
When is there every any consensus on a weapon choice.

deacon8
January 19, 2011, 07:34 AM
How about a Belgian-Browning BAR? I inherited one in 7mm mag. I don't like to hunt with semi-autos and I don't like 7mm mags. However, if I were to hunt with a semi-auto, this is what I would take. Plenty accurate and I've never experienced any type of reliability issue, even though I've only put about 200 rounds through it (it was NIB when I inherited it).

Of course, I kind of get the feeling that military style semi-autos should be one of the stipulations, because that is all anyone has mentioned thus far.:o

Pete D.
January 19, 2011, 04:45 PM
In this now nearly two year old thread.....opinions abound. For a really accurate answer, a person would literally have to have shot all of the guns in order to have an opinion based on experience.
Otherwise many of us will simply pick the gun that we own (or that we would like to own). That's what I'm doing..
I have had a Colt AR HBar for fifteen years....bone stock still except that I added NM sights right after I got it.
It has never not worked. It is stunningly accurate allowing me to shoot 1/2 MOA groups without the aid of a scope. Other guns may do the same but I haven't used them so I don't really know.

Accuracy? ..... not for target shooting accuracy---more along the lines of infantry.
What does that mean? How do you determine better or worse accuracy without shooting at a target?
Pete

skipbo32
January 19, 2011, 05:45 PM
m1a / m14

the perfect balance between reliability and accuracy. its like combining an AR with an AK.

Pete D.
January 20, 2011, 06:44 AM
its like combining an AR with an AK.
With more power than either.

Pete

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