How do you deal with "the gun guy" at work?


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Sam1911
March 25, 2009, 12:25 PM
Hi all,

Just got to thinking about a guy I knew at a job a while back and it made me curious to hear how others may have dealt with similar situations.

Folks close to me know about my interest in firearms, firearms history, firearms mechanics / physics, reloading, competition shooting, etc. Other folks I know a little -- through work, for example -- may get only the smallest glimpse of that part of my personality, for all of the obvious reasons. I'm pretty content to be the "stealth gun-guy" who might offer advice or a factual nugget if it seems appropriate, but otherwise doesn't draw attention to himself in that regard.

I have ended up working fairly closely, once or twice, with someone or another for whom "the gun thing" was a primary part of their public persona. Sometimes it is simply a bit over-the-top and silly. ("From my cold, dead hands" t-shirts worn to client meetings. Gun stickers that take up the entire rear window of their car...etc.) But sometimes it gets down-right inappropriate.

The most jarring example in my experience was the son of a contractor we were sub-contracting to on a large historic project who would bring up his (modest) gun collection and/or shooting exploits at any opportunity. Most often this was at lunch when the guys and young ladies (especially the young ladies) were a captive audience. He was quite proud of his AR-15, which is just fine, but he quite obviously used it as a "personality builder" ( -extender?) and, while no one in the very liberal/urban group we were with was ever anything but polite to him, they found it slightly intimidating and it just contributed to their opinion of him as off-putting, weird, and perhaps even a bit dangerous.

To me, his tales were a combination of silly and alarming. One Monday he walked up slowly wind-milling his right arm and rubbing his shoulder dramatically. "MAN, I'm sore! Put 300 rounds through my AR-15 this weekend! You should see the bruise!" That actually got a laugh out of me, but I don't think that was his intent. Other times he'd describe blatantly illegal and dangerous activities like shooting stray cats in the alley behind his house -- in a desnely residential section of a good sized city.

I never called him out on any of that, and kept the gun-talk to a minimum because I just wasn't comfortable relating to him through that and really didn't want to encourage further discussion. After a few months the job ended and we parted ways.

I think about it because I found it very frustrating. We're both "gun guys." We could have really hit it off and extended the "brotherhood" as it were. Or maybe I could have been a calming influence that encouraged him to be better informed, safe, and a better ambassador to the non-gun-owners all around us.

Anyone else end up in this situation? Conflicted between reaching out and helping a fellow "enthusiat" to mature, and just distancing youself from an overbearing blow-hard who's doing public-relations harm to our cause? What did you do? How did it work out?

Thanks,

-Sam

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General Geoff
March 25, 2009, 12:33 PM
I tend to keep my enthusiasm for firearms to myself unless someone else brings up the subject, and even then, I'll only join in if I have something pertinent to add to the discussion; not just "Oh yeah?? Well I just shot my (insert expensive rifle here) yesterday!"

My coworkers know I'm a gun nut, but once again I don't bring it up at work unless there's already a conversation about it.

This guy sounds like he just needs to grow out of the mall ninja phase. :)

Fisherman_48768
March 25, 2009, 12:34 PM
Arms length would be a good distance to keep him, in other words be polite but keep to yourself. Your gonna be judged by the company you keep and dogs tend to share fleas when they run together.

CoRoMo
March 25, 2009, 12:43 PM
Both of you are of the same race, but look at it from opposing positions.

The guy you described is likely looking for other 'gun-guys' to open up and discuss these topics with wide open comfort. You would prefer to go about it in the stealth way you do.

His behavior might embarrass you. Your behavior (or lack thereof) might also frustrate him.

You would like him to shut-up, he might wish you would speak-up.


Just my $0.02

SsevenN
March 25, 2009, 12:43 PM
I've been working at this sign shop for over a year and a half. At this point most everyone knows I reload, shoot, and generally enjoy talking about firearms. I don't bring up the subject often, but there are quite a few shooters here so a few times a week we get on a nice little rant.

Then we have the bosses son. Who is mostly likely bi-polar, and a bit of a duggie, (perscriptions, and what-not, lots of accidents when he was younger, he's definatly messed up)

He is truly a scary person, I'm technically his 'boss' and since I've delt with bi-polar types before, I do a very good job of keeping him focused on work. We, 'get along'.

BUT, he has a tendency to threaten his father, not to his face of course, but we very often hear. "blah blah blah blah, and then I'm going to shoot him in the head" (referring to his own FATHER). Not to mention his constant references to 'putting a bullet in his (own) head'.

Now I'm new here, more or less, and it makes me nervous. But his entire family has been hearing this type of rant most of their lives. It's disturbing, and not limited to his father either. His basic response to anything he feels 'demasculated' by is to announce his willingness to 'shoot 'em in the head'. (cops, people he doesn't like in town)

In the end there is nothing I can do, he is incabable of living on his own (lives in the 'shop' across the street that is part of the bosses property). His Dad isn't going to cut him off, so we all just have to deal with it. Most have written it off as just bluster, but I wouldn't be too suprised if he followed through one of these days.

Okay, rant over. I figured it was a wierd 'gun guy at work' story and worth sharing. In the end there is nothing I can personally do except quit, which I won't be doing until I have a better job lined up, and doesn't seem to be coming together in the current economy.

