Strain of Feral Super Hogs


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308win
March 28, 2009, 09:34 AM
I watched parts of a show on the Discovery Channel about over populations of feral hogs and a strain of super hogs that has developed in Alabama and, I believe, other places. The premise was that the domestic hogs are cross breeding with Russian or Eurasian boars and a strain of hogs that are more prolific, bigger, faster, and more agressive are developing. It was an interesting show. One statement (made for effect I suppose) was a little off the wall - the narrator stated that a 1500 lb hog capable of running 70 MPH could result.:what: Now, I would pay to see that and probably to hunt it. Though I am not sure with what as the largest caliber rifle I own is a .308; 12ga with slugs I guess.

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chas08
March 28, 2009, 10:47 AM
the narrator stated that a 1500 lb hog capable of running 70 MPH could result.

(LOL) And we could feed them Grizzly Bears. And hunt them with .50 cal. BMG's mounted in the backs of Jeeps. :D

jaybr
March 28, 2009, 11:50 AM
I watched it, wish we had some hogs around here to hunt.

Lucky
March 28, 2009, 12:42 PM
Discovery site says it was 'Pig bomb', will be interesting download.

Also explains lots of new cartridges.

Wish I could find a torrent, http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/pig-bomb-hog-hunting.html

a-sheepdog
March 28, 2009, 12:48 PM
I saw that show, interesting but I think that they are over reacting a bit. If hogs are fed well, they will grow very large. They can also be territorial, which would make them aggressive. I don't forsee any "Hogzilla" size hogs becoming the norm. They do, however, reproduce quickly. From what I have read about them, at 6 months of age they are capable of bearing young and generally have 4-8 piglets. This is why they are becoming so prevelant. If there are no predators to slow them down, they continue on their path of reproduction.

Ed Ames
March 28, 2009, 12:49 PM
California wild hogs are hybrid with European wild boar (imported for someone's hunting estate long long ago) ... they don't seem to have magical properties.

41magsnub
March 28, 2009, 01:11 PM
Heh.. pig bomb

308win
March 28, 2009, 02:04 PM
Yep, I would also like to hunt wild hogs. We supposedly have populations in Ohio but you don't hear much about them. DNR treats them like coyotes & groundhogs; no seasons, bag limits, or weapons restrictions.

AMBASSADOR
March 28, 2009, 02:19 PM
We have them here in New Jersey,we call them politicians(closed season).:what:

qajaq59
March 29, 2009, 08:17 AM
It was an interesting show. One statement (made for effect I suppose) was a little off the wall - the narrator stated that a 1500 lb hog capable of running 70 MPH could result. 70MPH??? What was he smoking?

Mp7
March 29, 2009, 08:47 AM
The bigger the better.

Yumm!

rondog
March 29, 2009, 10:04 AM
Yeah, I saw it too. I was disappointed, they took a small amount of information and footage, and stretched it out to last an hour. They kept going over the same thing repeatedly, showing the same clips, and not really saying anything. If they wanted to do a show about wild pigs in the US, they sure failed IMO. Sure could have been a LOT better.

Claymore1500
March 29, 2009, 10:52 AM
the narrator stated that a 1500 lb hog capable of running 70 MPH could result.


Just curious, Does that 1500lb. "hog" have "Harley" written on it anywhere?

308win
March 29, 2009, 11:01 AM
Just curious, Does that 1500lb. "hog" have "Harley" written on it anywhere?

I suppose he could have been talking about a Fatboy.

TIMC
March 29, 2009, 11:01 AM
We have those cross breeds here in Texas but the biggest ones I have seen would only run in the 600-700 pound range. The free ranging pigs around here don't get that big too often and the darn sure can't run 70 mph.
I don't care how big and nasty they get the are still no match for my AR-10 of .50 Beowulf so bring it on super pig!

Geno
March 29, 2009, 11:09 AM
One statement (made for effect I suppose) was a little off the wall - the narrator stated that a 1500 lb hog capable of running 70 MPH could result.

The Kentucky Derby will never be the same. But who would be willing to ride it?! I can just heard... <<It's Boaris by a snout...>>

Geno

308win
March 29, 2009, 11:09 AM
When younger, I had a Poland China brood sow that got over 600. She could barely walk letalone run.

