Cut down Mosin-Nagant


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kestak
March 27, 2009, 02:37 PM
Greetings,

I am sure it will go under the stupid questions. But just for the heck of it:

I saw a picture of a Mosin-Nagant with the barrell and the stock cut. It was looking almost like a black powder handgun.

It is called a Obrez : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I

If you do not have a shoulder stock on it (you cut it off, can you legally cut the barrell under the 16" measure of a bolt-action rifle? It becomes a handgun. Not a very ergonomic one, but one still. Or because it was a rifle, it can't be done legally?

Thank you

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ramis
March 27, 2009, 03:21 PM
That belongs to a member here called PTK.

I believe it's a SBR. So you have to get a $200 Tax stamp.

Ahhhh, here's the original thread.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=355622

dmazur
March 27, 2009, 03:23 PM
In addition to complying with NFA, you need to check your state laws. Some states do not permit SBR's even if you jump through the federal hoops...

PTK
March 27, 2009, 03:38 PM
Yes, it involved a $200 tax as an SBR, it's mine, it's a range toy, and it was worth every single penny.

panrobercik
March 28, 2009, 10:00 AM
Insurgents did this to rifles during WW2. The cutting was done with a hacksaw and a new crown would be made with a file. It made impressive exit wounds.

elmerfudd
March 28, 2009, 01:13 PM
You can convert a pistol to a rifle legally, but if you convert a rifle to a pistol then you have to get the NFA tax stamp.

Kind of Blued
March 28, 2009, 02:53 PM
You can convert a pistol to a rifle legally, but if you convert a rifle to a pistol then you have to get the NFA tax stamp.

Slapping a buttstock on a pistol (making it a rifle) without a tax stamp is illegal, so no, not really.

WardenWolf
March 28, 2009, 03:50 PM
That's honestly one of the meanest hoglegs you could have.

SaxonPig
March 28, 2009, 04:07 PM
KoB- You have to add the 16" barrel as well to make it legal. Kits with a 16" barrel and buttstock to fit the 1911 have been around for many years. You are correct in that just adding the stock is a no-no due to minimum barrel length requirements.

elmerfudd
March 28, 2009, 04:08 PM
Slapping a buttstock on a pistol (making it a rifle) without a tax stamp is illegal, so no, not really.

It's only illegal if the barrel or overall length is too short in which case you have converted a pistol into an illegal rifle. It's not an illegal rifle because you started with a pistol though. It's illegal because the barrel is too short and it hasn't been OK-d by the ATF.

PTK
March 28, 2009, 04:38 PM
panrobercik,

It's been done since 1891, for these rifles. First real recorded incidents (of cut down rifles like this) involved the Crimean war. :D

Mike the Wolf

Yes, yes it is.

panrobercik
March 28, 2009, 04:59 PM
PTK, have you actually shot a solid object to see the devastation done by an unstabilized bullet ? I heard stories from old Polish people who used those during WW2 that they would make an instant kill at close distance and leave giant exit wounds

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