Sig. 226 9mm vs. Beretta 92FS 9mm?


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sigbear
March 25, 2009, 06:52 PM
I own 4 different 9mm pistols, however, I am curious as to who owns the sig. 226 and Beretta 92FS both in 9mm, and what your thoughts are on these two?

Here's my take on them, I bought both new 3-4 years ago.

Beretta 92FS:
Never ever a FTF of any kind regardless of ammo.
I think it's a better looking gun.

Sig. 226
2 issues with the slide not locking back after the last shot. Both times were the 2nd time out with the new gun, and at 200-250 rounds.

The 226 has been FTF free for about 6-8000 rounds since

For me, I get much tighter groupings with the sig.

If I had to choose only one, it would be the Sig. 226 only because of the better accuracy "for me", and I like the de-cocker feature better than the manual safety on the 92FS, also IMO the trigger is better on the Sig. 226.

What's your take?

Sigbear

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boricua9mm
March 25, 2009, 07:02 PM
Most of the problems with SIGs failing to lock back after the last round is due to the position of the shooter's hands. If you are used to a "high thumbs" hold, or are used to resting your thumb on the safety of the 1911, chances are you are resting your thumb on the slide lock, which prevents it from engaging the slide. I've seen this happen to a few people, and after telling them to watch their thumbs, the problem vanished.

As far as 226 vs. 92FS, I am more of a SIG & HK guy when it comes to semi-autos, so I would choose the SIG every time. With that being said, a friend of mine just picked up a 92D Centurion that has an insanely light DAO trigger. That pistol is awesome!

Mayo
March 25, 2009, 07:28 PM
No question---go with the SIG.

Lone_Gunman
March 25, 2009, 07:56 PM
No question-- go with the Beretta.

Dan Crocker
March 25, 2009, 08:16 PM
I've never liked the ergonomics of the Beretta. But it is a fine gun. The ol' Swiss-German shotgun wedding of SIG-Sauer works for me and that's what I'd go with.

rellascout
March 25, 2009, 08:25 PM
Whichever one fits your hands better........

gmh1013
March 25, 2009, 08:25 PM
I had the 92 about 10 years ago and must have shot 5k rounds from it with no problems....the more I shot it the better it became. Like a D.A. I sold it because my then GF did not like guns and I was P.W'ed.
I have a SIG 2022 that so far is ok....but not as smooth as the old 92f.
I would take the 92 just for old time sake.

PAPACHUCK
March 25, 2009, 08:48 PM
I have a Beretta 92FS and a Sig P229 in 9mm(not a P226, but close).

I love both, shoot both very well, and won't be parting with either any time soon.

I don't like to play favorites with my babies.

Pizzagunner
March 26, 2009, 12:51 AM
I have two 92s and I had a P226, but I sold it.

My observations:

Equally reliable.
Equally tough.
Beretta more accurate and faster to shoot for me.

The Beretta falls to my hand better. It has better grips and grip options.
The Beretta shoots better for me, the SIG feeling more flippy with a higher bore axis.
The Beretta is far more lefty friendly, the decocker being only for the right thumb on the SIG.
The standard Beretta finish is better than the SIG of the 90s, can't speak to how they do them now. My SIG's slide was on a continual rust watch.
The Beretta doesn't have a trigger bar spring that started digging its way through the frame towards the mag catch hole. As I understand it, that was corrected in the mid-90s.
The Beretta trigger is creepy, with some pretravel and some overtravel, but a D spring costs about $2.00 and is a one minute fix that mitigates these sins.

The SIG was more trim, but not as much as one would think because it is still huge for a 15+1 9mm.
The SIG had a better mag catch button.
The SIG take down latch is better.
The SIG trigger was better in DA, but not so much in SA and harder to home gunsmith.
The SIG had more cachet, probably because it didn't become the M-9 and get run ragged by the Army only to get bitched about by vets.
The SIG probably has better resale because it has never sold as many and it initially cost more.

Final verdict. Both are best of breed old school service 9mm duty pistols. Brand new, there is not $150 worth of "better" in the SIG. In fact there is none at all.

PPGMD
March 26, 2009, 01:31 AM
The SIG trigger was better in DA, but not so much in SA and harder to home gunsmith.

Huh? I home gun smith mine all the time. You just got to know what you are doing.