The statement was also made that to maintain the population by culling, 70% (I believe was the number) of pigletts would have to be removed from each brood.

JimKirk
March 29, 2009, 11:11 AM
I live about 25 miles away from the Ocmulgee river and I have hunted the swamps along that river for many years. The area that we hunted was about 25 miles down stream from Abbeville, GA, the town featured in that Discovery Channel. The Horse creek area is(was, been a while) loaded with hogs. Three of us guys killed(one guy shot, the other two tried to drag) a very large hog there. Now I can't say for sure what he weighed, but the scales we had only went up to 350 lbs and he over maxed the scale. When HL shot the hog, he yelled for us to come over....there lay the biggest wild hog I've ever saw in the wild. Now we wasn't lost but really didn't know how far from the road or the boat we were(we hunted from the river by boat), so we started dragging...made it about 30 yds...we were huffing and puffing and dog tired aready! One of the guys stayed with the hog and my buddy and I went to find the boat. Luckly we were able to run the boat up old oxbow lake to with in 50 yds of the hog. The lake was Lake Montgomery where George Perry caught the world record bass back 1932. We made the drag to get the hog in the boat and the ride down and across river! What a sight... 3 muddy men, a large muddy hog and a ride in 14' aluminum with 16" sides with only a inch or two to spare! Yes the Discovery Channel show was short on details and was hiped up ..... but there are hogs there....BIG HOGS!

Jimmy K

hardluk1
March 29, 2009, 11:57 AM
Finding more and more domestic and wild hogs matting and get some damd big hogs. Hunted for some years around perry fl and growing up in sw fl and haveing a good much more wild ( piny wood rutters) don't there would could still bump into a 400 lb + wild hog, meaning showing know domestic in the built of the hog. Small back end big frontend. But when you see a big cross breed hog that is 600lbs+ it does get the hair on your kneck up. A freind allways raised one just to take carry of the left overs and freebes from work (publics ) and they would typical be near 700lbs when killed off. Also be about 8foot long it seems. Still like them small wild sow for bbq's better.

Albert A Rasch
March 29, 2009, 10:12 PM
I raised wild hogs for a while.

If they are fed a high protein diet, they grow much larger than normal. Case in point: In Argentina imported Eurasian Boars have learned to become predatory and hunt sheep, they commomly grow to 600lbs.

Nice.

Regards,
Albert
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Double Naught Spy
March 30, 2009, 12:27 AM
the narrator stated that a 1500 lb hog capable of running 70 MPH could result

I don't believe there is a 1500 lb. animal currently living that can do over 40 mph. Unless pigs somehow hugely modify their musculature and limb structures, they won't either.

TehK1w1
March 30, 2009, 01:06 AM
The Discovery Channel is neat, but over the last few years they have started running some seriously flaky shows. I only know of one terrestrial animal on this planet capable of 70MPH (the cheetah), and only a few more that come anywhere close to that speed.

2ndAmFan
March 30, 2009, 01:49 AM
Feral hogs have been a persistent, and tasty problem around where I live (Central TX) for as long as I can remember, and there are more of them now than ever before. I've had run-ins with aggressive ones a couple of times and that's why I never go out on our land unarmed. They've been breeding with domestic hogs all this time and I've never seen one on my land that looked to weigh more than appx 250 lb, though I've seen pics of some taken locally in the 350 lb range and come across tracks that must have come from some very big ones.
Seems like we'd have 1500 lb, 70 mph hogs here already if they were possible in the first place. Looks like BS to me.

hardluk1
March 30, 2009, 08:04 AM
Stupid 1000lb + hog stories. and 70mph ,,,if dropped out of a jet,maybe . I do know that a 250 lb pinny wood rotter come'n out of a palmeto patch at a run will look 1000lbs for a minute while you run like hell to get out of in front of it. And a loose bacon hog at around 700lbs is one hell of a big and pissed hog when try'n to get back in his pin.

snakeman
March 30, 2009, 09:12 AM
we have had an explosion of hogs in the past few years here in texas. A few years ago i had never seen one, now they lie dead on the side of road. Thank god our guard dogs keep them all ran off the ranch no need to worry. As for 1500 lbs. and 70 m.p.h that's just starving for ratings. Anyway there is not and never will be a pig that a 45/70 can't stop.