Regards,
7

HoosierQ
March 25, 2009, 12:44 PM
Your alarm may be justified...and not just an annoyance.

That business about shooting stray cats is pretty scary stuff...and more than a little cruel. I mean this didn't sound like "I had to shoot a feral dog who was harassing my calves" kind of a thing...a perfectly normal and necessary act. Nor was it "got a great buck this weekend" kind of a thing...another perfectly normal, traditional, and downright all-American activity. This sounds like the dude kind of got off on killing something that wasn't game, wasn't a threat, wasn't a varmint in need of control, or wasn't something he was going to eat...etc.

When animals start getting killed out of cruelty (again not game, not varmints etc), I begin to wonder where the "mall ninja" thing ends and predictors of criminality begin. I would not go for that kind of interaction either.

Stirling XD
March 25, 2009, 12:44 PM
"I just got into Amway and I can't wait to tell you ALL about it.";)

wyocarp
March 25, 2009, 12:45 PM
Sounds like a great work day. Don't be so thin skinned. You couldn't find anything to talk with him about? I'd rather have that than the other way around.

jerkface11
March 25, 2009, 12:49 PM
That business about shooting stray cats is pretty scary stuff...This sounds like the dude kind of got off on killing something that wasn't a varmint in need of control

No experience with feral cats I take it.

CoRoMo
March 25, 2009, 12:50 PM
shooting stray cats is pretty scary stuff...This sounds like the dude kind of got off on killing something that wasn't a varmint in need of control

stray cats = a varmint in need of control

True or False?

Don't mean to get off topic here though.
I'll agree with wyocarp. I'd rather have to "put up" with a guy like that than to walk on eggshells and hide my life from an office filled with rabid antis. Given the choice between the two... which would you choose?

I know a guy that was fired because he was a gun owner.
I'd rather work somewhere that would 'tolerate' this guy and myself rather than living in the shadows and conditioning myself into being ashamed of my hobby/interest/passion.

You are not a guilty criminal -- stop acting like it. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=405208)

I'll stop my rant now.

wyocarp
March 25, 2009, 01:09 PM
To me, it makes for a great Monday morning to be able to say to someone, "So, did you shoot anything over the weekend?"

"Sure did. I shot my 50 BMG over the weekend and even got a gopher with it."

"Wow. The only thing I got was a stray cat that was acting like it was going into heat again."

DHJenkins
March 25, 2009, 01:09 PM
I like to play "one up".

Got a bruise after 300 rounds? My wife fired 1,000 and never complained.

Still talking about that AR-15? I just finished building my 7th.

etc, etc...

The more ridiculous your claim, the faster they quit playing.

youngda9
March 25, 2009, 01:16 PM
Serial killers generally start by killing cats and small animals. Stay away from this guy.

hso
March 25, 2009, 01:19 PM
Anyone else end up in this situation? Conflicted between reaching out and helping a fellow "enthusiat" to mature, and just distancing youself from an overbearing blow-hard who's doing public-relations harm to our cause?

We all end up in that situation. I always take the "helping to mature" approach. If I'm the good quiet respectable "gun guy" and the attention is going to the "weird slightly scary" gun guy that hurts our position.

HoosierQ
March 25, 2009, 01:20 PM
On the cat thing.

The OP noted that this cat shooting business took place in an urban area where shooting anything is illegal. That was my take away.

Yes, feral cats are a problem indeed and I would agree they qualify as varmints.

Perhaps I should have added "I had to take care of a feral cat problem around my place" as an example of "normal" behavior...which it would be...I agree.

I do stick with my original idea however...shooting things in the city where it is illegal to do so and very likely dangerous to people is a predictor (not a guarantee) of criminality. I don't think the OP meant to say that the guy had a feral cat problem...killing chickens kind of a thing which happened to us when I was a kid. He meant, as I read it, the guy shoots cats in the city for kicks. That's wacky.

Water Garden
March 25, 2009, 01:20 PM
There are clones of this type person everywhere I have ever worked. We had one fellow who would always wear some type of tell-tale gun gear to work for the sole purpose of wanting to express his supernatural knowledge on the subject. He would also (on casual day) wear a kung-fu uniform and ninja boots.

CoRoMo
March 25, 2009, 01:25 PM
He would also (on casual day) wear a kung-fu uniform and ninja boots.

LOL!!
http://www.gungfu.com/pics-general/pics-apparel/apparel-chinese-uniforms-kung-fu-gear-t-shaolin-style-warrior-monk-robes.jpg

Funderb
March 25, 2009, 01:28 PM
"MAN, I'm sore! Put 300 rounds through my AR-15 this weekend! You should see the bruise!"

hahahahahhaha.
it must have been a joke, or he doesn't own an AR.

I've done something similar with the mosins, you should have seen THAT bruise!!! :neener:

this guy sounds like he is new to shooting, and wants everyone to know.

just firmly remind him you aren't comfortable with that kind of talk.

searcher451
March 25, 2009, 01:36 PM
There are gun guys, and then there are "gun" guys. The second variety are easy to ignore, and I generally do, often with a small remark along the lines of, "Your boasts and braggings are out of line and not welcome here -- not today, not ever." On the other hand, the first variety are always welcome. The true gun guy at my work is a former 30-year LEO who was hired to do security. He's terrific: knowledgable, solid, stand-up, smart, funny -- everything you'd want and exactly what you'd expect from someone in his position. I always enjoy the time and conversation I get to spend with him.

