Why is the Glock 19 better loved than the 23?


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Zerodefect
March 29, 2009, 10:08 AM
Is the 23 harder to shoot? Is it slower target to target? Deos muzzle flip slow it down?

I'm not to concerned about the added power of .40. I'm just wondering if the 23 has any handycap at engaging multiple targets due to excess muzzle flip? My 1911's get back on target faster than my 9mm's because they don't jump up as much, they just push stright back. I've heard that .40 is like 9mm only with more flip. If it only had more push, more like a .45, that would be nice.

Picking up a compact Glock soon. More concerned about hitting targets quickly and accuraely than all out power.

I prefere the push of .45 over the flip of 9mm. But Glock deosn't make a compact sized like the 19 in .45. The 19 fits my hand perfectly.

Thanks.

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sinistr
March 29, 2009, 11:11 AM
the only reason i like the 23 over the 19 is the bigger bullet.if this does not interest you,the 19 is the way to go.more rounds ,cheaper.

Gordon
March 29, 2009, 11:53 AM
Well 50-75K rounds later in the Glock 19, when it is still running great yo might understand!

the-ghost
March 29, 2009, 12:05 PM
get the 23 and a then a 9mm conversion barrel. barrels are around 125 bucks so no biggy.

Dan Crocker
March 29, 2009, 12:17 PM
I got the 19 because I wanted a nina. It's sweet. Ghost, I didn't know you could throw a 9mm barrel in the 23! Crap!

the-ghost
March 29, 2009, 12:30 PM
yeah, they makes em!

http://glockparts.com/?mainURL=/store/category/62n2/Barrels.html

theres one for 100 bucks.

these days it makes sense to do it this way. more often than not when i go hit up the store for ammo the pickings are slim. sometimes they have a crap load of 9mm, sometimes .40 sw. sometimes nothing, so ya grab what ya can.

Zerodefect
March 29, 2009, 12:44 PM
I'm just trying to get the heaviest round for the Glock compact I can. Unfortunatly their is no .45acp with that frame/slide.

The down side is that I'll bet that the 23 is slower to line back up after the initial shot. My .45s are fast because their is little muzzel flip, just a straight back recoil mostly. I've never owned .40 S&W, only 9 and .45.

I'll look into the 9mm for conversion if I get a 23. Looks like a KKM conversion barrel, extractor, and mags is all it'll need.

John_galt
March 29, 2009, 01:51 PM
There is a G30SF. It is a slim frame, the trigger reach from the backstrap to the trigger is shorter, 10 rounds. Better yet is the G36. It is slightly smaller than a G19 in height length and width. More compact but has 6 rounds capacity. Is the slimmest of glocks in thickness, so for CC is a little easier for IWB. I've fired them they are similar to other .45 in followup shots. I don't have one but is on the wish list along with a G23.

atblis
March 29, 2009, 02:18 PM
The G19 is a pleasure to shoot. Extended range sessions (aka Plinking) are fun.

So yes, there is a big difference between 40SW and 9mm.

Zerodefect
March 29, 2009, 03:31 PM
Thanks guys. I've got the 30sf. Nice carry piece but it deosn't fit my hand as well as a 1911 or G19. If I don't get used to the 30, I'll trade it. The G19 feels right in my hands, don't know why.

The single stack G36 is sweet if someone would come out with a flush magazine for it. It also has that trigger bar issue that needs worked out. I'll wait on those two.

The .45gap compact seems nice, I have to research ammo availability for it....

md7
March 29, 2009, 04:43 PM
zerodefect,
i have the glock 23 and a buddy that i often shoot with has the G19. They shoot similarly to ME. but to him, there is a difference. i think that recoil is percieved differently by different people. but to your question, i do not percieve much difference between the 19 and 23. i think you should shoot both if possible, and then go with whichever you feel the most comfortable with. both are great.

jaysouth
March 29, 2009, 08:55 PM
Who is buying the ammo? If it is you, get the 9mm, if your employer is buying it, get the .40

If you get the 19, you will not be unarmed with only a 9mm. It is very easy to master.

If you want a similar sized .45, look for a Smith M&P 45C. Less recoil than the .40.

possum
March 29, 2009, 10:10 PM
with proper training and technique the 23 is not a problem at rapid engagements, multiple targets etc. i own a 23, but i still think that the 19 is the best glock that they ever made. 9mm is cheaper which is a big plus especially with the prices continuing to rise.

early 23's, had trouble being 100% reliable with a weapon mounted light attached while using certain mags. i have not had that issue with my 23. it is a glock it runs, it's accurate, and i feel more than capable with it.

