.30-06 with itty bitty bullets?


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coosbaycreep
March 29, 2009, 12:43 AM
I was looking at midwayusa earlier, and seen that they have .30cal bullets in 100-110 grains. I plan on going to eastern Oregon a little later this year and shooting rabbits and hopefully coyotes, and was wondering if these little bullets will work good for that purpose in a .30-06?

I've got a little over 500 rounds of .223 ammo leftover from selling my AR, and was thinking about just buying a cheap bolt action in that caliber, but all of that ammo is FMJ (not sure if fmj is good enough for coyotes in that small of caliber), and I already have a .30-06, and wouldn't have much use for the .223 once I got back from east.OR.

I plan on taking a .22 mag for sure, as that caliber works awesome on jack rabbits. I'll also be taking a mark II for bicycle shooting. I've never even got to take a shot at a coyote before, but I'd really like too, and I don't know if .22mag is adequate for most of the ranges that I've ever seen them at.

So will 110gr bullets in -06 do the trick? Should I consider just getting a .223 instead? Would the .22mag be just fine for what I'm doing? (Especially since I might not even get a shot at one).

I don't have dies in -06 yet either BTW, and I still haven't got a brass trimmer. I do have dies and bullets in .308 and .223 though. I also considered a .308 with light bullets for varmints, but I'd have to find brass for it, and my PTR screws the brass up too bad to reload them most likely. Besides 500+ rounds of .223, I also have a little over 100 good brass in that caliber. I'm not sure how much -06 brass I have, but it's mostly greek M2, and I don't know if there's any tricks to reloading milsurp brass.

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PTK
March 29, 2009, 12:45 AM
I used 110gr "carbine" .308" bullets in my 30-06 for varmints in the past. Works like a charm. :)

Hodgdon, Speer, Sierra, and others have data. Here's Hodgdon's:

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
110 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H414 .308" 3.170" 57.0 3044 39,200 CUP 62.5 3268 46,900 CUP
110 GR. HDY SP Winchester 760 .308" 3.170" 57.0 3044 39,200 CUP 62.5 3268 46,900 CUP
110 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon Varget .308" 3.170" 55.0 3308 44,400 CUP 59.0 3452 48,500 CUP
110 GR. HDY SP IMR IMR 4320 .308" 3.170" 57.0 3285 49,400 PSI 60.5 3470 58,100 PSI
110 GR. HDY SP IMR IMR 4064 308" 3.170" 55.0 3263 47,900 PSI 58.5 3453 56,400 PSI
110 GR. HDY SP Winchester 748 .308" 3.170" 52.7 3320 47,000 CUP
110 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon BL-C(2) .308" 3.170" 54.0 3108 36,200 CUP 60.0 3396 45,000 CUP
110 GR. HDY SP IMR IMR 4895 .308" 3.170" 56.0 3303 48,200 PSI 59.8 3505 57,300 PSI
110 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H335 .308" 3.170" 50.0 3168 43,500 CUP 55.5 3367 48,100 CUP
110 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H4895 .308" 3.170" 51.0 3155 39,000 CUP 57.0 3431 49,300 CUP
110 GR. HDY SP IMR IMR 3031 .308" 3.170" 51.0 3252 47,200 PSI 54.9 3471 57,800 PSI

sinistr
March 29, 2009, 01:07 AM
will a .22 stop a bicycle?

coosbaycreep
March 29, 2009, 01:17 AM
Ha! I meant that I'll carry the mark II while bicycling, but I imagine .22lr would stop a bike

Kind of Blued
March 29, 2009, 02:41 AM
I'm pretty sure Carlos Hathcock used a .50 BMG on a bicycle with adequate results. ;)

Yo2slick
March 29, 2009, 03:40 AM
I'll also be taking a mark II for bicycle shooting.

What did that bicycle do to you??? Im glad I dont ride a bicycle and I feel sorry for everyone that does in east OR! LMAO

usmc1371
March 29, 2009, 07:55 AM
Yes the light 30-06 loads will hammer a coyote and they pop jack rabbits like water ballons I know I have done it many times. The only problem with light bullets is some times they don't stablize very well and aren't accurate but if your gun likes them go for it. I also tried the 55 grain exclerators in my 06 but not to accurate.
Yo2slick some of southeastern oregon is the leas populated area in the lower 48, Lance armstrong would have a hard time riding form town to town out there.

