Mosin never get out of style even today


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nathan
March 24, 2009, 09:17 AM
Perfect sense to get one of this Russkies before they run out. A solid performer from Mother Russia, to attack into Germany, Chosin reservoir , jungles of Nam then to conflicts in Afghanistan from 1979 until today. Ammo is still for the getting at today's prices.

And to put it into perspective, it has played a role in the great battles of history . Simply deserves a place in one's collection.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Russian_1891_30_7.62x54R_Mosin_Nagant_Rifle.html


http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/mosin9130spec3.jpg

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SwearNoAllegiance
March 24, 2009, 09:24 AM
agreed!

Marcus5aurelius
March 24, 2009, 09:33 AM
What license do I need to have it ship right to my door? Or is that license not valid for this particular site?

sharkhunter2018
March 24, 2009, 09:58 AM
Definitely agree on that. Mosins currently occupy three spots in my safe.

I do have plans to get more in the future.

nathan
March 24, 2009, 10:01 AM
This is hard to say but it is without a doubt the sniper version of the Mosin rifle are still used by Islamist fighters in Afghanistan.

http://i316.photobucket.com/albums/mm331/marksman1942/Zaitsev/nagant11-1.jpg

nathan
March 24, 2009, 10:04 AM
I have two of, dated 1928 and 1933 all hex receivers.

Accuracy of my 1933 is as tight as my M 39 .

KSCCHTrainer
March 24, 2009, 10:32 AM
I have 2 M39's, an M44 and a 91/30. The 1942 Izhevsk 91/30 shows no signs of ever having been a sniper, but it's accuracy certainly exceeds the Russian's spec for it becoming one. Even the M44 (1944 Izzy) will group less than an inch at 50 yards with the right ammo and the M39's both live up to the Finn's famous reputation for superbly accurate rifles. Both of mine have SAKO barrels dated 1942 and Izhevsk hex receivers. One dated 1915 (underside of the receiver tang) and I can't find a receiver date on the other.

sharkhunter2018
March 24, 2009, 10:43 AM
Two M44's, one is a 1952 Pole and the other is a 1946 Soviet born at Izhevsk. The other one in a repro PU sniper. Rifle is an Izzy dated 1942 and the scope is of Soviet manufacture dated 1948.

I've never actually put the M44's on paper though. I have done it with the sniper trying to sight it in but those old school scopes are tricky. The crappy aluminum scope mount broke so I need to replace that.

shoey
March 24, 2009, 11:29 AM
I have 2. a 91/30 and an m38, both 1943 Izzy's. Good guns. My m38 has a mojo rear and will put all the rounds in the 7 ring at 50, semi rested, as fast as I can get them off aimed. Its a good gun and certainly does what I want it to, be a deer gun.

I havent had the chance to shoot the 91/30 much. I know it didnt much care for the cheapo Olympic ammo I shot through it once. I havent had a chance to really find some ammo that it likes.

SwearNoAllegiance
March 24, 2009, 05:21 PM
What license do I need to have it ship right to my door? Or is that license not valid for this particular site?

You need an 03 FFL, which is for Curio and Relic pieces. It permits you to order milsurps at near wholesale prices, have them shipped to your door. The benefit is that you can escape transfer fees and any background checks. You might also get dealer discounts from various sites like Midway.

Read:

http://www.cruffler.com/becomingcruffler.html

http://members.cox.net/cruffler/ffl.html

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp

The license is easy to get. Good for 3 years, and only costs $30.

The downside: The ATF can come over any time they want and make sure your bound book is in order and you cannot say no. But they try to schedule it. And they never really do this for 03 FFL holder's. They are more concerned about 01 Dealers.

cbrgator
March 24, 2009, 05:43 PM
The downside: The ATF can come over any time they want and make sure your bound book is in order and you cannot say no. But they try to schedule it. And they never really do this for 03 FFL holder's. They are more concerned about 01 Dealers.

Not necessarily. You have the option of meeting them at your local ATF office as well if you do not want them in your home.

SwearNoAllegiance
March 24, 2009, 05:48 PM
Oh yea. Forgot about that!

Pizzagunner
March 24, 2009, 06:17 PM
If all you are going to do with a C&R is buy an indifferently made POS design like the Mosin, you should probably not bother. The PPSh-41 won the war against the Germans, not the Mosin.

With the Mosin, the Russians lost to the Japanese in 1905. Lost/withdrew from WW1. Lost to the Finns in 1939-40 and got kicked nearly to death by the Germans for two years.

It's a good thing the Soviets lost the first part of their war with Finland. They were exposed to the overwhelming success of the Lahti designed Suomi M-31 SMG and largely copied it as cheaply as possible, first by updating the PPD-34 to the drum magged PPD-40, and then stamping out PPSh-41 models as fast as they could be made.

The subgun wielding Red Army then hosed down the Mauser toting Nazis just like the Finns had hosed down the Mosin toting Red Army.

Buying a Mosin means buying from the bottom of the barrel, the position the Mosin was in even before WW2 confirmed its extreme obsolesence.

Raines
March 24, 2009, 06:47 PM
Pizza, although I respect that you are allowed to have your opinion...I must totally, completely and most respectfully disagree. The Mosin is a fine weapon in all ways. I would have to say in my own opinion, its one of the finest rifles of its type ever made.