Sam1911
March 25, 2009, 01:39 PM
Wow! Lots of replies! Thanks for the thoughts, guys!

I do really enjoy getting to talk shooting and hunting with my co-workers when that's appropriate, and I've been fortunate to work more places where that was acceptable than where it isn't.

The issue I'm mostly interested in is dealing with the (seemingly) mal-adjusted, or maybe just lonely, guy who likes to intimidate and unnerve people with his "gunny-ness." Even more so if he can get some "bad-boy" points by bragging about illegal and very unsafe activities like discharging a rifle within his urban neighborhood.

(Feral cats are varmints? Sure. Firing 5.56mm rounds in a city alley full of cars, people, and the windows of the surrounding homes is a completely illegitimate plan for dealing with them. Either way, it probably never happened. He just talks the talk.)

It is tempting to play the one-up game, and it would be pretty easy to "win," too, but I can't help feeling that this is buying into his game -- which I want no part of. One-on-one this is fine and probably will give him some needed perspective. In a public group of un-gun-educated young people who I might like to make a positive impression upon? Not so good.

I didn't mean to make this about that one guy I knew, either. As WG said, there are closes of this guy everywhere.

Part of why I opened this discussion is that I don't think I did what I perhaps should have done. I talked guns with him very briefly on one or two occasions but for the most part I just eneded up letting him ramble. I could have tried to shut him up. I could have tried to buddy up and reign him in. Instead I just let a month or two pass knowing he'd be gone soon. I'd like to think I could have helped somehow.

-Sam

Zach S
March 25, 2009, 01:44 PM
I am the gun guy at work.

However, I'm not the loud, obnoxious, "from my cold dead hands," "300 rounds from my AR gave me a bruise," "use birdshot for home defense" gun guy.

Other "gun guys" don't like me. Just like car guys, I call them on their BS. I figure if I can tell they're gonna get on my nerves, I can tick em off or make them look stupid early, and they'll leave me alone.

Nuke8401
March 25, 2009, 01:54 PM
I’ve been in this job about 3 months; I work with a loudmouth ex-cop, expert hunter, expert fisherman, expert on every subject in the book. He constantly talks about politics and guns. He essentially harasses everyone with a different political opinion than his. I normally don’t wrestle with pigs, because you both get dirty and the pigs like it (My use of this old saying is not in reference to COPs, I have respect for most COPs). But I had to make an exception for this guy. I told him I had a Glock 9mm, of course he said his Kimber was far superior and that .45 ACP was the only real man stopper. I shoot IDPA regularly, SSP EX, and think I am on the verge of making master; plus a little 3-gun (tactical) when I get a chance. So I told him I was a new shooter and interested in practical/action pistol shooting and asked him to take me shooting at his club, he reluctantly said OK. Well after our little club get-together he has become pretty meek about his expertise as a shooter. I did get the opportunity to shoot his Kimber (Ultra compact II?); I wanted to make sure he knew I could spank him with any gun, even his. Things are much better at work now; he has even backed off the political commentary. By the way, his Kimber was a jam-o-matic, are they all that way?

So the moral is, treat bullies like bullies, take them by surprise and hit them hard and they will leave you alone.

mbt2001
March 25, 2009, 01:56 PM
Uhhhh....

Usually people like that, I just nod my head and say non committal things and be polite and go on my way. Sometimes, if they are doing something that violates my principles, I will say as much.

But usually, I handle them like you handle crazy people... Just nod and make your escape.

MagnumDweeb
March 25, 2009, 02:13 PM
I'm probably 'that guy' but I wait for people to ask a question or saything blatantly anti and stupid. Otherwise I'm smiles and laughs. Bad enough (i've been told) I look like a serial prison rapist(meaning that guy you don't want to ever share a cell with), and have my head shaved at most times. I've talked about my builds, it's a lot fun and once you appreciate the PITA it really is and the maturity it takes to be patient and discplined at cutting a mm of steel minute and not to rush the job(rush equals really expensive paperweight). But I don't talk about them at school, "oh you build guns, call the ATF", I don't build guns, I refurbish them, but most people don't understand that.

I don't like people who run their mouths or make incredible claims, I'd take them and spank them at the range but that's part of my time to relax and decompress outside of going to the gym, it's my 'me' time. I do like telling them they are wrong and explaining to them how they are idiots but that's the extent. And a bruise from 300 of .223, yeah no, maybe forty rounds of fully-loaded 12 gauge or a hundred round of .308 Winchester (I've stopped shooting both because my cache is less than 2k of .308 and less than a hundred of 12 gauge).

I would have called him on the stray cats, but then again I'm the idiot who punched a man in the throat who had a 1911 pointed at his chest (granted he didn't have the hammer cocked, and it was definetly only a SA model, turned out to be a Llama, I hate Miami.

DHJenkins
March 25, 2009, 02:16 PM
...He would also (on casual day) wear a kung-fu uniform and ninja boots.

That I would pay to see.

Along the same lines, I used to work with a remarkably flamboyant graphic artist at a screen printing shop. No graphic descriptions, thankfully, but just on and on about their lifestyle. Every friday, this person came into work in full-on drag; and not pant-suit paula drag - more like 'looking for a good time' drag.