.45Guy
March 29, 2009, 09:04 AM
I can't remember who made them, but years ago I found some 110 grain .30 hollow points. A little 4895, and viola! A real critter gitter.

Jim Watson
March 29, 2009, 10:28 AM
I found better .30-06 accuracy with 130 grain Speer and 125 grain Sierras than the 110s with their short bearing surfaces.

Coltdriver
March 29, 2009, 11:08 AM
They will work just fine but you will be using twice the powder as your .223.

NCsmitty
March 29, 2009, 12:44 PM
IIRC, you have a handi-rifle in 500 S&W. Just buy an extra 223 barrel under NEF's barrel swapping program for $90 + shipping and you'll have a quick change combo.
Your not going to get a cheaper 223 to use.
Pull some of the 223 FMJ and insert a soft point for quicker, humane kills.
The lighter bullets for the '06 will work, if accurate in your rifle, but as mentioned, it uses twice as much powder to do the same job.
As Jim Watson mentioned, the 130gr Speer HP .308 will generally be more accurate than the 100-110gr.

Here's a link to the barrel program.

http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.asp


NCsmitty

pbrktrt
March 29, 2009, 03:34 PM
i'm still having trouble with the vital zone on the bicycle. anyone have a chart or graphic? they are becoming pests around here. i almost hit them every day when i'm driving. :D

Gewehr98
March 29, 2009, 06:17 PM
But for years Remington offered .30-06 Accelerator rounds, which were saboted .223 bullets loaded into the .30-06 brass.

I have a bunch of Remington .30-30 Accelerator rounds in my own collection.

But it's a hell of a way to send a .22 caliber bullet downrange, and uses a lot of powder in the process. :D

groundhog34
March 29, 2009, 09:47 PM
I have a 30-06 that shoots about MOA with 165 grain it is all over the paper when I tried light bullets

logical
March 29, 2009, 10:23 PM
Remington still makes the 55 grain 30-06 Accellerator round. It's just slightly hotter than a typical 22-250 round.

The Deer Hunter
March 29, 2009, 11:00 PM
Most guys around here hunt yotes with .22WMR. Great round. It's good out to around 150 yards.

sonier
March 29, 2009, 11:40 PM
well used a 125 gr hot load on accident never found much of the rabbit.
speer makes a bullet called plinker and there is a powder out there that makes this equal around i do believe 223 ballistics, also said to work fine on squirrels

nekwah
March 29, 2009, 11:47 PM
.223 will work great. I hope ur not planning to eat the rabbits if ur gonna shoot them with 30/06, there wont be much left even with that small of a load

bang_bang
March 29, 2009, 11:49 PM
I also considered a .308 with light bullets for varmints

I load 110 grain HP for my 300 Magnum. With the .308, 30-06, and 300 Win Mag loaded with the "itty bitty bullets" will make them zoom towards the coyote or groundhog pretty fast, and they can tear some stuff up! Just the .308 is a bit easier on the powder jug to get similar results compared to the other two calibers.

jbech123
March 30, 2009, 04:33 PM
I've shot the 110gr out of my 308, it is actually the most accurate load I have.

jbech123
March 30, 2009, 04:36 PM
I don't know if .22mag is adequate for most of the ranges that I've ever seen them at.
inside 100 yards you'd probably be OK, head shots you could go further. I wouldn't want to limit myself by coyote hunting with a 22wmr.

eye5600
March 30, 2009, 04:55 PM
i'm still having trouble with the vital zone on the bicycle.

Hit'em in the derailleur. They'll drop like so much drain pipe.

danweasel
March 30, 2009, 07:24 PM
With a charging bike the only hope you have is to aim for the fork. As in a mobility kill. Once the bike can no longer advance towards you, you can finish it off at your lesiure. Shooting it in the derailer will most certainly kill the bike but it's forward momentum will allow it to kill you first. Then the bike will roll off to the woods and die.

This is the same theory as shooting a charging bear in the front shoulder, by the way.

sinistr
March 31, 2009, 09:20 PM
in my county your only legally allowed to shoot bicycles if they appear to be infected by a hippie.symtoms include weaving erratically with a large,hairy growth on top.accompanied usually by a very unpleasant smell.

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