.35 Rem. Most hard hitting ammo available?


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danweasel
March 23, 2009, 08:20 PM
Hi guys,

I just was informed that I am going to be getting a .35 levergun (not sure what model or MFG) from my Father in Law. He says that he used to use it for his anti dangerous animal rifle. Of course, he is in California so the animals are smaller. What would be the hardest hitting ammo I could put in this thing? I have never owned a lever action before so I am pretty stoked. Also, would this be a good BEAR GUN? Hahahahaha. But seriously I carry a 12Ga right now for my woods gun and I might start carrying this instead. Dumb?

Thanks in advance,

Dan

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NCsmitty
March 23, 2009, 08:38 PM
Without a doubt, the Hornady LeveRevolution round is the most potent.
200 gr bullet at 2225fps out of a 24" barrel and about 2160fps out of a 20" barrel. It will work great for deer and black bear.
Regular Rem 200gr ammo is around 2000+fps.

NCsmitty

tango2echo
March 23, 2009, 08:43 PM
Good for bear. Keep shots under 100 yards. The Hornady ammo is top notch. IME it is as fast or faster than advertised.

T2E

woof
March 23, 2009, 09:36 PM
Black bear yes, bigger not so much. The .35 Rem is a great round but I'd want more against an angry griz.

Palo
March 23, 2009, 10:31 PM
+1 for the Hornady LeveRevolution round being the most potent.

ArmedBear
March 23, 2009, 10:34 PM
LE ammo is also very accurate. I was shooting at a rifle range with a guy who was trying the stuff out for the first time, in his .35 Rem Marlin 336. He was amazed at the groups it shot, and so was I.

WRT Griz, the only Grizzly left in California is on the flag. They killed 'em all a long time ago.

Strangely, the California treehuggers haven't decided to import a bunch of grizzlies to the San Fernando Valley, but they have no problem shipping Canadian wolves to us here in Idaho. We actually had wolves before they imported the Canadian ones -- which killed our natives. The grizzly, OTOH, is a natural inhabitant of California and was wiped out. Makes more sense to ship some into California than it did to ship the wolves here. I wonder how to lobby for that...

jim147
March 23, 2009, 10:46 PM
I,m not sure you can get it anymore but I have some old Winchester Silvertip ammo that does the job on game.

jim in Anchorage
March 23, 2009, 11:02 PM
Armedbear,you would NOT be happy if fish and game does a grizzly bear"reintroduction"in ID. they eat calves in the spring like candy,so get used to your hunting areas showing up "closed" or "drawing permit required"

saturno_v
March 23, 2009, 11:55 PM
The hardest 35 Rem. ammo, as far as I know, is from Buffalo Bore.

Their Heavy 35 Remington (220 gr. Jacketed Flat Nose) develops 2364 ft/lb from a 20" carbine barrel...it seems like a good thumper at short distances.

Link:

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=166


An Alaska fisherman that I personally know, did put down a big coastal grizzly with 2 or 3 shots with a 35 during a charge and he's got pics to prove it....seems adequate to me...definitely not the first choice but if you do your part and put that bullet (which must be a well constructed one, preferably a hard cast slug) where it should go, the round will take care of business....shot placement above all...

Of course someone sooner or later will tell you that the 35 Remington is barely sufficient for deer...your know....

shoey
March 24, 2009, 12:05 AM
Congrats on the acquisition!

I dont have one, but as far as the LeverEvolution ammo goes, its a nice round in 45 LC. Dont have any on game results though...no luck this year...

Hoppy590
March 24, 2009, 12:55 AM
.35 rem is a laughable solution for Alaska. scale it up to .450 marlin

Gordon
March 24, 2009, 01:18 AM
A .35 Rem, even with the the good old reliable 200 Grain Corelokt'd ammo will kill ANYTHING, including 1000 pound bears within 100 yards IF the bullet is properly placed. I've shot the big brown ones with a .338mag and a .375 H&H and watched locals use a .35rem a little closer than I did with about as good results. But who wants to hear the truth these days?;)

Hoppy590
March 24, 2009, 02:11 AM
im sure .38 special will kill anything with good shot placement.

but if i lived in Alaska and was being chased by a griz , i want to make as large a hole, as deep as possible, as many times as i can.

saturno_v
March 24, 2009, 02:32 AM
im sure .38 special will kill anything with good shot placement.