30mag
March 25, 2009, 02:31 PM
I call BS on the cat thing. Unless he has a suppressed rifle, I think the shots would have been reported... particularly if he lives in a 'dense urban' area and he has made a habit of it.

mljdeckard
March 25, 2009, 02:41 PM
There's a bit of a fine line to keep your eye on.

I was younger and louder-mouthed once too. I wasn't as bad as the guy you describe, but I definitely went too far more than once. Hanging out with more mature people helped me learn the difference between being a gun person to look too cool, and doing it as a person who is serious about rights and personal safety.

On the other hand, if he is showing real tendencies to do illegal things and brag about them, I would let someone else wear off the rough edges before I got involved in his life in any significant way.

ZeroCool
March 25, 2009, 06:02 PM
I'm the gun guy at work- though the good kind. To my surprise (in Baltimore, MD especially), I have been well received. I dont preach about it and only provide my opinion/insight when asked or if I feel that I have something useful to add.

I organized a work shoot and let everyone who wanted to "play" with my toys - didnt even make them pay for ammo. Most had never shot before so they went from the .22, to the 9mm P99, to the Kimber 1911 and then to the 9mm AR-15 (indoor range - no rifles). Everyone had a good time. Some have recently asked when we will be doing it again.

Since then, 3 of my co-workers have bought their first firearm. I gave advice to all 3 of them on what to buy based on what they wanted (1 Glock 17, 1 XD and 1 Ruger SR9). While I'm sure there were other factors influencing their decision, I like to think I may have played a small role. ;)

Sam1911
March 25, 2009, 07:16 PM
There's a bit of a fine line to keep your eye on.

I think mljdeckard hits pretty close to the heart of why the whole thing bugs me.

We were all young once. Some of us were young and stupid! Some of us were young, stupid, and boorish, all at the same time -- at least on some days. But with the right influences, maybe we were encouraged to become less so, sooner.

I'll admit that I spent a fair bit of highschool dressed like an A-Team extra (wore combat boots to the prom...several times) and probably would have bought every tacticool bolt-on I could have afforded if those things had existed back then. And I'd had an AR to hang 'em on. (Didn't have the heart to shoot cats, though.) I know that "me, now," would have little patience with "me, then."

If I'd (me, now) have given up on me, then, I'd (me, now) have missed out on seeing me (then) becoming a better me and that would have made me (now) pretty disappointed in myself (both)! (Or something like that.) :eek:

How do you draw that line between someone who is best kept at a distance and someone who really could use a grounding influence, but will shape up just fine?

We tend to talk about "that kind" of gun guy who wears cammo to a wedding, brags about his finely honed killing skills, downs a 6-pack of Old Milwaukee while on the firing line, tortures small animals, shoots road signs, buys a Mossberg "road blocker" (:p), and files down the disconnector on his SKS -- vs. -- "our kind" of gun guy, as though there were, literally two kinds of shooters, good and bad.

To be fair, my "pal" was not well-adjusted but most of us knew at least some of the reasons he was so (big chip on his shoulder about his Daddy whom he didn't get on well with...but was employed by). He was obviously lonely as he!!. He talked a big game about his AR, but it was all newbie fluff -- nothing that couldn't have been tempered or quieted had I put forth some effort. As several have said, the whole cat thing was almost certainly a lie to get more reaction/attention. Who knows, maybe he was not such a bad dude, and I just needed a huge dose of patience.

Or maybe attention would have brought out even more outlandish braggadocio and created a monster.

I'm sure I'll never know. Still don't feel like I did right, back then.

Thanks again for all the thoughts.

-Sam

chuwee81
March 26, 2009, 12:37 AM
well, i kinda appreciate the "gun" guy at my work place because he initiated "shoot day" once and now about 2-3 guys are hooked and we have been doing this for a couple of months (once a month trip). He is a bit of a "know it all" type a deal though and it gets kinda annoying. He is the kind who shoots only .40 and .45 because he thinks 9mm is "puny" and rag on my 9mm sigma (which i outshot him with on 3 different occasions).

Got too many guns for his own good and certainly on the lazy side of cleaning his guns. He's more of a flashy kind of guy and you can tell from his collection; an HK USP.40, Sig P220 .45(?), Taurus PT1911, Rock River Arms AR-15 (can't zero his scope).

One time i brought my tacticool 10/22 (Tapco T-6, bull barrel, red dot, 50 rd mag) to sight in my red dot and i let him shot it. After the trip he commented on how it has no kick, no practical use, etc. Basically he won't admit how fun little gun it is because it's not of the "macho" caliber size. Well, to each his own but after i "burn" him at the range, he never rags on my sigma anymore.

Duke of Doubt
March 26, 2009, 08:02 AM
Guns are like a lot of things. When the blowhard starts to tell dubious stories or play up rather unimpressive accomplishments, ask him for specifics while granting him temporary credulity:

"Oh, really? A cat? How much did you have to lead him? What load did you use?"

"Three hundred rounds only? Were they hot loads? What load do you shoot out of your AR most?"

Eventually he'll back off or even correct himself, and start to knock off the bull.

A sense of humor can go a long way to disarm the office gossip:

"Kill any cats lately?"