SJ78
March 26, 2009, 03:34 AM
I own the 92fs and have shot the 226 many times . I've found the Sig 226
shoots a touch more accurate . But if i had to pick i would go with the 92 !
imo it's just a great reliable and better looking gun imo . But the Sig is a great gun as well . Just depends on which a person likes better

Pizzagunner
March 26, 2009, 11:23 AM
I knew what I was doing, but a clean up of a 92's DA pull is so easy all I meant is that by taking the grips off, depressing the mainspring cap on a hard surface, knocking out a pin. Ease the pressure. Replace the spring. Reverse process, and then I had a whole world of difference in DA. Took less than two minutes. The SIG wasn't difficult, but not as easy to tinker with as that.

skeeter_08
March 26, 2009, 11:31 AM
Sigbear, you answered your own question better than anybody else could!

blkbrd666
March 26, 2009, 11:50 AM
I would pick the Beretta, but you should stick with the Sig...berbear sounds funny and makes me think of carpet.

kmh3212
March 26, 2009, 02:03 PM
The Berreta looks like a piece of fine art that is too pretty to shoot and the Sig looks like a Catapillar bulldozer ready to tear things up.

sigbear
March 26, 2009, 06:48 PM
berbear sounds funny and makes me think of carpet.

blkbrd, you lost me on the berbear?

ScareyH22A
March 26, 2009, 07:16 PM
I say Beretta because it's more accurate. I'll never be convinced that a regular off the shelf 226 is more accurate than an off the shelf 92FS. Also, the 92FS is more sexy! Seriously, I'm not gonna lie, aesthetics conjure up all kinds of images in my head that attracts me to guns just like girls. =P And I think Sigs look like biophysicists and Berettas look like Victoria's Secret lingerie models.

aliasneo07
March 26, 2009, 08:13 PM
Eh its hard to say.

Both are reliable, well made firearms.

If I had to shoot one at a bullseye competition, it would be an M9. If it was a duty gun or something I needed to depend on, it would be the 226, though the M9 is pretty reliable.

Just my preference.

Frandy
March 26, 2009, 08:55 PM
Hmmmm.... Let's see...

Beretta 92FS and Sig 226
http://homepage.mac.com/franman/.Pictures/Handguns/226_and_92FS_640.jpg

I have a number of Sigs. But, I kept the Beretta and sold the 226. I will keep my 228 and 220, but in 9mm, it's the Beretta that I like in my hand. But, both are fine pistols, and this is simply a matter of personal preference.

Yo2slick
March 26, 2009, 09:05 PM
Beretta!!! But I cant knock the SIG. Both are great guns but I like the Beretta the best. Mine looks real good in stainless!

blkbrd666
March 26, 2009, 09:48 PM
blkbrd, you lost me on the berbear?

It was a joke on "Berber" carpet...and you having to change you screen name to berbear. Seriously, can't knock Sig, but Beretta 92 will always be my go to gun even though I own one of every popular brand in 9mm.

jmr40
March 26, 2009, 10:01 PM
I went through the same thing a few months ago and sold my Beretta. Both are great guns and I would trust either with my life, but my Sig was much more accurate, had simpler controls and a better trigger. I've handled and shot enough examples of both to know that I could have picked up 2 different guns and the Beretta may have been more accurate. In my case it was an easy decision.

dec7th1941
March 26, 2009, 10:51 PM
I notice many members are replying Beretta as their favorite, to which I agree, personally -- I find more efficiency in accuracy, break-down, and feel; however, i agree with aliasneo07 from post #18

Both are reliable, well made firearms.

If I had to shoot one at a bullseye competition, it would be an M9. If it was a duty gun or something I needed to depend on, it would be the 226, though the M9 is pretty reliable.

Several close trusted friends actively in the field are reporting rave reviews of their 226's after switching from the M9, saying they wouldn't go with anything else in a pinch. Again, both fine weapons - personal preference and, more importantly, purpose are factors.

speedsix
March 27, 2009, 02:37 AM
If they are the same cost, get whatever you want. If you have to pay extra for the SIG, it is not worth it. I think the Beretta is a better design in a lot of ways. It is more reliable for sure.

I have a Beretta 92fs and a Beretta 92G. I sold my SIG 226 because it didn't do anything for me. It was more accurate in slow fire than the Beretta but the Beretts is better in rapid fire. I am not going to use either of these guns for target work so the Beretta's combat accuracy means more to me than the Bullseye accuracy of the SIG.

I have yet to find a SIG DA trigger that wasn't bad. I dropped in a 17lb 1911 hammer spring in both my Berettas and they are smooth and light now. WAY better than any SIG.