Sorry but that is a truly laughable comparison..

A 35 Remington is an over 2000 ft/lb ME cartridge with higher sectional density than the ~200 ft/lb 38 Special....one order of magnitude less powerful...a 38 Special would very likely fail to penetrate enough.

Everytime some may point that a circa 2K ft/lb cartridge can be adequate against dangerous animals at very close range, someone will bring in the equation the typical peashooter, a 22 LR, a 38 Special, 32 ACP, etc....it never fails....

Hoppy590
March 24, 2009, 02:47 AM
you didnt bother reading the last 2 responses did you ?

even if .35 was a good round for alaska, you could tell you you know hunters who killed Sasquatch with a .50BMG and id still want a .60.

saturno_v
March 24, 2009, 02:51 AM
I just read the "38 Special will kill anything" statement...

Hoppy590
March 24, 2009, 02:57 AM
it was meant to mimic those " well my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate killed a charging grizzly with a .22 SHORT rifle." post im sure we will see.

im not a big game expert, but i believe the general idea in big beast defense is big enough holes, deap enough, and enough of them...

for this reason id suggest a .450 marlin lever gun or a hot loaded .45-70

maskedman504
March 24, 2009, 03:00 AM
.35 rem is a laughable solution for Alaska. scale it up to .450 marlin

im sure .38 special will kill anything with good shot placement.

but if i lived in Alaska and was being chased by a griz , i want to make as large a hole, as deep as possible, as many times as i can.

you didnt bother reading the last 2 responses did you ?

even if .35 was a good round for alaska, you could tell you you know hunters who killed Sasquatch with a .50BMG and id still want a .60.

Congrats on never once attempting to answer the OP, you sir bring nothing to the table! He is getting a hand me down from his father in law. He is not buying a new rifle and debating the caliber- he wants to know the most effective round for his chambering.

Op, I would suggest the Buffalo Bore ammunition and a thick butt pad for the rifle!

Hoppy590
March 24, 2009, 03:05 AM
maskedman504

ask wahts the best flavor of crap, don't be surprised if some one offers vanilla iced cream instead

maskedman504
March 24, 2009, 03:07 AM
ask wahts the best flavor of crap, don't be surprised if some one offers vanilla flavor instead

Because a .350 Rem Levergun as a gift from a relative is crap. Right.

So your suggestion is to refuse the rifle on grounds of inadequacy. Thanks for your opinion.

Edit: I mis-typed .350 Rem; I was not trying to refer to the magnum cartridge. After re-reading my previous posts, I believe I was being passive-aggressive and detracting from this thread. I appologize for that.

Hoppy590
March 24, 2009, 03:09 AM
um he didnt say .350 rem (mag) he said .35rem

learn your rounds and THEN try to talk a tough game to me.

maskedman504
March 24, 2009, 03:14 AM
Contribute.

Hoppy590
March 24, 2009, 03:18 AM
NVM holding for specifics


EDIT: after conversing with maskedman504 via PM he seem pretty confident i am wrong. if i had 2/3's the memory i think i do, he had orignaly said

Because a .350 Rem Levergun as a gift from a relative is crap. Right.

now we all know THR ist always up on the "last edited" time line. anyway i am preparing an argument against .35 rem

stevelyn
March 24, 2009, 04:00 AM
I have never owned a lever action before so I am pretty stoked. Also, would this be a good BEAR GUN? Hahahahaha. But seriously I carry a 12Ga right now for my woods gun and I might start carrying this instead. Dumb?

I live out on the AK PEN. That .35 Rem. is plenty for what you want to use it for.

Ammo? Two words: Buffalo Bore.