"Say, what's the season on California Condors?"

yooper_sjd
March 26, 2009, 08:29 AM
wow, bruised for 300 rds out of a AR-15. guess this gent would not like to go to the range with me and shoot a 100 or so rds of 45/70, might get a dislocated shoulder or throw his back out working the lever :scrutiny:

I don't want to say i got big bore just to beef up my attitude, I was raised around .308, shot m-14 20 yrs in the navy, and shot the m-16. Prefer to feel the recoil, and like the feel of wood furniture compared to plastic. just my own personal preference. But I do like to break out the .22 and shoot up a brick in a day no problem. Like many of you have stated, normaly just give an input when the subject is broken. other than that, I do not broadcast on my vehicle with the black out stickers and logo's on bumber and rear window. But if you did see the 'bunker" you might raise an eyebrow and ask what is this or what is that. I have found a new interest in mil surplus weapons. any age, any country and fund my purchases as able on a good price.

So already beyond my car, bike and lady stage. Now it is just old weapons for an old weaponeer:D

MachIVshooter
March 26, 2009, 09:12 AM
Serial killers generally start by killing cats and small animals. Stay away from this guy.

If you're going to regurgitate psychobabble, at least get it right. The studies that you want to quote show that people who later become sadistic killers are often guilty of torturing small animals to death in their younger years. They do it not for the kill, but for the feeling of power and control as they look that small animal (and later person) in the face and see the terror. It's erotic for that kind of sick person. Kind of the same way that rape isn't really about sex for most offenders.

I have shot a few feral cats, and hundreds of other varmints, as have many others on this board. There is a big difference between killing a pest and tormenting a small animal. While I enjoy the heck out of varmint shooting, it turns my stomach to see any animal suffer, and I will go out of my way to minimize the time an animal is alive and wounded as the result of an imperfect shot.

So as it pertains to the OP, the dude's behavior isn't particularly alarming in this respect unless he starts talking about killing the cats in ways that are intended to inflict pain and fear on the animal. The discharging of a firearm in prohibited places is an issue of poor judgement and violation of law, not one of immoral behavior.

Hungry Seagull
March 26, 2009, 10:51 AM
Ive learned to keep big mouth shut.

One previous job was full of gun users. And a mix of different reasons of these guns. An agreement among the whole workgroup was impossible.

CoRoMo
March 26, 2009, 11:52 AM
I have a brother that is a lot like this, however, he is not so much of a gunny. He is a blowhard, annoying loudmouth. He is not young, and I can't imagine that any amount of age will mature him out of his ways.

There is not a whole lot that can be done with his type. You could try the 'helping to mature' approach, but he'll just argue and speak over you and tell you the sky is orange and never blink. It is always best to just ignore and avoid.

I tend to be quite reserved and slow to speak (except on THR;)).

Rockwell1
March 26, 2009, 12:07 PM
There’s a security guard where I work that not only loves to tell tall tales he has an absolute knack for telling the worst possible person. He’s told another guard (who writes for several bow hunting magazines) about his friend who went hunting with a 110# pull bow and had an arrow bounce off a deer at thirty paces. He’s come back to my office on rounds to regale me with stories about how he did so well in basic training (to be a 71L) that they made him a junior MP and he accompanied “the Sergeant Major” to arrest Majors and Colonels at Ft Jackson.

I generally handle him by acting interested but asking questions he really can’t answer. For instance the time he told me how he threatened to beat the snot out of a Drill Sergeant for talking smack about his mother, I asked him why they didn’t give him an article fifteen on the spot. Or the time he told me how one of his guards had his weapon confiscated because it had a 1&1/2# trigger pull and I asked “Really? 1&1/2 pounds on a double action trigger?” “Well no it was single action.” Now the reason he even told me this was because he was telling me how the guard had an epileptic seizure and managed to empty the gun during the fit. So I asked “oh really he was able to cock and fire the pistol while having a grand mal? Six times, that’s somebody I’d like to meet.” About that time he decided it was time to go patrol the donut shop.:D

Enginetech88
March 26, 2009, 12:16 PM
I work with a few mall ninjas. Try to ignore them, call them out on their BS if it involves someones safety. Its very annoying and he gives us all a bad name. They are pretty much blowhards on everything, so noone really listens. I also work with "one of us". Hes been working there for almost a year and I just found out he does alot of shooting and reloading. Him venting about the mall ninjas, and him not knowing I knew what a "mall ninja" was. :cool: So it works.

Norinco982lover
March 26, 2009, 12:35 PM
I'm the "stealth" gun guy but once you get me started...I won't shut up! Stealth is good.

~Norinco

mordechaianiliewicz
March 26, 2009, 12:47 PM
I used to be the resident mall ninja. I wasn't the complete vision (never wore camo to a wedding, that's amazing) but I was known for gun stuff and iritated the crap out of people concerning this.

Then, I got older, understood that virtually everyone doesn't care. That the other gunnies at a place will like me much more if I'm not so apparent, and that people in general will like me better if I don't talk incesantly about it. (Actually, it took me long enough, but I try to listen to others quite a bit now. People would far rather talk about themselves than hear about you anyway).

