[f8talh8red]

where do i get a lightning link.

[Riss]

Call your local Class 3 dealer and inquire. Or look over on subguns.com, there may be one floating around there. Be prepare to spend some cash though. They are around 8K.

[PTK]

I've seen them as cheap as $6k, recently. Considering that at one point they were up to $10k, that seems like a bargain. :)

[f8talh8red]

wow thats crazy. it lloks like i could make one for $0.57. thanks for the help but thats a little outta my price range.

[Riss]

If you want to make one for $0.57 then go get the Class 2 SOT manufacturers FFL. Other than that it's 10yrs in Club Fed.

[RyanM]

It's not even that simple. Hasn't been since 1986.

To make one, you need to be a Class 2 SOT, and you need a letter from a law enforcement or government agency requesting a demonstration of whatever you're going to make. Then, after the demonstration is over, the machine gun (or autosear, lightning link, whatever) must be sold (to a law enforcement or government agency, or to a Class 2/3 SOT who has a valid demo letter for the thing you made), or legally exported, or destroyed.

[rcmodel]

You have Dup threads running in two forumns.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=438558

Boy!
I hate when that happens!

:banghead:
rc

[rbernie]

I had already fixed that by closing the one in Rifles. :)

[rcmodel]

Oh!

Not too sure it belongs in "Gunsmithing" either!

But that's just me being my crotchety old self, cause it's snowing outside today.

rc

[Acera]

f8talh8red instead of starting identical threads on the same board, in different areas, try something this.

Start the same thread, and content at the other board (.us) you might get a different group of people helping you out, instead of the same ones on here, wading through two threads on the same subject.

[PTK]

To make one, you need to be a Class 2 SOT, and you need a letter from a law enforcement or government agency requesting a demonstration of whatever you're going to make. Then, after the demonstration is over, the machine gun (or autosear, lightning link, whatever) must be sold (to a law enforcement or government agency, or to a Class 2/3 SOT who has a valid demo letter for the thing you made), or legally exported, or destroyed.

Not true at all. Manufacturers are allowed to make and keep as many of any type of MG as they want - but they're non-transferable.

[Badger Arms]

You guys make it sound so simple. To manufacture a Lightning Link for $.57 you need the following:

1) a type 7 or type 10 Manufacturers FFL (this means that you have to comply with haz-waste, OSHA, and any local manufacturing, zoning, etc. requirements. Trust me, the BATFE won't let you have the Type 7 or 10 without you first proving you have all the licenses, permits, zoning, and code compliance. !00%, no errors allowed.

2) assuming you've complied with items 1a through 1z, you then apply for a Class 2 SOT and pay the tax.

3) once approved you can make your piece of sheet metal. Heck, for that money, you might as well just drill a hole in the receiver and install the real parts!

IIRC, you don't need to have any demo letter to make one, but you need to have an approved demo letter to transfer one to somebody else who, in turn, has to be a class III. Am I missing something?

[Bufford t. Justice]

Yeah Badger you are....you left out the part where NFA is an unconstitutional infringement on our 2a rights that should be struck down.

[RyanM]

You guys positive? I coulda sworn I've heard that the demo letter / actual order is required, even for a Class 2 making a completely new machine gun. Maybe bad info, I dunno.

[Badger Arms]

you dont need anything but a piece of sheet metal and a bansaw. and i like ptk's answer.


That, sir, would be illegal.

[Floppy_D]

and a lot cheaper. also save ya a lot of time. lol

Good idea, no one has ever been charged with constructive intent. Make sure you post pics.

[ants]

We should be clear to Fatal Hatred (f8talh8rd) that the lightning link is illegal.
You can't make one lawfully. It's a felony.
Sorry.

[Jim K]

Ants, he can make one lawfully, just not without the manufacturer's license and SOT.

As for the "infringement" business, I sort of hope "Mr. Justice" tries that argument in Federal Court; it hasn't worked yet, but he could get lucky.

Jim

[ants]

not without the manufacturer's license and SOT. Oh, you are absolutely right, Jim!

But if he has to ask here, he doesn't have those credentials and he's never likely to get them.
If he does obtain the requisite credentials, he won't be asking us here any more.

[Jim K]

There are still some links out there that were made before BATFE decided they were NFA firearms all by themselves. Since that ruling was not retroactive, those links are not serial numbered or registered and at one time sold for around $200. The sellers claimed they were perfectly legal to own.

The problem is that they ARE legal TO OWN, but if the owner puts one in a gun, he is manufacturing a machinegun and looking at a prison term if caught. "Da guv" might also claim that if one has both the link and an AR-15, one has an illegal machinegun, even if the link is not in the gun and even though both are legal to own separately.

Jim

[beatcop]

....there are also those "legal auto-sear" ads out there, only $250!!!

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