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smartshooter.45
March 24, 2009, 05:17 AM
ive been lurking around the net the last few months just checking out prices for the popular systems out there. i stumbled across this yesterday. $549 for a NIB AMD 65. nice looking gun. ive been seeing the WASR-10's go for $549 NIB which is about $200 more then 6 to 8 months ago. the AMD 65 is built with higher tolerances and has a better trigger system. looks like a damn fine deal. AIM does a good job too.

does anyone have any firsthand experience with this rifle? id sure like to here your thoughts if you have.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Hungarian_FEG_AMD-65_7.62x39_Rifle.html

cheers

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WardenWolf
March 24, 2009, 06:01 AM
That forearm is hideous. I'm going to say that first off. The wire stock also ain't exactly pretty.

Personally, I'd pass. The forearm and buttstock require receiver mods which will prevent it from ever accepting standard AK furniture (unlike Tantal-style stocks and other forearms which drop into standard receivers). What you get is a proprietary AK setup that's not capable of ever being anything else, and with poor parts availability. It negates two of the main reasons for owning an AK: the ability to customize it however you want, and the ability to get parts from countless sources. If all you want is an AK-type rifle that you can shoot and enjoy, it may be for you. If you have dreams of wood furniture or other AK accessories, stay away.

Hostile Amish
March 24, 2009, 09:24 AM
The forearm is bad, and the stock looks like it's almost illegal.

Sam1911
March 24, 2009, 09:32 AM
Wow. Maybe I'm missing something. Looks like the garden variety AMD-65 to me. There were a whole lot of those kits floating around a few years ago and a lot of guys built them.

Not really a comfortable looking gun, to me, but what in the world is so odd, unusual or "illegal" about it?

Search for AMD-65 and see how many hits you get. These things were not as common as the Romanian "G" guns, but close, for a while.

-Sam

yoshi76
March 24, 2009, 09:38 AM
Yes it is just a Hungarian AMD-65 with synthetic furniture. You see these being issued to Iraqi soldiers in the news. I am not sure why people are surprised about them either they have been around. I kind of like them but I hear the buttstock is a bit uncomfortable.

HeatFan77
March 24, 2009, 09:40 AM
The Hungarian AMD is a unique AK variant. Why would you want to change it into something it's not?

Geneseo1911
March 24, 2009, 01:11 PM
I just can't get past the AMD steel forearm. It's like they were trying to make it hideous.

You can buy a more traditional AK at Classic Arms for the same price, and it comes with more crap.

If you like that look, by all means go for it, but it's not for me.

Prince Yamato
March 24, 2009, 02:14 PM
I admit, I never liked these until I held one. You have to sort of "think" about it for a second, then it grows on you. They're actually not bad guns.

nalioth
March 24, 2009, 02:44 PM
the AMD 65 is built with higher tolerances and has a better trigger system.Really?

It's manufactured here in the USA by Century's untrained monkey assembly team from cut up military rifles.

Both the WASR and this rifle use the same trigger components (courtesy of 922r).

I'd rather have the WASR - less monkey shines.

pat86323
March 24, 2009, 03:16 PM
We used to sell these at a place i worked the only real complaints that i had were the buttstock was kinda goofy and that forward pistol grip was downright inconvenient. When loading a 30 round mag into it the end of the mag is only about 1/2 an inch from the pistol grip when you try to remove that mag it can be a real pain in the neck. Just my 2 cents.

WardenWolf
March 24, 2009, 03:45 PM
My major complaint is that this particular folding stock requires that the receiver have no rear tang. That effectively ruins it, in my opinion, because if you decide you don't like that stock or it breaks, you can't replace it easily. There's a lot better ways to do a folding stock than that. About a year ago, I saw Polish Tantal stocks available for $10 each. Last I saw they were a bit more than that, but they're out there. Those, at least, drop right in with no alterations on a standard receiver that can still accept a fixed stock. There's also ways to achieve that basic forearm configuration without proprietary parts (Romanian furniture, anyone?).

nalioth
March 24, 2009, 03:49 PM
We used to sell these at a place i worked the only real complaints that i had were the buttstock was kinda goofy and that forward pistol grip was downright inconvenient. When loading a 30 round mag into it the end of the mag is only about 1/2 an inch from the pistol grip when you try to remove that mag it can be a real pain in the neck. Just my 2 cents. Ya know, they say the same thing about the Romy G rifles.

1) The Kalashnikov was not made for "gunslinging" (reloading in > 1 second was not a design consideration)

2) Most owners of the AMD-65 and Romy G that I know, can run their mags just fine. It just takes more practice than one can gets while standing at the gun counter.