Being more low key has led me to take more than a few folks to the range. (The local range finds the people that I bring in very amusing, mainly because they are a strange assemblage of races, genders, ages, etc.). People know I'm a shooter, they get an interest and they ask me if I could take them shooting. It tends to work out pretty well.

USASA
March 26, 2009, 02:08 PM
I cannot cite the source but, just within the last week I read somewhere a company put a policy in place that, "no gun discussions were allowed in the workplace."

If I can find the source again...I will post it.

Rezin
March 26, 2009, 02:33 PM
Not very many people know I am a gunny. I prefer it that way. I don't brag about it, I don't talk about it very often, and if I do, it's low key and only to certain people. I laugh at the big bragging gun guys, most don't know half of what they think.

...as for the cat killing comment, I think that shows mental problems. Unless the cat is a real issue, *** is the use of killing it? I know so many "tough guys" that brag about killing cats.... I don't get it......

But this is a touchy subject for me, as I have had a person I know brag about shooting at a "stray" that turned out to be MY cat that got out one day while bringing in groceries. Shoot MY cat, you have a problem.

Like any group, there are way too many idiots. Car guys, bike guys, gun guys, there's ALWAYS a loudmouth idiot or two.

I generally shut up and talk to my wife and a couple good friends, cause I swear, there are only a few good folks left on this earth.

kentucky bucky
March 26, 2009, 02:35 PM
They must be an extension of his "manhood". There are always Bozos in any activity. Many will mature and change, and some stay stupid.

Sixtigers
March 26, 2009, 04:26 PM
I am that guy. Sigh.

I love cats, though.

deano186
March 27, 2009, 02:06 AM
My cousin was one.
He'd shoot a cat off someone's porch!
Aside from that he was a great guy and never hurt anyone

deano186
March 27, 2009, 02:19 AM
I think I take turns being the 'too into it' gun guy with a few others at work. I catch myself and back off, then someone else takes a turn.

moooose102
March 27, 2009, 09:11 AM
i guess i am rather consevative also. my wife just says i am paranoid. anyway, yes, i have had to deal with one or two people like that over the years. like you said, mostly young kids, who really do not know themselves yet for who they are. so they try to impress others by telling them what a man he is. other than pulling him aside, and telling him what he is really doing (bragging to look good, which may or may not work) and you do not want every one else knowing about your hobby, there really isnt much you can do about it. just keep your anwers short, and to the point, and tell him if he wants advice, you will gladly give him assistance if he does so discretely. of course, if he starts telling everyone that you said this or that, you will have to quit helping him. sometimes, it feels pretty nice to be a mentor. if he is smart enough to accept it.

deadin
March 27, 2009, 10:09 AM
How do you deal with "the gun guy" at work?

Introduce him to the gun boards on the internet.:D

On second thought, DON'T! We have enough blowhards and "experts" here already.:evil:

Redneck with a 40
March 27, 2009, 10:12 AM
I work in an automotive shop, 9 out of 10 of these guys are gun owners/shooters. I'm very open about my interest in guns/shooting, we talk about it all the time. :) I've got targets posted on my locker, no one has said anything about it, other than "great shooting", or "are those you're reloads"?:D

bottom shelf
March 27, 2009, 10:57 AM
Heh heh. Some of these experiences are pretty good.

I work in an office where gun are generally considered to be verboten, but there was one feller who was very open about his exploits with guns, hunting, SD, etc. Whenever he learned that someone has a gun; had a gun; ever went hunting, has fired a gun, has touched a gun or knows what a gun is, his first questions to them: "How many deer you kilt?"

He didn't survive many staff "house-cleanings" around here.

stiletto raggio
March 27, 2009, 07:04 PM
Things are a little different for me because I'm an Army officer. Strangely, there aren't as many gun people in the Army as I thought there would be. My problem at work is when my NCOs, who learned to shoot from their old NCOs, who learned from theirs, etc., often don't want to listen when I have some specifics on technique for them to teach the Soldiers. I am an officer, and officers don't know how to shoot, right? Yeah. It is hard for a young officer to put his NCOs in their place, even when the officer KNOWS he is right.

Anyhow, I find the biggest issues with the "gun guy" are in social settings. Mostly, I don't like it when people get mouthy about guns in my presence. Because I live and do business near an Army installation, a lot of the local dealers will try to BS people. They figured out pretty quick that I A) was not going to be sold a $700 Glock because "that's what the Navy SEALs use" and B) that I wasn't going to let some soldier get screwed in my presence. The bad guys are the ones I warn everyone I talk to about.

Guns are great. I like guns and am confortable around them. Some people don't and aren't. Being aggressive about it doesn't make them more comfortable, it just reinforces the negative stereotype that every dimwit in Hollywood or on Capitol Hill has propogated. If another gun owner is making a fool of US (because non-gunners WILL lump all of us together) I make a point of telling him to tone it down. If he doesn't, I'll tell him to shut up. I'll then do some damage control. We can't afford to sit there and let the idiot Mall Ninjas represent us any more. Otherwise, I'll talk guns socially but only if someone else brings it up and it is an appropriate venue.