Saying the Russians lost those conflicts because of their rifle...Im not sure I want to get into that debate..but I would have to say I think there was many more important factors. And the Mosin, as fine of rifle as it is, is outdated, of course , by todays standards, I would certainly not want to take my Mosin to a gunfight with a guy armed with an FAL.

I love my Mosin...and will continue to do so for years to come, its history, its beauty, and its shootability will make it a common companion with me to the range. I hope that someday you'll come to see them as what they are, your depriving yourself the pleasure of a FINE rifle indeed.

Funderb
March 24, 2009, 06:51 PM
If all you are going to do with a C&R is buy an indifferently made POS design like the Mosin, you should probably not bother. The PPSh-41 won the war against the Germans, not the Mosin.



opinion granted.

But it is respectfully noted as wrong.

sharkhunter2018
March 24, 2009, 07:03 PM
While the Mosin may be an obsolete design, I certainly would NOT call it a POS.

You shouldn't forget the fact that the Soviets employed the most snipers of any country during that time. On top of that, they had more kills from snipers than anyone else. The psychological impact caused by snipers, most of which were armed with Mosins, took a huge toll on the Germans.

jpwilly
March 24, 2009, 07:19 PM
The psychological impact caused by snipers, most of which were armed with Mosins, took a huge toll on the Germans.

Agreed, same impact snipers in any confilt have on moral.

AllAmerican
March 24, 2009, 07:20 PM
So is it the Hex receivers we want? Or does it matter?

martinc64
March 24, 2009, 07:41 PM
While the Mosin may be an obsolete design, I certainly would NOT call it a POS.

Agreed.

It is a solid rifle that performs the function for which it was designed. There were better rifles around but it was adequate. It was reliable. It was easily produced.

It played a fairly significant role in the greatest conflict in the history of warfare.

That is enough reason for me to have one in my collection.

alemonkey
March 24, 2009, 07:42 PM
Not to mention.....what rifle besides the Suomi did the Finns use?

Why, it was the Mosin! Between that rifle and the Suomi Simo Hayha managed to take down a few hundred reds.

If you've ever handled or shot a Finn M39 it is most definitely not a POS. A new rifle like that today would probably cost at least a grand.

Dr. Fresh
March 24, 2009, 07:45 PM
It played a fairly significant role in the greatest conflict in the history of warfare.

Not to mention they still pop up from time to time in the world's hotspots.

sharkhunter2018
March 24, 2009, 08:37 PM
That is enough reason for me to have one in my collection.

WHAT!?! You only have ONE Mosin???? :neener: :D

martinc64
March 24, 2009, 08:53 PM
WHAT!?! You only have ONE Mosin????

Sorry, I am saving for a garand but I definitely want another mosin or two.

Duke of Doubt
March 24, 2009, 09:02 PM
1894 Chatellerault M91, and 1946 Izhevsk M44.

"Chat-el-ler-ault, and you're to blame; honey, you give guns -- a bad name!"

Gotta love a pre-(18)99. The best people can handle them ...

The M44 is what I use to shut up the macho students in strappy T-shirts (I moonlight as a firearms instructor). BOOOOM.

sharkhunter2018
March 24, 2009, 09:17 PM
Oh, ok. You're off the hook then.

Well, you're looking for a Garand and I completely understand that. You buy one of those, you might end up wanting another like me (own two M1s). Course, the same could be said for the Mosins. I bought an M44 and next thing i know, I end up with yet another M44 as well as a PU sniper.

Once again, I have reminded myself that I want another Mosin as well as another Garand. Oh well, what can I say? :D

AllAmerican
March 24, 2009, 09:19 PM
Hmmm still wondering about the hex receiver

RP88
March 24, 2009, 09:24 PM
With the Mosin, the Russians lost to the Japanese in 1905. Lost/withdrew from WW1. Lost to the Finns in 1939-40 and got kicked nearly to death by the Germans for two years.

sure, they lost WITH the Mosin, but the real reason why they lost was BECAUSE Joseph Stalin would rather use brutal political subversion to cause irreparable structural and psychological damage to his armies by killing the vast majority of his experienced officers than be open-minded and rational. And, because up until about 1940, the USSR was probably the most backwards country in the world.

oldFred
March 24, 2009, 09:34 PM
So is it the Hex receivers we want? Or does it matter?

The Hex recievers are OLD and more collectable if thats what you're looking for.

I like the round better and prefer a "shooter" rather than a closet queen.

cbrgator
March 24, 2009, 09:35 PM
Is there a difference in the functionality of hex vs round?

amwdc
March 24, 2009, 09:43 PM
nope , other than the round receiver are easier to mount a side rail scope to because there is no scallop cut on the side of the receiver.

AllAmerican
March 24, 2009, 09:49 PM
Thanks for the replies!

Im gonna order a few I think.

Duke of Doubt
March 24, 2009, 09:52 PM
Hex receivers are very marginally stronger. VERY marginally. But I like the look. By the way, "hex" is a bit of a misnomer. The top is patterned like an octagon (picture a stop sign), and the bottom is rounded.

kis2
March 24, 2009, 10:01 PM
i will never regret getting my mosin. 65 years old, polishes up nice and still shoots like a champ. now if only someone would sell me the scope and mount.... :)

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