Sam1911
March 24, 2009, 04:06 PM
My major complaint is that this particular folding stock requires that the receiver have no rear tang. That effectively ruins it, in my opinion, because if you decide you don't like that stock or it breaks, you can't replace it easily.

Would that make an AKS-74 "ruined" as well? It uses a proprietary rear trunion with built-in hinge so that when the stock is folded the rear of the receiver is flat. Having a tang sticking out would be a lot less than optimal.

The only difference I can see is that I would want to change out an AMD or Tantal's butt stock to something comfortable, and you'd have to be nuts to want to ditch the AKS version! :D

Just wondering...

-Sam

WardenWolf
March 24, 2009, 04:33 PM
The point is, there's other folding stocks available that don't require a modified receiver. The Polish one has a mounting block that comes out of the rear of the receiver, making it nearly flat with the stock folded. There's lots of ways to do a folder. Ideally, though, you don't want a modified receiver.

nalioth
March 24, 2009, 04:46 PM
The only difference I can see is that I would want to change out an AMD or Tantal's butt stock to something comfortable

The East German, Polish and Romanian side folding stocks are not permanently attached to the rifle. They attach to the regular stock tang.

The AMD-65, otoh, has an integral wire stock and hinge that cannot be removed w/o completely reworking the receiver.

Sam1911
March 24, 2009, 06:46 PM
The AMD-65, otoh, has an integral wire stock and hinge that cannot be removed w/o completely reworking the receiver.

Right, I understand. The AKS-74 and AK-10X series use a folding stock that is not easily changed as well. The hinge is part of the rear trunion, so there is no tang, which makes them shorter overall when folded. (Well, shorter than they would be with the tang-style folding stock, anyway.)

The big difference seems to be that someone would WANT to swap out an AMD stock and it would be a pain, whereas the chances of an AKS or AK-101 stock being undesirable would be pretty small.

Another thing, perhaps worthy of mention, is that, if I remember correctly, the AMDs all have to have a pinned and welded longer-than-stock flash hider to make 16".

-Sam

nalioth
March 24, 2009, 06:55 PM
The big difference seems to be that someone would WANT to swap out an AMD stock and it would be a pain, whereas the chances of an AKS or AK-101 stock being undesirable would be pretty small. Yeah, wire stocks suck (fortunately, most of 'em can be exchanged for a fixed stock 'when the glamour fades').

Sam1911
March 24, 2009, 06:57 PM
Yeah, wire stocks suck (fortunately, most of 'em can be exchanged for a fixed stock 'when the glamour fades').

Heh. Yeah, well, I've still got the Tapco "pasti-tastic" folder on my Romy... talk about the glamor fading! :o

-Sam

BTR
March 24, 2009, 07:06 PM
I don't think that is a century product. I don't know the manufacturer.

I do believe these rifles require you to use the included usa made magazine for parts compliance, unless you switch out some other parts.

Sam1911
March 24, 2009, 07:21 PM
I don't think that is a century product. I don't know the manufacturer.

I do believe these rifles require you to use the included usa made magazine for parts compliance, unless you switch out some other parts.

Wow, my feelings towards AIM would drop by a mile if that was the case and they didn't inform folks of it! And I don't see any mention on the advertisement that such is the case. Could be, though.

I'd guess the following are US parts:
Flash-hider (though it becomes part of the barrel, so non-issue anyway)
Hammer
Trigger
Disconnector
pistol grip
handguard/front grip
maybe the gas piston?
And probably the barrel, right? If these are recent-import kits, they'll need new barrels.

Thoughts?

Has anyone called or emailed AIM to check this?

At least they do sell it with a 20-rd. mag, which I believe is appropriate for how these guns were usually issued.

-Sam

sadp40
March 24, 2009, 07:49 PM
its an amd-65 with a regular stock, i been

hunting one for a while.


the regular ones are nice if they have the wood furniture.

these guns were designed to be used with 20 rounders

that why the 20 rounders are Hungarian.

i think they are a neat AK variant just like ak-103's or krinks or

whatever.

not all AR's/M4's are alike either.

heck i like them all.

Gunfighter123
March 24, 2009, 10:11 PM
The AMD - 65 is one of my favorite AKs and I own WAY MORE then one AK.

They work fine with 30 rd. stick mags or 75 rd. drum mags -- most anyone who owns one will tell you the same thing.

There are two basic AMDs being sold. One uses the original Hungarian barrel -- it IS chrome lined and the front sight/ gas block are closer to the hand guard. These use FEG receivers. Most are being built by TGI.

The other AMDs being built are made with a NODAK or other receiver and a US made non-chrome barrel ---- on these the front sight is around 4" past the end of the hand guard.