Hoppy590
March 24, 2009, 04:06 AM
first id like to call to attention
the argument stating

The author of the thread never made the statement that the .35 Rem was a big game caliber; his father in law did. He is merely getting a gift and wanted to know the most effective loading. To that end, you provided nothing.

how ever the thread author asks

Also, would this be a good BEAR GUN? Hahahahaha. But seriously I carry a 12Ga right now for my woods gun and I might start carrying this instead. Dumb?


i feel i am with in my right to argue against the .35rem at this point. the .35 rem offers ballistics at or below the 30-30 round
.30-30 Win. (150 FP) 2390 1605 1902 858
.30-30 Win. (170 FP) 2200 1619 1827 989

vs
.35 Rem. (200 RN) 2080 1376 1921 841
all data from http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_ballistics_table.htm

i cannot believe anyone who lives/hunts in Alaska who who'd advice a .30-30 as a good woods gun. ( assuming woods guns means a defensive gun against bear, bull moose or other threats int he wood)

the ballistics just dont add up.

now i am ignoring the little discrepancy in individual post edits. such as where some one MAY have said .350 Rem ( i assume mag) instead of .35 rem ( two DRASTICALLY different rounds)

where as .350 rem mag puts out

.350 Rem. Mag. (200 Sp) 2775 2186 3419 2122
again from http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_ballistics_table.htm


it presents a much more reasonable round

and a good round when compared to my suggestion of .450 marlin


450 Marlin (350 FP) 2100 1397 3427 1516
again from http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_ballistics_table.htm

these numbers begin to seem more Alaskan bush to me

well even though i cant prove the mention of the .350 rem mag, as its since been edited, id like to see some one whos hunter advice a round thats UNDER 30-30 for carrying around in the woods ( assumedly for Self defense) as the OP states in the OT


But seriously I carry a 12Ga right now for my woods gun and I might start carrying this instead. Dumb?

ArmedBear
March 24, 2009, 09:36 AM
the .35 rem offers ballistics at or below the 30-30 round

Only if you're shooting paper.

It shoots a bigger, heavier bullet, and is suitable for larger game than the .30-30.

Clipper
March 24, 2009, 09:52 AM
PPPPHHHTTT...The only grizzlies within 1000 miles of Hoppy are in the zoo. I wouldn't feel undergunned anywhere on the continent with a .35rem...

Gordon
March 24, 2009, 10:21 AM
You'd have to see the 3/4" hole a 200 grain Coreloktd bores thru a moose side to side at 50 yards to appreciate why a .35 Rem is no thuty thuty.

saturno_v
March 24, 2009, 11:02 AM
You'd have to see the 3/4" hole a 200 grain Coreloktd bores thru a moose side to side at 50 yards to appreciate why a .35 Rem is no thuty thuty.


Who told you a Corelokt 30-30 in exactly the same situation would not go through as well?? Di you try and it bounced off?? :rolleyes:

shoey
March 24, 2009, 11:25 AM
You cant compare MV only. Ever. Not when debating the effectiveness of a round on game. So much more goes into play.

Wow. Does it even pay?

Yes, the .35 Rem is a great round. Maybe a bit less powerful than desired for really big critters, but certainly adequate for most situations, and more than adequate for most of those.

Gordon
March 24, 2009, 12:08 PM
I like the 30-30. The 170 grain load will penetrate elk ect. Completely (sometimes same as.35Rem) but leaves a 1/2" exit when it does.The 150grain 30-30 load is alot flatter shooting to 200 yards and works great on deer sized game BTW it is my truck gun.

Hoppy590
March 24, 2009, 12:45 PM
It shoots a bigger, heavier bullet, and is suitable for larger game than the .30-30.

but if you look at he the ballistics posted they are comparing the 30-30 and the .35 rem BOTH pushing a 200 grain and even though the 30-30 is pushing a 200 grain bullet and the 30-30 does it better.

modern loaders can improve the .35 beyond the 30-30. hornady currently lists good .35 load as does buffalo bore. both out do perform the 30-30's in 150 grain. i will conceed that .35 rem can be better than 30-30 in a good loading. but i just dont think its a 4 legged defense "woods gun" maybe i have the wrong definition of an Alaskan woods gun?


PPPPHHHTTT...The only grizzlies within 1000 miles of Hoppy are in the zoo. I wouldn't feel undergunned anywhere on the continent with a .35rem...
and your a thousand miles from Mexico city does that mean your opinion on Mexican military arms are null and void? besides, im sure Grizzlies and Bull moose run rampant in a suburb of Flint. hell your probibly killing a griz right now for looking at you funny...

Art Eatman
March 24, 2009, 01:00 PM
Y'all realize that if I went back and deleted all the Low Road nonsense, this thread wouldn't even fill one page? This is the High Road, not the Spoiled Brat's Playpen.com

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