[MkgReloader]

I had a 22 cal. SS Taurus Ultralite M94 with 2 inch barrel for years and put several thousand rounds through it before transferring it to my daughter in law earlier this year. I decided to replace it with a 5 inch barreled SS version in March. Went to the local gun shop and they had 2 of them, one used “for only one month” for $269 and a new one for $339. I decided on the used one and bought it.

Went to the range and found out it would only reliably fire single action! When I tried to shoot it double action the cylinder lock would usually bounce right back up locking the cylinder before it could rotate to the new cartridge.

Took it back to the gun shop and they found the same problem. So, they let me upgrade to the new SS Taurus 94 by paying the difference.

Went to the range and tried 5 different brands of 22 cal. ammo. It “failed to fire” one to three times out of every nine for all five brands of ammo. The firing pin seems to be misaligned and is only partially hitting the rim of the cartridges. (Compared to my 2 Walthers, it looks like less than 1/2 of the firing pin is actually hitting the cartridge.)

Went back to the gun shop with fired cartridges and ftf’s. The owner loaded one cartridge and fired it – wouldn’t try a full cylinder like I suggested. He then told that they would send it in to Taurus for me for repairs, but couldn't exchange it for a gun that would actually work. They were losing too much money after taking the first one back and sending it to Taurus for repairs. The owner called it “the luck of the draw” since other people had bought 94's that apparently worked.

So they're going to mail it to Taurus on Monday and they'll “call me in 6-8 weeks” when it comes back. To say the least, I'm not happy. I bought six handguns from this guy last year, plus all sorts of odds and ends, but won't be buying any more.

Is this common practice in the firearms business? Is it expecting too much to get a new revolver that actually works without having to wait 2 months for repairs?

P.S. If you're thinking of buying a Taurus 94 you might want to take some fired cartridges with you, load it up, pull the trigger double action 9 times, and check the firing pin impressions before you pay for it.

[Ghost Tracker]

If you search threads/posts on Taurus Customer Service & general shooter satisfaction you'll find that at least some first-time Taurus buyers...become one-time Taurus buyers. I am among them. Sorry for your bad luck. Sorry for your FFL's decision & response. My question is, if he's losing money dealing with Taurus, why does he keep selling them to his customers?!?

[coyotehitman]

Taurus quality.:barf:

[Ruodo]

This post kinda worries me because I was thinking about getting one of these next week. Dunno about that now though.

[Ghost Tracker]

To be honest, I've never owned a Taurus revolver. But just one try with a centerfire autoloading pistol was WAYY more than enough for me. I know there are folks 'round here who swear by 'em. I just got tired of swearing at 'em.

[oldFred]

Let this be a lesson, STOP buying "rimfire" 22 revolvers! :neener:

[Duke of Doubt]

My new SS Taurus 94 was a disappointment. Looked and handled great. Shot for ****.

My new SS Taurus 431 had a couple very minor problems (internal spring fell out, but stayed put when I replaced it; timing seemed VERY slightly off) but served long and well as a HD gun. Still, put it up against a Smith Model 29 and there was no comparison.

I don't do Taurus anymore.

[cerberus65]

Let this be a lesson, STOP buying Taurus "rimfire" 22 revolvers!

There. I fixed it for you.

My S&W .22 revolver works just fine.

I pick up a weekly "newspaper" that is all classifieds. I usually only look through the guns section. There are always lots of Tauri for sale. I always skip right over those listings. I guess I've just never been the gambling type. There are some folks who get great ones and other folks that have horrendous problems. My brother seems to have gotten a good one. Good for him and whoever else is happy. I prefer to spend a little bit more for brands that historically have a little better happy/unhappy customer ratio.

[PinoyInFL]

This is the reason why I buy smiths and colts.

[bigdavep]

I have heard the ultralite models have this lite strike problem.. but the standard weight ones don't.

I bought the .22 magnum revolver, M941, a few months back, and it hasn''t failed to fire on me yet. I got the heavy steel, 4" barrel, not the superlite... and the trigger pull from double action is seriously FIRM.. :-) But the hammer comes down hard and the ammo goes off...

my wife has a Smith airlite 317 in .22LR, and it has had one or two litestrikes... I think it's about the weight of the parts...

good luck with this, let us know the resolution...

[JWJacobVT]

Sorry , but you bought a taurus. I had one once. My EX has it now. I kept my Smiths. I think that was a fair settlement in the divorce. A few years ago the company I work for issued taurus 38s, we always hoped we didnt have to use it on the job. Why because on qualification day, most of them jammed. Yes revolvers jam. Now we have Ruger GP100s, not a Smith but better than the taurus. The GP was the third one out of the box before I found one that would fire more than 12 rds without a problem, #3 isn't perfect but dry firing has helped. Still better than taurus.