The Freeholder
March 27, 2009, 08:41 PM
I refuse to be a closet gun guy any more. I am not going to be treated like some sort of leper (look how great things have worked out for smokers and the obese). I own guns, I shoot and I'm now and certified instructor (yay me). I don't hide it. I also don't go out of my way to bring it up. If someone sees the NRA sticker on my car and asks, fine. If someone asks me what I did over the weekend and I have been to the range, I say so. I don't go out of my way to proselytize. Much. :)

adrenalyn
March 27, 2009, 10:15 PM
I had a similar guy at work who claimed he shot a deer at 1200 yds with a 7mm magnum. I asked him how he knew the range....he said because his rangefinder only went up to 1000 yds. ??? I asked him how high did he hold over the deer to make such an impressive shot. he said about 16". All you can do is laugh i guess. Like Ron White says, " You cant fix stupid! " I like to listen to their fairytales for entertainment purposes. I like to watch bugs bunny too.

LoneCoon
March 27, 2009, 10:36 PM
I am the gun guy at work.

That's not to say that the CEO doesn't have a rack full of AR's, and the president of the board doesn't have multiple Vickers, though.

But because I'm young and don't hide the fact that I own guns, everyone comes to me for advice when something firearms related comes up.

publiuss
March 27, 2009, 10:59 PM
SsevenN, you need to cc all the time and find a new job as soon as possible. That guy IS dangerous and is gonna snap at some point in time.

Greg_TX
March 27, 2009, 11:05 PM
Actually, the subject has been coming up more and more at work and elsewhere these days, so I have plenty of opportunities to talk about it. It seems to be on the minds of a lot of people, which I guess is part of the reason why the shelves are empty and the ranges are full. I don't hold myself out as being an expert, but if someone expresses an interest then I at least teach them the safety rules first and then how to go about finding a suitable weapon that works well for them. I always offer to take someone to the range with me if they seem interested enough.

The only "gun guys" I have a problem with are the ones who seem to be unbalanced and have deeper issues than just running their mouths about guns. These are usually the idiots you find waving an "unloaded" weapon around in a room full of people, and sometimes hear about on the news. I have no use for them and resent the negative example they make of themselves.

DAVIDSDIVAD
March 27, 2009, 11:08 PM
LOL, sometimes at school it gets on my nerves, and I hate watching action movies because my brother asks me if I saw X model gun every single time a gun pops up on screen.

desidog
March 27, 2009, 11:21 PM
This kind of guy is what gives gun owners a bad name - no, not crime related articles accusing the model or type of gun to be the instigator - but by talking to a bunch of non-gun people and being an obtuse ****.

There is a time and place for everything, and this is the reason why i type about guns here instead of disturbing coworkers.

The kid mentioned in the OP needs to be checked ... i'd say slapped, but no one reacts well to even a verbal slap... they just might dream of storming through the office pumping round after lead hot round into friends and coworkers alike. It would be great if a little suggestion would work. If not, steer clear. The cat thing is definitely messed up... who brags/ admits to illegal activity? ...someone who wants to get caught/ is stupid / is juvenile / is deranged.

I'm single, and justify the loot i drop on my guns (mainly when between girlfriends, as it happens) as "well, i could have taken a girl out to a great dinner, picked up the tab, decided she wasn't for me and gone home...or stayed at home, watched tv and now i have ammo for the weekend (or a bottle of single-malt). If you know some good lookin & smart ladies who want to hear me talk about my guns...PM me their numbers!...but i haven't encountered any, and i've been looking for 28 years. But i digress; talking about guns in front of non-shooters leads to more problems than solutions.

texgunner
March 28, 2009, 12:19 AM
Quote:
How do you deal with "the gun guy" at work?

Introduce him to the gun boards on the internet.

On second thought, DON'T! We have enough blowhards and "experts" here already.

Agreed. All we need is another Gecko45 or Gunkid. :eek: :rolleyes:

Mr White
March 28, 2009, 07:35 PM
Most of the people in my immediate workgroup know that I like to shoot. Not too many of the people in my overall department know that about me. I'm not uber-secretive about it but I don't advertise it. There's a guy in my office who has all the makings of a Gecko45 but hasn't yet taken that final step. He would always stop in my office and start talking guns. Didn't matter who came in, he kept talking. Finally I asked him privately one day to please stop doing that, that I didn't feel particularly comfortable talking about guns at work, particularly around my boss, who's immediate family was a victim of tragic gun violence. (He didn't really care that I talked about guns, I asked him once, but I used it as an excuse and it worked.) We'll talk occasionally now, but he's taken the hint and has become more discreet about it.

I have other friends in our department who I am 'gun buddies' with, and our conversations regarding firearms are discreet, with an understanding that what we talk about stays between us.

KyJim
March 28, 2009, 08:18 PM
The topic of guns doesn't come up a lot where I work and I don't go out of the way to talk about them. When the topic did come up one day, I found out one of the secretaries had been a champion shooter in .22 rifle (think world class). Seems she is a natural and out shot Marine snipers the first time she picked up a rifle (her dad was a Marine). She was offered a scholarship in shooting but turned it down. Anyway, you just never know about your co-workers. :)

Southern Rebel
March 28, 2009, 08:35 PM
Serial killers generally start by killing cats and small animals. Stay away from this guy

Absolutely - I know about a vicious gang that does that. They masquerade as "animal adoptions", but I know that is just a front because they kill numerous cats and dogs every year. They go under the name of:

County Animal Shelter :rolleyes:

I know - weak attempt at humor - but whether we like it or not, human society has some established principles on when it is ok to kill certain animals and when it is not. Before we generalize, we need to understand that, as in this example, some little old ladies (doing the best they can with the extreme overpopulation of cats and dogs) will fall into our generalization trap merely because they were trying to help in a helpless situation.

