5.56 primers


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HOLY DIVER
March 23, 2009, 09:18 PM
getting ready to load about 5000 rds for a friend
since i'm loading this many i wanna make sure i get it right
i'll either be using imr4320 around 24.3 gr
or h335 at 24.3 gr
do i need to use small rifle magnum primers?
or will reg ones work fine
oh i will be using 55grfmj bullets

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ArchAngelCD
March 24, 2009, 02:07 AM
According to the Hodgdon load data site they used a Winchester SR primer, not a Magnum primer when they tested their .223 loads with a 55gr bullet.

Besides that, both those powders aren't considered hard to ignite and with a charge that small a Magnum primer wouldn't be necessary. Also, I would use H335 if it were my ammo. (are you really going to reload for someone else?)

kestak
March 24, 2009, 08:32 AM
Greetings,

I already asked this question and I did not get an answer.

Is H335 the powder used to load our military 223?

Thank you

loadedround
March 24, 2009, 08:33 AM
I second the H335 with the 55gr bullet and SR primers. Excellent load for 1/9 barrel. Wouldn't use it in a Colt 1/7 twist barrel though. It usually will not stabilize and bullets will "pattern" and not group. I found this out the hard way after selling a LNIB Colt A2 sporter that wouldn't shoot...my error. :uhoh:

drumz2129
March 24, 2009, 08:46 AM
Is H335 the powder used to load our military 223?

BL-C(2) is what is used in the military 5.56 if i am not mistaken.

LongRifles, Inc.
March 24, 2009, 10:20 AM
If this is for an AR/M4 then I suggest a 7 1/2 rem small rifle primer.

The cups are tough and you want this since the firing pin is able to move when the bolt goes into battery. No slam fires this way. It's also a good thing because they are very consistent and if you run the loads hot it'll tolerate them better.

Good luck.

Chad

rcmodel
March 24, 2009, 10:55 AM
I doubt if anyone knows for sure what powder they are using right now for M-885 62 grain GI ammo.

WW-748 and H-335 were both once developed & used for the M-193, 55 grain load.


The Winchester WSR primer can be considered to be a Magnum primer, as Winchester only makes on Sm Rifle primer to cover all the bases.

Another great choice is the CCI #41 military primer.
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/primers/primers_prod.aspx?id=30

However, with the present primer shortage, you may have to use whatever you can find.


BL-C(2) powder was used for the 7.62 NATO round.

rc

ArchAngelCD
March 24, 2009, 11:43 AM
BL-C(2) powder was used for the 7.62 NATO round.
Yes it was....

As for the question about H335 and the 5.56/.223 round, yes, H335 was the originally powder used for the 5.56 NATO round.

drumz2129
March 24, 2009, 12:28 PM
As for the question about H335 and the 5.56/.223 round, yes, H335 was the originally powder used for the 5.56 NATO round.

Thats good to know. Someone at the place i get my reloading supplies told me BL-C(2) was used in the 5.56, unless I understood him wrong. I use Varget, BL-C(2) and H335 in my 5.56 rounds... Sometimes it boils down to what is avaliable at the time.

HOLY DIVER
March 24, 2009, 05:22 PM
ANGEL yea i'm loading them for a friend lol
so a reg small rifle primer will work just fine from what u guys said lol i think

robfromsc
March 24, 2009, 05:33 PM
you are aware that 25gn of h335 is max?

oneounceload
March 24, 2009, 06:12 PM
OK, I'll bring up one obvious question.....If you are charging or your friend is buying the stuff, YOU loading 5000 for a friend constitutes ammunition manufacturing, which, without a federal permit is strictly a major NO-NO and will get you several years in a small room with bars on the doors and windows

not something I would venture into :what:

freonr22
March 24, 2009, 06:16 PM
maybe he meant he was donating the materials so he can gain experience

RustyFN
March 24, 2009, 06:36 PM
oneounceload:
OK, I'll bring up one obvious question.....If you are charging or your friend is buying the stuff, YOU loading 5000 for a friend constitutes ammunition manufacturing, which, without a federal permit is strictly a major NO-NO and will get you several years in a small room with bars on the doors and windows

not something I would venture into
But he will get free meals, a place to sleep and make a lot of new friends.:D

Rusty

elkhuntingfool
March 24, 2009, 06:43 PM
OK, I'll bring up one obvious question.....If you are charging or your friend is buying the stuff, YOU loading 5000 for a friend constitutes ammunition manufacturing, which, without a federal permit is strictly a major NO-NO and will get you several years in a small room with bars on the doors and windows

not something I would venture into

So my father in law should go to prison for reloading for me?

RustyFN
March 24, 2009, 06:52 PM
So my father in law should go to prison for reloading for me?
If he is getting anything from you in trade or money then acording to how the law is written, yes. Even if he is ending up with some extra brass using some of it or your components to load for himself. Does that mean he will get caught, probably not. If somebody is loading for a friend and their gun blows up because the person made a mistake loading and they get hurt bad, then I would say there is a very good chance.
Rusty

45ACPUSER
March 24, 2009, 07:27 PM
Actually a lot of powders have been used to load the 7.62 ammo for Military use.
IMR4895, IMR4064, and others....

HOLY DIVER
March 24, 2009, 09:02 PM
ask something about primers and now i'm going to jail.....lol....letts say i'm going to lett him use all my stuff and help him through the process

Casefull
March 24, 2009, 09:53 PM
Any small rifle primers will work great.

RustyFN
March 24, 2009, 10:10 PM
ask something about primers and now i'm going to jail.....lol....
Everybody is trying to help you out with some friendly advice. If you want to reload for someone else and take the chance that's up to you, we aren't going to make you do anything.
Rusty

bfoosh006
March 24, 2009, 10:18 PM
http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=206....and on a side note, I've been loading for .223/5.56 for years... and have never used IMR 4320. Have you had good luck with it?

snuffy
March 24, 2009, 10:21 PM
ANGEL yea i'm loading them for a friend lol
so a reg small rifle primer will work just fine from what u guys said lol i think

See how long he is a friend IF something bad happens while he's firing those rounds. Even if it's not your fault. All he has to do is squawk to a lawyer, you'll spend the rest of your life paying for it!

But he will get free meals, a place to sleep and make a lot of new friends.

Just make sure you take a jar of Vaseline along!:evil:

jcwit
March 24, 2009, 11:03 PM
Its fairly obvioushe/they don't want to listen to you'all. If and thats IF, nothing happens all well and good, if it does it will be But, but, but Judge I didn't mean to screw up.

It only takes once.

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