[Claude Clay]

buy a Taurus

every one is entitled to make a mistake--once

[Eagles6]

My experience with Taurus has been good, others haven't had such luck. I have a 94 which shot fine. I gave it to a friend of a friend who has a shingle out as a "gunsmith" for a trigger job. It's heavy DA trigger pull was a bit much for some family members. Needless to say he trashed the weapon at the cost of $100.
I tried to fix it, no go. Took it to a police armorer, same story. Sent it back to Taurus with an explanation and asked them to fix it and bill me. They completely rebuilt the weapon, reinstated the warranty all at no charge.

[jad0110]

I owned a Taurus 94 for a short time. Not a fun experience.

First off, a lot of people have nice, dependable Taurus 94s. And I don't mean to bash Taurus, as I used to own a very nice Model 66. Over time though, I have read enough bad things about the 94 that it is one of the few firearms that I steer people away from.

What was wrong with mine? It had such a heavy, extra crunchy DA trigger that it was not useable. There was a pretty bad hitch in DA about 1/3 of the way into the pull that usually made me throw my shots. The SA pull, in fairness, was decent, and it was nicely finished. And the gun was capable of respectable accuracy.

Then again, the cylinder would bind every 100 rounds or so at first. Note that I always eject the empties straight down to avoid lead build up under the ejector star. I tried cleaner shooting CCI Stingers. I even attempted cleaning the gun every 50 rounds. It would still bind. The cylinder gap appeared to be in spec, that wasn't the problem (looking back, perhaps the hand wasn't fitted properly?)

So I sent it back to Taurus. After 6 weeks I got it back in the exact same condition with a note to clean it more often :scrutiny: . Mkay, you mean like, after every 4 rounds? So I had the same problems, except I noticed the gun had turned into a lead spitter. I always wear safety glasses; I was reminded why by this 94. When I heard chunks of lead bouncing off my glasses, I put the gun down and never fired it again. I sold it, disclosing my troubles and have never looked back.

Unlike the 94, the Taurus 970 Tracker seems to have a much better reputation, though I think the shortest barrel length you can get is 6.5".

After I sold the 94, I bought a S&W K-22 M17-0 and it is an absolute joy to shoot. And when I paid for it back in Nov '06, it cost only about $100 more than a new Taurus 94.

They completely rebuilt the weapon, reinstated the warranty all at no charge.

Just curious, when did this occur? I ask because Tauri's customer service used to be very good, but back in the '05-'06 timeframe it started turning to crap.

[floydster]

Buy a Ruger single six---don't look back!!

[PT1911]

i own several taurus guns and I am more than happy with each of them... they outshoot smiths, springfields...etc...

[Lovesbeer99]

Don't be too hard on the gun shop owner. He is in a bad spot also. I Bought a new Taurus 905 and it was out of time right from the box. I sent it in for repairs, but i eventually sold it.

Never buy Tuarus again.

Never buy Taurus again

Never buy Taurus again.

But I didn't fault my gun shop. Taurus just sucks.

[mongo4567]

I have owned three Taurus pistols and sold them all. They actually functioned, but I've been spoiled by Smith and Colt. I expect too much in regards to timing and smoothness in a revolver. I will not likely own another unless it is just way too cheap to pass up.

[Landric]

I recently ordered a Taurus 327 in 327 Federal Magnum because I wanted to try it out. I would have ordered a SP101, but Ruger is having problems with the 327 SP101s and they are not available. That basically left a very expensive S&W (fine for a serious gun, but I just wanted one to play with and I didn't want to spend $800 to play), the Charter Arms Patriot, and the Taurus 327. I went with the Taurus.

The gun arrived several days later. It was out of time, had rough spots all over, and the trigger would lock up in DA mode and keep the hammer from moving about one in six pulls. It was bad enough that the dealer returned it no questions asked and ordered me another. I picked it up Monday, but I won't be able to get it to the range until next weekend. The second 327 seems a lot better, much better fit and finish, its in time, and it doesn't lock up for no reason. Hopefully that trend will continue once I start shooting it.

My Taurus experience has been mixed. I had a 669 that was total junk, an 85CH that was great, and I have a 431 that is also excellent. The first 327 was awful, the new one seems like it will be good. I have a friend whom I bought a 85UL for his birthday several years ago. It has been perfect and is his daily carry gun.

I won't say they are all junk, they are not. However, it really is hit and miss. If I had it to do again, based on my recent experience with my Bulldog Pug, I'd buy the Charter Arms Patriot.

mongo4567 said

I will not likely own another unless it is just way too cheap to pass up.

That is how I ended up with my 431. It was cheap enough that I could sell it at a profit without any problem. However, its a good one. Wonderful finish, well timed, accurate, reliable, and has a great trigger. I have a thing for .44 Specials, especially fixed sight .44 Specials, so I figure the 431 is a keeper even though its a Taurus. I much prefer S&W (and Ruger come to it), but every once in a while another company gets it right. Perhaps one day I'll try a Colt revolver and see how those are.

[jad0110]

However, it really is hit and miss.