Having said all of the above, there ARE cases of extreme animal cruelty that are beyond what any civilization would approve and can be an indication that the individuals involved are likely to be a danger to society. Therefore, your contribution to the discussion is valid, but just needs to be quite a bit better defined.

(My name is Southern Rebel and I am a gunaholic!)

TRGRHPY
March 29, 2009, 12:06 AM
Conflicted between reaching out and helping a fellow "enthusiat" to mature, and just distancing youself from an overbearing blow-hard who's doing public-relations harm to our cause? What did you do? How did it work out?


I had something similar happen only with motorcycles. I raced sportbikes at the tracks in CA and worked with/knew a guy who rode them on the street. He was a complete jackass with how he rode and represented the worst of what people see in sportbike riders. I spent a lot of time with him trying to get him to mellow out a bit and tried to get him to go on track-days with me. It wasn't long before he tried showing off in front of our work one morning and I got to taste his blood in my mouth when I initially tried giving cpr after he t-boned a truck while he was going approx. 100 mph. When people at the scene tried to blame the mc, I had to tell them that it was the tool behind the controls who caused his own death. Some people just don't get it and never will. OTOH, I have also talked to a lot of other riders and influenced them to take their speed to the track and relax on the streets.

If I don't really know anyone who is over-the-top with guns, does it mean that I am that person? haha


Anyway, you just never know about your co-workers.

When I was meeting people at my church, I met several people there who were in to firearms. One of them who does some writing on the subject mentioned to me and pointed out a little wisp of a girl, maybe 13 y/o, who he said is an excellent cowboy action shooter. Whoduthunkit? Not me. Like you said, ya never know...

Evnldr
March 29, 2009, 12:46 AM
I work with a few gun people.. what i don't like is the joking... EX I joke and say im gonna kick ya booty.. he says i guess it depends on who gets to their car first... he jokes about shooting thugs.. I always say i love shooting but in defense Guns are a REACTION not a Action.

LightningJoe
March 29, 2009, 07:00 AM
Yes, feral cats are a problem indeed and I would agree they qualify as varmints.


"Feral" cats eat vermin. They've been doing that for thousands of years. We let them into the house a while ago, but they haven't changed much.

Cannonball888
March 29, 2009, 08:56 AM
I don't talk to the other "gun guy" at work. He's a poser.

w_houle
March 29, 2009, 09:13 AM
I stopped listening to the shop "gun expert" because this guy will make your head hurt:
AR-15 up has a serial number and is suppose to be treated like a gun in and of itself.
He and his buddy routinely shoot milk jugs from a mile away with an '03 Springfield
To get an SKS to go "Full auto", just flip the sear.
All you need is a "Class A" license to buy machine guns
He can cloverleaf with his buddys fitty cal sniper rifle at a mile away
:banghead:

308win
March 29, 2009, 09:20 AM
It's been stated in other threads here recently: "get/keep the stupid out of your life".

JWF III
March 30, 2009, 12:04 AM
I am the gun guy at work.

However, I'm not the loud, obnoxious, "from my cold dead hands," "300 rounds from my AR gave me a bruise," "use birdshot for home defense" gun guy.

Other "gun guys" don't like me. Just like car guys, I call them on their BS. I figure if I can tell they're gonna get on my nerves, I can tick em off or make them look stupid early, and they'll leave me alone.


+1 on everything that Zack S said.

Wyman

Travis Bickle
March 30, 2009, 01:12 AM
How old is this guy? I could see myself acting that way when I was in my teens, and maybe in my early 20s, but if he's any older than that, I think this behavior is a sign of a serious personality disorder.

Travis Bickle
March 30, 2009, 01:25 AM
I stopped listening to the shop "gun expert" because this guy will make your head hurt:
AR-15 up has a serial number and is suppose to be treated like a gun in and of itself.
He and his buddy routinely shoot milk jugs from a mile away with an '03 Springfield
To get an SKS to go "Full auto", just flip the sear.
All you need is a "Class A" license to buy machine guns
He can cloverleaf with his buddys fitty cal sniper rifle at a mile away

I used to work with one idiot who claimed that he took a gun on an airplane and it was perfectly legal since it was unloaded and he had a CCP. He also said that one day, the Crips and Bloods pulled up outside his house and started shooting at each other, so he got out his "9mm bush rifle" (I don't even think there even is such a gun) and shot them all.

The thing that surprised me was that this idiot actually had a girlfriend, albeit she was almost as stupid and annoying as he was.

DAVIDSDIVAD
March 30, 2009, 10:57 PM
I had an air conditioner guy in my house when I was home for the weekend being the biggest D bag I've ever encountered.

Well, he's going on and on to my mom about his meager life accomplishments when he gets extra smug and starts going on about his "conceal gun permit."

I was sitting there, reading on the couch when I just glanced up at him and LOL'd on the inside.

To be honest, I didn't believe him about it, as I carry my 1911 comfortably inside the house (read: printing like a maniac ) and I'd been walking around in front of him beforehand.

This guy was seriously an ass.

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