Art Eatman
March 30, 2009, 09:30 PM
Somewhere in the vicinity of 100 or 150 years back, wealthy sportsmen released Russian boars in the Smoky Mountains. Some crossbreeding with feral hogs resulted. Hunt clubs and guides have long advertised hunts in that area. The sizes, though, are not nearly as exciting as the Discovery Channel's nonsense. The Russian hogs were noted more for hostility than for great size.

Large feral hogs? Sure, occasionally. 500 to 700 pounds sometimes happens. Those are uncommon. The majority of feral hogs top out mostly around 300 pounds. "Majority: and "mostly" are the key words.

desidog
March 30, 2009, 10:03 PM
Russian boar are generally skittish, like most other game...in their natural environment - until you shoot them in the wrong place! Then, instead of running away, they will try their utmost to destroy you.

Like any piggy, they have limited range of motion in their neck, but if those tusks come your way, you can be shredded in a flash - the femoral artery in your thigh is right at head height for them.

I've seen some videos on youtube of some caged hunt place where the piggies are just super aggressive and attack anyone they see (especially wearing hunter-orange); but i imagine that's from firsthand experience of their buddies' getting taken out on a regular basis. Pigs are the smartest animal out there, besides humans...although sometimes i wonder between the two.

But 70mph? 1500lbs? forget about it. They don't rival cheetas for speed, and the amount of food it takes to sustain 1500lbs means that they'd burn more calories than they could find in a day. Physically improbable....without a feed trough.

Double Naught Spy
March 30, 2009, 11:24 PM
without a feed trough

and a truck, preferably a 3/4 ton with a V8.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
April 2, 2009, 12:29 PM
Lookit, Russian Boar strains that were introduced years ago have interbred with domestic swine for a long long long time, and that's what all of our feral hog populations are, except with vastly varying degrees of Russian boar blood, depending upon where you are in the country and within a particular state even - some places will have 95%+ domestic swine blood, say in TX/OK, whereas some may be closer to 50%/50%, say in Ark, Tenn, Alab, Miss, Georg, etc. So it's really nothing new.

Obviously the domestics are bigger and the Russian blood strains are meaner. So the real question becomes, which genes are dominant and which are recessive? Do the offspring take the size of the Russians and the disposition of the domestic? Or do they take (in the program's worst-case scenario there) the disposition of the Russians and the size of the domestics? Or best case for exciting hunting (depends on how you look at it). Or is it a blending of size and disposition - with no trait dominant? Or is it a combo, where say, size is dominant or recessive, and disposition blends, or disposition is either dominant or recessive, and size blends/averages?

I really don't know the answer is, but most likely the answer is, it depends upon the particular domestic strain and the particular Russian/Euro strain - some may have a dominant gene with respect to size or dispostion, and some may have a recessive gene with respect to either trait.

So I think it ends up being a Gump-like proposition - you just never know what you're gonna get!

redneckhunter
April 2, 2009, 02:09 PM
hmmmmmm.. :scrutiny:
maybe there is a new harley ,lol
SCREWTAIL HARLEY DAVIDSON perhaps :evil: hehehehe

Ty7940
April 2, 2009, 02:36 PM
I watched it, wish we had some hogs around here to hunt.


Dude ME TOO! LOL We both live in VA and I mean cmon...it's the mountains...why no boar!?!?

Water-Man
April 2, 2009, 02:56 PM
Had some Russian boars in the mountains of western North Carolina back in the late 70's that went 400 lbs..

TooTaxed
April 2, 2009, 11:18 PM
A hog the size of a cow was killed here in SW Georgia two or three years ago...do an Internet search for "Hogzilla" for pictures. It was buried as inedible, and later dug up by National Geographic for investigation.

In the past a pig farm went out of business south of Fort Benning due to a lousy market...and about a thousand little pigs were simply turned loose. Pig hunting has been great ever since...last year a $50 bounty was placed on pigs on Fort Benning to try to control the population. One soldier I know shot 64. The bounty is now down to $25.:rolleyes:

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