Taurus is capable of making great guns (I had a 6" Taurus 66 that was excellent, but sold it when I got my even nicer S&W 686 4"), but they do seem to have more than their fair share of rotten lemons. Sad, really, as their product lineup is quite expansive at usually very reasonable prices. I recently saw a gorgeous, used 2.5" Taurus 66. Lockup was tight, and the DA was fairly good, about equal to my Smiths with just a touch of stacking.

However, my hopes were deflated when I looked at the price tag ... apparently the dealer had been smoking crack and was asking $425 for it :scrutiny:. Crap, you can get a nice used S&W Model 66 for not much more, or a Ruger Security Six for a less! If it had been $250ish, I might I purchased it.

[Taurus_9mm]

I really love all my Taurus firearms too and am intent on adding many more to the collection.

www.taurusarmed.net

[ultradoc]

good luck

[Shytheed Dumas]

Nothing but luck with Taurus here. I had a PT1911 that worked perfectly, my daughter's 85UL hasn't failed her yet, and I just bought a like-new 44SS6 that's been great for the 60ish rounds that I've fired so far.

[Lex]

I've owned ONE Taurus (PT140) and will never, ever buy Taurus again!!

The gun was a POS and the Customer Disservice was terrible!!!


They do have some neat looking models, but after my experience with the need for a warranty repair....no more!!

[Byron]

I have the lite weight and standard weight.At first they would not fire anything but CCI Mini Mag, misfiring all other brands. After awhile, the standard weight started firing the Federal Bulk ammo at Walmart. The lite weight will still only fire CCI. Both are very accurate. Byron

[Rodentman]

I have a std M94 and have had no trouble with it. That said, I won't buy another Taurus because, while they may work fine, I prefer the better fit and finish of the S&W & Ruger.

For a range gun firing cheap ammo, the M94 is fine. I don't carry it, and don't plan to.

Oddly, two of my carry guns have been recalled, the LCP and the PPK/S.

[hardluk1]

I to have a couple taurus revolvers , a 38 model 85 and 22 model 94 and both have been great guns . I even put spring kits in both and have a 5 lb da trigger on each and the 22 is as good as one could be. I have had trouble with cheap brands of ammo in all my 22's .Both ruger autos and colt huntsman and the taurus. Remington cheap stuff was the worse with the wax build up . Cheap federal just as bad with 8 to 10 out of a box missfire. But with mini mags or fedaeral match ,,,heck any of the best lines, they all work very well. and the taurus so far after the trigger job has had NO miss fires with cci mini mag and federal match. 2000 rounds a guess throught the 2 rugers and the taurus. I do work to keep clean more than any guns i own but some of that ammo was bad. Both taurus revolvers are older guns ,maybe 15 years old. Besure the eject rod is tight as that will let the cylinder slip forword enough to not fire well. Did have that happen about 10 years ago and could have been my fault.

[Mainer2009]

Thats to bad, sorry to hear about your bad luck. I've had really good luck with Taurus revolvers, I have several in my stable right now, But I have heard an awful lot about people having trouble with them., it's to bad. My dealer usually has a good selection of hand guns, and always has a few taurus pistols in the mix, and he says he sells a lot of them &has had really good luck with them. Good luck with the warranty, I hope it all works out alright for ya.

[PC40]

I really love all my Taurus firearms too and am intent on adding many more to the collection.

www.taurusarmed.net


Still promoting your Taurus forum here huh? I may have one for your collection, you'll just have to send it to the factory and wait 2-3 months if you want it to run right.

My 2 NIB Taurus revolvers each developed problems within a week or two. I was stupid to buy the second one, but I've learned my lesson.

I've had numerous Rugers and Smiths, never a problem in over 30 years.

[Big Daddy Grim]

My PT 1911 is on it's way back yet again hopfully the new one they are sending will be better.

[Stainz]

I have a friend who has had fairly decent luck with a couple of Taurus revolvers - a 66, a .45 ACP 5-shot Tracker, and a .22 94 - all 4"-ers - and only the 66 persists today. I resprung it for him - a fairly decent house gun for 7-rounds of +P .38s. The key to his likes? He never shot them!

For years, I had Rugers... then, a S&W 625MG in .45 Colt from my wife. I was hooked. I have far fewer firearms these days - and my ecclectic collection of Ruger SA & DA revolvers is now gone, as is my MKII .22 target gun. I replaced it with a new 4" 617 10-shooter .22 rimfire. I have far fewer firearms these days - but they are what I want, enjoy, and can depend on - S&W revolvers. I converted a bundle of Rugers - and long guns - to S&W revolvers - I'm happy. Like they say, you can't pay too much for a good revolver... but you can sure pay too much for a poor revolver. Save your money - buy fewer - but better - firearms.

Sorry for the OP's troubles - I hope you get it repaired properly this time.

Stainz

PS That old friend with the Taurus 66 - he bought a new 5" 63 (.22) - enjoys shooting again. Like me, he wonders why he waited so long to buy a S&W .22.

[280shooter]

I have 1 and never again, I KEEP ASKING THE SAME QUESTION,, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO SEND BACK A BRAND NEW GUN TO THE FACTORY FOR REPAIRS/? WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.?? YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR SHIPING,

[mnrivrat]

No matter wether you like or dislike Taurus revolvers , the issue of the firearm needing factory service is something you can not lay on the lap of the gunshop who sells them.