SIGs are great guns but overpriced. Berettas possibly the greatest 9mm ever made.

1911shooter
March 27, 2009, 08:38 PM
No comparison the SIG wins hands down. the only reason the U.S. military is now using the Beretta is a cost of about $10.00 a pistol and there have been rumblings that the U.S. wanted to put missle in Italy, but that has yet to be seen. the SIG pistols are the most accurate pistols out of the box period there are. and there is no other pistol that can hold a candle to them in any caliber. the Beretta is a good pistol but the SIG is the best DA/SA combat pistol ever built.

Autolycus
March 28, 2009, 06:51 AM
I love Sigs. Those are some very nice looking pistols Frandy.

possum
March 28, 2009, 07:25 AM
i belive the sig is the better built gun, i am not a fan however of da/sa guns, but if i had to choose i would take the sig. the berretta is to big for my hands, and for a 9mm it has more muzzle flip than it should imho.

Sport45
March 28, 2009, 09:04 AM
I've got a Sig 226 but not a Beretta. So the Sig must be the better pistol!!! :)

PPGMD
March 28, 2009, 11:26 AM
I knew what I was doing, but a clean up of a 92's DA pull is so easy all I meant is that by taking the grips off, depressing the mainspring cap on a hard surface, knocking out a pin. Ease the pressure. Replace the spring. Reverse process, and then I had a whole world of difference in DA. Took less than two minutes. The SIG wasn't difficult, but not as easy to tinker with as that.

Your posts makes no sense what so ever. It's easier then that on new Sigs.
http://www.lazyeights.net/Avion/P226RGGI/03GripsOff.jpg

The black thing on the back side of the frame on the pistol grip is the main spring seat.

http://www.lazyeights.net/Avion/P226RGGI/06MainSpring.jpg
The parts away from the frame. Put a screw driver in the slot and push up, then the whole thing will come off, replace spring, and reassemble.

Takes all of 2 minutes to do. Sigs are probably the easiest gun to work on, a screw driver and a punch is all you need to work on the frame, and remove the extractor (on current models). The only parts where you need a hammer would be to remove the hammer reset spring, and get at the firing pin assembly.

corpsmanup!
March 28, 2009, 02:24 PM
I am going to have to go for the SIG. I have carried both, qualified with both and HATE the m9. I love my 226. m9 out of the box was unreliable. 226 out of box hasn't had a jam of any type yet. LOVE my 226.

Pizzagunner
March 28, 2009, 03:57 PM
Might my post have made sense had you read that I didn't have a "newer" SIG, but one of the old school ones back when they used a mainspring cap roll pin in the bottom of the subassembly?

Regardless, whether your newer procedure, or the one I detailed for every Beretta 92 ever made, is easier is a matter of opinion. I never said such a spring change was hard on a P226, even if it easier now.

10-Ring
March 28, 2009, 04:19 PM
I prefer the Beretta -- YMMV -- :D

PPGMD
March 28, 2009, 04:36 PM
Might my post have made sense had you read that I didn't have a "newer" SIG, but one of the old school ones back when they used a mainspring cap roll pin in the bottom of the subassembly?

I convert older Sigs to the new short main spring also, that way I get the benefit of easier detail strips, better trigger pull, and I don't have to stock another type of spring.

But either way it's really isn't that hard both ways, or with both guns. Your post just gives the impression that the Beretta is dramatically easier. In the end it's just a minor difference that varies. One nice thing though about the Sig plastic main spring seat is that all Sig classic P series pistols except the 239 use the same main springs now.

SwampWolf
March 28, 2009, 06:41 PM
Final verdict. Both are best of breed old school service 9mm duty pistols. Brand new, there is not $150 worth of "better" in the SIG. In fact there is none at all.

I really am in sync with your reasonings and "final verdict" Pizzagunner. I own both and don't plan on getting rid of either any time soon. But I have to agree that either the SIG is overpriced or the Beretta is a bargain-or both!

Big Mike
March 28, 2009, 06:43 PM
Both are well built, large 9mms. I lean towards Beretta.

PPGMD
March 28, 2009, 06:55 PM
I really am in sync with your reasonings and "final verdict" Pizzagunner. I own both and don't plan on getting rid of either any time soon. But I have to agree that either the SIG is overpriced or the Beretta is a bargain-or both!

The one advantage of Sigs is that there are many models with the same manual of arms. I can go from Sub-compact to Competition sized while retaining a manual of arms that is exactly the same.

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