The wire stock takes some getting used to -- you do not have a proper cheek weld on it but shoot with a more "heads up " stance.

The "weird" muzzle brake works great and makes the AMDs one of the least recoiling AKs there are.

They are slimmer , lighter and with the front hand grip , one of the best AKs made.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/Jailbird123/DSC01730.jpg

pat86323
March 24, 2009, 10:50 PM
Just for the record i have shot these rifles in the field not just behind the gun counter. A good buddy of mine bought one against my advice and hes had it for like 2 years and still has problems getting a spent mag out.

Domino
March 24, 2009, 11:09 PM
The AMD-65 AK's do nothing for me personally. The stock is incredibly uncomfortable and wobbly and the pistol foregrip is unnecessary for anything except shooting from the hip.

Camjr
March 24, 2009, 11:24 PM
I really like my AMD-65. I don't have any problem with 30rd magazines. The wire stock is not flimsy or wobbly at all and the sights align quickly with my eye without a cheek weld. I wanted a very compact rifle in 7.62x39 and it fits the bill PERFECTLY for me.

Camjr gives it "two thumbs up"!!

Cheers!

SimpleIsGood229
March 24, 2009, 11:48 PM
I think the AMD is a very good rifle, but it's not for me due to its peculiar ergos.

However, this is a pretty good discussion that the OP unknowingly started. Thanks, smartshooter.45!

Storm
March 24, 2009, 11:53 PM
It does nothing for me. I'll be quite happy with my WASR.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5448/img5511p.jpg

Prince Yamato
March 25, 2009, 12:50 AM
Seriously folks, it's not as bad as some of you think it is.

pat86323
March 25, 2009, 02:32 AM
The only thing that i have to go off of is the one that my buddy bought and the complaints from customers when we sold them. I think that if you could remove that dumb front pistol grip and get some sort of normal front stock it would be a really nice rifle. I havent ever heard of them being unreliable or cheaply made i just cant stand that front pistol grip i can get around the folding stock but not that forward pistol grip.

Sam1911
March 25, 2009, 07:58 AM
the pistol foregrip is unnecessary for anything except shooting from the hip.

Aesthetics aside, this is just incorrect. A lot of our troops and an awful lot of 3-gun competitors are finding that the front pistol grip provides great control and manuverability. These are the kinds of guys who only use what works, aesthetics be d@mned.

If you really think about it, the statement doesn't even make sense. To shoot "from the hip" with a front pistol grip, you have to crank your support hand wrist up at an odd angle. Cradling the gun in your open palm -- the way you'd hold a conventional straight fore stock -- would be much more comfortable.

Remember, the WHOLE POINT of pistol gripped stocks, whether for the strong hand or the support hand, is that they give you a more natural grip -- when the gun is SHOULDERED.

As an exercise, make two fists and assume a "fighting" stance. Your hands will be clenched, up at chest or chin height, probably weak hand just in front of your strong hand. The "axis" of each fist is almost perpendicular to the ground. (Well, they'll be canted a little towards each other -- but that's a different thread!) Someone could almost set an AR-15 (with a forward vertical grip), or an AMD-65, or a Romanian AKM in your hands without you having to move a muscle. That's a very natural shooting position.

To say that you don't like the aesthetics is fine. A classic SxS double barreled shotgun or a Springfield rifle, or Garand, or whatever traditional gun you like, would look very odd with a vertical grip (in either location). But modern gun design is moving that way because for a lot of purposes it makes more sense.

But to say that it is "only good for shooting from the hip," is just repeating Brady Bunch garbage -- when the exact OPPOSITE is actually true.

-Sam

krs
March 25, 2009, 10:59 AM
Whenever I see "Made in Hungary" it makes me hungry.

Gunfighter123
March 25, 2009, 11:49 AM
Whenever I see "Made in Hungary" it makes me hungry.

:D:D:neener:

Gunfighter123
March 25, 2009, 11:55 AM
That forearm is hideous. I'm going to say that first off. The wire stock also ain't exactly pretty.

Personally, I'd pass. The forearm and buttstock require receiver mods which will prevent it from ever accepting standard AK furniture (unlike Tantal-style stocks and other forearms which drop into standard receivers). What you get is a proprietary AK setup that's not capable of ever being anything else, and with poor parts availability. It negates two of the main reasons for owning an AK: the ability to customize it however you want, and the ability to get parts from countless sources. If all you want is an AK-type rifle that you can shoot and enjoy, it may be for you. If you have dreams of wood furniture or other AK accessories, stay away.
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Not really so --- see link;
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=118059

skinewmexico
March 26, 2009, 12:19 AM
Amazing. I just can't force myself to by an AK, knowing what they sold for 6 months ago. Just write it off as a missed opportunity.

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