The gunshop is not the warranty station for the manufacturer of each product they sell. Sending the gun in for you, is all you should expect, in my opinion.

[Virginian]

I have owned lots of hanguns, and used to sell guns. The only two DA centerfire revolvers I have left are both Tauruses, a 431 and a 605. Love 'em both.
They may not be super rapid, but any experience I ever had (very limited) with Taurus factory service was as good as S&Ws or Rugers, and better than Colt's was back when. Maybe that's what those extra hundereds of dollars get you with S&W, speedy service. :)
I would expect a stocking dealer to have exchanged a defective firearm if he had one in stock to exchange. I would not expect a refund, and I would expect him to handle the repair. But, in my experience, a gun owner will usually get faster service from any of them. I do not know why.
I hope when it comes back your troubles are over.
I have had lemons from S&W, Ruger too, but they made them good.

[oldFred]

I'm SICK of these Taurus bashing threads. They are NOT productive and really show who's an idiot.

They compare a "smith" to taurus stating that it is better built, only idiots don't know that taurus bought the revolver plant AND are using the SAME pattern as smith.

They compare a "beretta" to taurus stating that it is better built, only idiots don't know that taurus ALSO bought a beretta factory and use the SAME pattern as beretta.

THINGS CHANGE, GET OVER IT!

I got shot in the eye from a Dan Wesson 44 mag from the 3mm gap between the cylinder and barrel. Do you hear me complaining that DAN WESSON IS CRAP???!!

The TRUTH is...

Beretta Tomcats are worthless because the firing pin is a faulty design and breaks repeatedly.
Kimber 1911s are jam prone and will NOT feed hollowpoints.
Rock Islands are the same.
Glock in 40 s&w are THE MOST inaccurate handgun ever made.
Smith & Wesson in 40 are the most inaccurate handgun ever made.
North American Arms blow up in your hands.
Colt Python revolvers BLOW up in your hands.
Nighthawk 1911s will only feed ball ammo.
Springfield 1911s are JAM-O-MATICS.
Remington 870s are faulty designed will jam repeatedly.

The Truth is also...

When reading trashtalk on the internet (because it's all true), 99% of the time the poster states that he acquired a USED Taurus. Don't you think that said accuser had purchased SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM?!?

[harmon rabb]

i have heard all kinds of horror stories about taurus's customer service. for that reason alone, i wouldn't buy from them.

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

I bought a couple Tauri when I was young, dumb and poor.

Now older, wiser and more affluent---won't touch a Taurus with a 10ft pole.

Bad guns--bad company

[Duke of Doubt]

oldFred: "They compare a "smith" to taurus stating that it is better built, only idiots don't know that taurus bought the revolver plant AND are using the SAME pattern as smith. They compare a "beretta" to taurus stating that it is better built, only idiots don't know that taurus ALSO bought a beretta factory and use the SAME pattern as beretta."

Not quite true; and even if it were, they've merely demonstrated that when the monkeys take over the zoo, the poop piles up. Neither of my new-bought Tauri were based on Smith or Beretta patterns directly, or made on the machinery set up under the expired license agreements you reference. China made Mauser-patterned rifles under license before and during WWII; they were crude copies.

[jad0110]

Neither of my new-bought Tauri were based on Smith

Yep. Even though the Model 66 made by S&W and Taurus appear identical on the outside, the internal lockwork is different.

BTW, my SA 1911 works just fine.

[AppBrookie]

I also had trouble w/ two lightweight 94's, both brand new out of the box did not work(light hammer strikes). I had a great dealer w/ a range, so both were fired just after purchase. After the second one, he refunded my money, I saved some more and bought a S&W 317, very happy w/ the Smith.

[ugaarguy]

They compare a "smith" to taurus stating that it is better built, only idiots don't know that taurus bought the revolver plant AND are using the SAME pattern as smith.
No, Taurus never bought a S&W plant. The conglomerate Bangor-Punta owned both companies for a short time in the 1970s. During that time some old S&W tooling was sent to Taurus. Taurus using worn out S&W tooling to make some revolvers does not make them equivalent to S&W. That's to say nothing of the fitting and finishing that occurs after the parts are machined. Perhaps you'd like well known gunsmith Grant Cunningham's observations on the issue:
From http://grantcunningham.com/blog_files/no_taurus_work.html

Why I don't work on Taurus revolvers
Monday, July 03, 2006

Occasionally someone will call or email: "I'm looking for a good gunsmith - do you work on Taurus revolvers?" When I politely inform the person that I do not, the result is often indignance, as if to say "how dare you decline to work on my fine possession! You have insulted me, suh!" (Delivered in the best antebellum manner, of course.)

Taurus revolvers possess many positive traits: they're available in a wide variety of calibers and configurations, they are usually fairly reliable, and they are priced right. Unfortunately, it's that last bit that gets me into trouble.

You see, the most expensive part of building a handgun, particularly a revolver, is the finishing work. You can't automate the polishing process, and Taurus revolvers are generally very well polished and finished. Given their low price point, this means that finishing is a large percentage of the purchase price. This means that they have to skimp somewhere, and the place that they do is in parts fitting.

Taurus guns have parts that simply do not fit as tightly - as precisely - as some other manufacturers. Yes, you can do a shadetree action job, maybe swap springs, and improve the action - but it will never be truly 'great' without rebuilding the gun.

I've purchased a couple of Taurus revolvers (Taurii??) to work on, to evaluate. While I like the guns (the now-discontinued model 445 is really neat, and I carry it occasionally) the effort to put a truly world-class action job on one results in huge labor costs.

Look at it this way: if you want a top-end wheelgun you have to pay for fitting parts at some point. With a Taurus, it doesn't happen at the time of purchase; it can only occur in the gunsmith's hands, which drives the cost up considerably. Like the folks who commissioned custom Norinco 1911s about a decade ago, what you end up with is a really expensive $300 gun that no one wants to buy.

I'd rather spend my time working on revolvers that will actually see an increase in value after quality work has been done, and I suspect their owners are the same way. That just won't happen with a Taurus, because after all is said and done it'll still just be a Taurus.

[PC40]

I'm SICK of these Taurus bashing threads.
Maybe you should pay attention to the hundreds of other threads...

They are NOT productive
It gives people an outlet to vent about their experiences with Taurus

and really show who's an idiot.
Yes, I am an idiot, after my first Taurus revolver, I bought a second! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...

And they were both NIB, not used.

[jack the toad]

Congrats to those that have had good experience with Taurus.
When I used to make the gunshow circuit, it seems people wanted to sell or trade Taurus more than any other gun.
IMO, there's a reason for that.

[.357MagTaurus]

[B]I've got the Taurus model 608 Large frame .357 Magnum 8 shot revolver in Stainless with a 4 " barrel. I have only had 35 rounds thru it so far. 32 rounds of 38 special 130 gr, ammo and 3 rounds of ,357 Magnum 158gr. No problems so far and not a lot of kick, even with the .357 rounds. Maybe this is still the Honeymoon period, but I think it it great. Functions as intended and commands alot of respect no matter which end of the barrel your on./B]

[Taurus 617 CCW]

Two out of the three Taurus guns I have owned went back for warranty work. I had a problem with the 617 revolver and the PT145 Millenium Pro semi-auto. The model 85 revolver is the only one that I didn't send back. I have only purchased Smith & Wesson since.

[oldFred]

So OP please tell me what ammo were you using?

The reason I ask is because I have a Browning 22lr ATD Grade II carbine. It jams with FTF, FTE, and stovepiping. I found out later that the problem was the cheap remington thunderbolts with lead roundnose. Changed ammo to remington golden bullets and CCI minmags/stingers and the problems went away and I never looked back.


99% of the posts I've read that state Taurus is junk include "bought used" and "rimfire". Maybe before you post another thread like this, you should make absolutely sure that you don't have these two paradigms in the same sentence.

IMO, I despise 22lr as I personally believe it is the worst conceived ammunition to ever be created, an abomination if you will. ANY type of rimfire.

And to make it worse, then along come the hecklers who throw in "their two cents" about someone else's gun made by Taurus that they themselves never owned. The passionate bashing of Taurus while leaving other brands at ease leads me to believe that most of you are victims of the "I coulda had a V8 syndrome (Taurus branded)".

The truth is, Taurus has always had a problem keeping up with the demand of their weapons.

Now if I have offended anyone in my previous post with the word "idiots" please keep in mind that I fit this description sometimes also... :neener:

Edit: I have a 1994 stainless 38 spcl 4" barrel with perfect fit and finish. I also just purchased a PT1911SS this past January. The revolver is a model 82 I think. No play in the wheel / No airgap between wheel and barrel. Both guns have went "BANG" every time I squeezed the trigger. I can't help but highly disagree to Taurus bashing threads.

[MCgunner]

Best medium frame .357 Magnum I've ever owned is a Taurus 66. I don't need a .22 revolver, my Rossi 511 still shoots great after all these years. Lord only knows how many 550 round Federal bulk packs it's eaten. Still very accurate. Neat little J frame sized gun, fantastic sights. If I have any gripe, it's the heavy DA trigger. But, not like it's a self defense gun. I shoot at a rabbit, I shoot SA.

[Mainer2009]

I guess I'veen one of the lucky Taurus buyers, 2 that I bought were brand new...a Tracker 44 Magnum &a model 85 38 special, I also bought a used model 66 357 magnum, all have been great shooters, are tight, and accurate, they don't loosen up or fall apart, the actions are smooth, etc. My Mother has an old Taurus that her father gave her, he was a security gaurd in the 60's &carried a Taurus 38 special with a 4" bbl, not sure the model, it has some good honest wear on the it, but still shoots like a charm, &I talked to him about it &he said he went shooting with it a lot with a buddy who handloaded hot 38's for him &he shot quite a few of those, with no problems, the cylidner is not sloppy at all, and has no problems with timing, I guess it's just the luck of the draw, like a lot of things. I"ll keep buying Taurus revolvers, just like I'll keep buying Smith &Wesson's.

[Ghost Tracker]

There are lucky Taurus buyers & there are unlucky Taurus buyers. The same can be said for buyers of Powerball tickets. The only problem is - there's a better chance of happiness spending your money...on POWERBALL!

Gee, oldFred,
You buy both Browning & Taurus firearms? If I'm an idiot for my opinions on Taurus, does that make you a "half-wit"?

[hardluk1]

Duck of dumd. The taurus 92 is a newer updated gun and not a copy of the beretta and by most all experts say it is a better gun. I have a 22, model 94 that will shoot 100% with a top grade of ammo. If i will use he same crap 22 ammo alone that my colt and ruger autos don't like they all jamb. My 85 has been as solid as anything s&w made. Probably some dink screwed up a gun and sold it some other dink and he's piss'n about it. I have had bad from ruger and will not own another s&w do to basic cost and because of one gun new that took 3 months to get back. Hell i put a set of light springs in my 22 about a month ago. 3 lb trigger sa and 6 da and NO problems with strikes and i thought i might have trouble. That is a lite trigger for a 22. I put a wolf kit in it, the same one for the model 85. If i buy a new one and have trouble that will be my problem but no whine'n like so many.

[Mainer2009]

Sounds like the shop wasn't all that helpfull either, and thats to bad, it's also to bad he got a gun that malfunctioned, getting burned isn't fun. I friend of mine who was a deputy sherrif &competition shooter for years said he was once burned with a 357 mag. taurus, and would never buy another, lots of stories like that out there, and I have to admit, if I had trouble like that with a Taurus product...I think I steer away from them as well, fortunately, the Taurus revolvers I have all work good, and are good shooters, My model 66 357 mag has been a a real honey of a gun, so has my tracker, and model 85. Not a single complaint, I'd trust any of them with my life, and my Tracker sits on my night stand loaded up with 200 grain winchester silver tip 44 specials.

[wkuban]

I own a Taurus Auto and a Beretta. To date I've fired th Beretta Approx.
3000 rds. No failures. The Taurus is a different story, I it fails to feed out of the clear blue, maybe after 10 rounds or maybe after 50. It's never ran 100 straight. Shot it acouple weeks ago, started with 100 rounds of factory loads. About 60 rounds and I get a failure to extract.
It pulled the case about 3/4 way and the extractor slipped off.
I won't buy another Taurus,
I wanted a Taurus Millenium Pro in .45. You'd be surprised how many come back on warranty at the store. The reason dealers won't exchange them is that they can not be sold as a new gun. You can't blame the dealer. They are less expensive than a Beretta or S&W because they are not as good.

[pmeisel]

I had trouble with a wife once. Swore I'd never get another. Fortunately I went back on that pledge 25 years ago. This ones a keeper.

Guns are like women, different ones for different men ( and the obverse for our distaff forum members).

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

ITT an S&W and Colt circle soda jerk

[Hoot Gibson]

The usual "bash Taurus" thread....some old s**t, different thread.

While my .38 snubbie Model 85 Ultra LW keeps on firing, first time, every time...

[Marlin 45 carbine]

the 4" bbl s/s Taurus M94 I have is 100 reliable but nowhere near as good shooting as an S&W or Colt. the bbl leads useing Blazer, Wildcats and other non-plated slugs I suspect an over-bore bbl but haven't slugged it. it's not terrible and does better with plated slugs, an apple at 20' is OK to use for tin can practice and letting new shooters try a revolver, but I was disappointed - used to S&W&Ruger I suppose.
I think I'll intentionaly wear it out and send in for a replacement.

[kilo729]

Taurus Bash threads make me want to buy a Taurus purely out of spite. Brand elitism isn't annoying at all.

[Gideon]

Since it's not for SD, try a Ruger Single Six...if you like the style. It's ultra reliable and a very good shooter.

If you're looking for something to simulate an SD double action revolver, I would try to find a ruger SP101 in .22. Hard to find but it would be a great gun.

And finally, if you want a low end option that can be a surprising value, try a charter arms pathfinder.

At the end of the day you get what you pay for but some of these lower end guns can be okay for some situations like range, plinking, etc.

God Bless
Gideon

[MCgunner]

Actually, the DA ain't great on my Rossi M511 Sportsman, but the danged thing shoots 1.5" groups at 25 yards with Federal bulk pack, darned accurate for a "kit gun". I love that thing and it didn't set me back a fortune. I fired RWS Target in it and got 1" groups which is about as good as I can be with iron sights. My Ruger Mk 2 with 2x scope will put most any ammo into 1/2" at that range, but I couldn't do it with iron sights.

Yeah, "cheap" .22s can be danged fine shooters. That Rossi was 200 bucks at a gun show used. That seemed a bit high, gave 200 for a new one at Walmart in the late 80s that got stolen. But, I wanted it because I really liked the first one I had and this one turns out to be slightly more accurate. It's all stainless, very good sights, got a pachmayr grip on it. Neat little outdoor gun, plinker, even shot rabbits with it.

As for DA practice, I handload and cast, so I ain't worried about cheap DA practice.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=52460&d=1170458198

[sandy4570]

I hate to say this but your gun shop should do anything they can to replace your broken revolver even if it mean losing money on their part .Gun will break but happy customer will buy another one if they are happy with the service. My gunstore lost $250 on the model 82 that I purchase last year that broke and I end up with Tracker model that cost $175 (original price of Model 82 I paid for ) .I am happy with the service and continue to buy stuff from this gun store.

[colorado_handgunner]

Taurus, quality, and customer service. Three words that never go together! :cuss::fire:

[Frizzman]

A local shop owner that specializes in sale and repair of revolvers recently told me they don't sell Taurus revolvers because they are very spotty and are more trouble than its worth to them. She said that the Taurus Lifetime Warranty actually means that if you send it back for repair you might get it back in during your lifetime:rolleyes:

[zt77]

wow taurus's outshoot other manufacturers?
okay I've heard pathetic taurus stories but I think I got it worst.
so i buy a USED m94 for 200 dollars, it came with papers saying it has been to the factory twice for a crane replacement and yoke realignment or something. well i detail it first, not exactly a fancy piece of machinery, I've always heard they were built on s&w designs and whatnot, totally untrue, every pin inside that thing was at least 33% smaller than s&w j-frames.
well it went through 3k round then i detailed it again and the hammer pivot pin snapped off. off to the factory...now the bs begins....

SIX MONTHS-they determine it cant be fixed....seriously?
SEVEN MONTHS-another phone call, they decide to send another
EIGHT MONTHS- I get a brand new m94, this time uglier as i dislike the full underlugged bbl

well.....now DA does not work, right out of the box...oh and the cylinder does not lock up. they don't test fire these things?
oh and the letter from the "armorers" about how to not have this happen again? "do not use handloads" are you f-ing serious? it's a 22lr!!!!

so i sell it for 250 to a regular gun show dealer that is regularly a jerk. the only time i could ever sell a broken gun.

[fireman5069]

I'm SICK of these Taurus bashing threads. They are NOT productive and really show who's an idiot.

They compare a "smith" to taurus stating that it is better built, only idiots don't know that taurus bought the revolver plant AND are using the SAME pattern as smith.

They compare a "beretta" to taurus stating that it is better built, only idiots don't know that taurus ALSO bought a beretta factory and use the SAME pattern as beretta.

THINGS CHANGE, GET OVER IT!

I got shot in the eye from a Dan Wesson 44 mag from the 3mm gap between the cylinder and barrel. Do you hear me complaining that DAN WESSON IS CRAP???!!

The TRUTH is...

Beretta Tomcats are worthless because the firing pin is a faulty design and breaks repeatedly.
Kimber 1911s are jam prone and will NOT feed hollowpoints.
Rock Islands are the same.
Glock in 40 s&w are THE MOST inaccurate handgun ever made.
Smith & Wesson in 40 are the most inaccurate handgun ever made.
North American Arms blow up in your hands.
Colt Python revolvers BLOW up in your hands.
Nighthawk 1911s will only feed ball ammo.
Springfield 1911s are JAM-O-MATICS.
Remington 870s are faulty designed will jam repeatedly.

The Truth is also...

When reading trashtalk on the internet (because it's all true), 99% of the time the poster states that he acquired a USED Taurus. Don't you think that said accuser had purchased SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM?!?
I can speak from first hand experiance as I have owned 2 NIB Taurus handguns. There were BOTH trash right out of the box.Why can't I have this much luck with the lottery? Terrible workmanship on the 605 and the Mil Pro kept dropping mags and had offcenter primer strikes causing FTF constantly. When you could actually GET someone on the phone, they acted like you were troubling them. The problem is that they LOOK like higher quality guns but that's where it ends. BTW, I have owned Taurus in the past, a model 65 and a PT92 years ago. They were great guns. Sold them both to fund a S&W 5906 when I got hired on the force. Times have changed on their QC and they have not convinced me to put my hard earned money on another of their new products.

[fireman5069]

I've come to realize that the owners that have been burned are mad because of the investment but the ones that got a good one are happy and don't like their gun being "bashed". Personally, I'm 2 for 4 in the Taurus brand. I'm also not a gambling man but I know 50/50 odds are not good.

[Grey Morel]

Years ago I purchased the 4" blued version as a training aid.

The double action BROKE after less than 300 rounds - the gun would only shoot single action.

I moved on to Smiths and never looked back. The S&W 617 may be twice the price of a Taurus, but IMO it's at least twice the gun.

[Nushif]

Odd, because my wife's .45 semi-auto is probably the most reliable gun in the house. and yes. It's a Taurus. 8)

[Confederate]

Well, if I were a gun seller, I'd not carry Taurus. Then if someone wanted to buy one, I'd just tell them we don't sell 'em because they're crap. The PT-92/96 Beretta knock offs are okay, but Taurus has problems lining the holes up on revolvers -- and too many of them don't have throats in the chambers or the barrels! When they do fire, they have problems with accuracy because there don't seem to be tolerances.

I don't like 'em. The Rugers are the best bet.


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Rugers_MkII_SS_3-1.jpg

These Rugers are top-notch pistols!

[gun guy]

I have a gun collection, that goes back generations, our family, has only kept those guns that worked well. There are many vintage Colts, Smiths, a first production run ruger blackhawk. When i see, what is rolling off the assembly line these days, with Colt, or Smith stamped on it, :O there are no words for the quality difference. I bought two anacodas when they launched that project, It was a year getting them to the range. By their 3rd generation, Smith was making the finest autopistol ever made, IMO, these days they rate along with jennings in reliability. Although after dumping a grand or more on a weapon, I doubt their are many that would admit they were taken. I have several Taurus, My friends do as well, there has been the odd loose screw, or bad magazine spring, but no more than any other weapon might experience. I just don't understand all these horror stories about Taurus, yet nothing but magazine quality reviews from Colt or Smith, I know better. If i could figure out how to post a photo, I would post a photo or two of my repair bench. I have to wonder about the care/repairs/experience level/ given some of these tales of some of those weapons. Granted nothing is 100% a bad anything now or then is to be expected, and you rarely hear from a satisfied customer. I know there are thousands of Taurus's sold, given a half a dozen dissatisfied customers I dont think thats too bad. I carry a Taurus OSS 24/7 45 daily, bet my life on it. It may be the finest 45, or one of them, made today.

[DMZ]

I've come to realize that the owners that have been burned are mad because of the investment but the ones that got a good one are happy and don't like their gun being "bashed". Personally, I'm 2 for 4 in the Taurus brand. I'm also not a gambling man but I know 50/50 odds are not good.
I too am batting .500 with Taurus. Two went back for repair work (M94's) and two others are just fine (M17 and M605). I will not be making any more purchases of that brand.

Add let me add this. One thing I rarely read about Taurus' is poor accuracy. All four of mine a very accurate. Taurus may have problems with timing and binding, but they do cut a good bore.

[Grey Morel]

While all brands produce lemons, CHEAP brands do so with far more frequency.

Buy once, cry once.

[Old John]

Well, I've had a couple Taurus Revolvers, over the years, model 85's.
Right now I have a regular 4" stainless steel model 94, .22 Taurus revolver. I think I've had it about 3 years. It has a few hundred rounds through it, 5 or 6. It has never misfired. Great for popping racoons tearing down my bird feeders.

I also have an old stainless Taurus model 450, .45 Colt, I bought 6 or 8 years ago.
It's a Boomer. I've packed it some. But, I like my Ruger SP101, .357 better.
I'd buy another Taurus, if the price was right

[Workhorse]

You get what you pay for.....I only pay for S&W and Ruger.

[Big Bill]

Taurus Bash threads make me want to buy a Taurus purely out of spite. Brand elitism isn't annoying at all.It isn't elitism; it's just experience speaking. Smart people read and learn from other's mistakes. You buy a cheap gun with a poor reputation; and, you can expect to have problems. Why even take a chance?

[js_locke7]

I have had a Taurus M94 for a little over a year now. I was having the same problem as described, I was almost ready to get rid of it then I thought about trying a firing pin form another small frame revolver. I put a firing pin from a Taurus 605 in my M94 and it hasn't had a misfire since.

[oldfool]

welcome to the forum js-locke7 !

auspicious beginning, that
hope you have a flame-proof hide, because in case you haven't fully read this old old old thread (or dozens of others just like it), it's an inspiring topic, you know

but I shall refrain from my usual comments; tired of being referred to as "elitist and/or internet commando BS" fool for praising only some specific Taurus models, while refusing to own or recommend several other specific Taurus NIB/LNIB models I have personally handled and fired :banghead:

good luck

[Waldo Pepper]

Best production modern double action revolvers ever made. Dan Wesson. Here is my M-22 DW with 4" barrel installed.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x245/oldnavy6393/SANY0033-1.jpg

Here's a picture of the DW 722 that is scary accurate with 8" barrel installed. Never could figure out why the scope looked bent in this in the photo.
I have since swithched to better Weigand mount D&T to barrel shroud. The triggers on DW's are from factory what S&W are after trigger work by gun-smith.
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x245/oldnavy6393/DW722w4xLeupoldrt.jpg

[mgkdrgn]

I'll be surprised if you have to wait two months ... unless your shop screws it up.

I had a Taurus 450 (out of production 45 Colt revolver) I bought on auction that wouldn't lock up correctly. Sent it in to Taurus myself ... had it back in 10 days, good as new.

And Taurus =can= send the gun directly back to you .. no need to go through an FFL. Don't let him ding you for a "transfer fee".