HorseSoldier
March 29, 2009, 10:37 PM
The 23 has a bit more recoil, and had some legitimate issues. Plus everyone knows that a .40 cal Glock is a just a hand grenade waiting to kaboom your fingers off :rolleyes:

Seriously, though, I did not know the 23 was widely considered less desirable than the 19. Personally, I do prefer the 19, but I don't have issues with 9mm lethality that some people have -- I'd think the Glock 23 would do just fine with members of that crowd.

amprecon
March 29, 2009, 10:52 PM
I've owned two G19's, the idea was to carry one and leave the other at home for the family when I was out. I liked the idea of having the same gun so that everyone was on the same page as far as how it felt and functioned, they are great handguns.
I loved the G19's, but I had never considered the G23's because I had bought into the negative hype about the .40 having too much muzzle flip, muzzle flash, being inaccurate, expensive ammo and heavy recoil. Then I had the chance to shoot a friends G23 and realized that not all the negative hype was true.
As easy as the G19s are to shoot, the G23 was not that much more difficult. The recoil may be considered significant to some, but I didn't find it that much more and felt that it wasn't enough to keep me from going to the more powerful caliber.
The recoil is more, but I think it's subjective and more of personal preference, if it's not prohibitive to you than I'd recommend the G23, if you are recoil sensitive than the G19 would be a better choice. I don't feel that it hampers my ability to shoot the G23 well, I may be only very slightly slower getting back on target, but I believe having more power makes up for that. They truly are the perfect sized handgun.

Javelin
March 29, 2009, 11:14 PM
They are both good to go. G23 is sitting in the drawer next to the bed though.....

;)

flyerI
March 29, 2009, 11:19 PM
I have both and frankly can't tell much difference between the two. Slightly more recoil in the 40 but unless I am shooting one right after the other I probably would not be able to tell which was which. I love em both.

Borch
March 30, 2009, 12:25 AM
I ahve a 23 and my wife has a 19 so I have shot both extensively and I can tell little difference, personally. The recoil on my 23 is a bit sanppier but if you have a firm grip and shoot with proper technique it's nothing outrageous.

The G19 is a pleasure to shoot. Extended range sessions (aka Plinking) are fun.

I find extended sessions with either the 19 or my 23 are are quite fun and have no problem handling high volume shooting with the 23. The "recoil problem" with the .40 is easily overcome through technique and practice.

Glockman30
March 30, 2009, 12:40 AM
I have a 19,23,32 and 30 and I shoot the 32 (.357sig) better than any of them. If you have a 23 you really should buy a G32 barrel and you will be good to go. The 23 mags feed the 32 perfectly.

DSAPT9
March 30, 2009, 01:04 AM
I have had both as well as the 22 and 17 and when all was said and done I now have 5 Glock 19s. I love the price of the ammo, factory 33 round mags and if the SHTF NATO forces use 9mm so ammo is always available. I have 2 green and 3 black so I am color coordinated for most occasions. If I was a cop going into the thick of things I would want the 40 but as a civilian I like to avoid bad thing but am proficient enough to use the 9mm well and I am not limited to FMJ ammo.

Zerodefect
March 30, 2009, 09:10 PM
Thanks guys. I was concerned about recoil slowing my shots. Sounds like its a non issue.

If I can find a G23 I'll get one. If there are only 19's in stock I'll setle for one of those.

Ammo cost is a non-issue. It costs what it costs.

The 9mm Glocks seem to be more reliable than the .40's...... but I haven't witnessed any failures from any Glocks lately.

Probally use a Comtac MTAC iwb holster for carry.

denfoote
March 30, 2009, 10:40 PM
Thanks guys. I've got the 30sf. Nice carry piece but it deosn't fit my hand as well as a 1911 or G19. If I don't get used to the 30, I'll trade it. The G19 feels right in my hands, don't know why.


I have small hands and the G30SF fits my hands.
I also have the G23 and the G36.
I now prefer the G30SF.

Erik
March 31, 2009, 10:37 AM
"Why is the Glock 19 better loved than the 23?"

It largely comes down to perceptions of durability. The 9mm Glock line is extremely durable, where as the .40S&W Glock line is less so. Outside of that head to head comparison, though, .40S&W Glocks fare well in terms of durability against the competition. Both are extremely size efficient and shootable, mind you.

For example, I've had several such conversations among various agency personnel during or following upgrades from 9mm to .40S&W:

Q: Why the bias against .40S&W Glocks?
A: They aren't as durable as 9mm Glocks.
Q: How durable are they?
A: We observed repeated failures at approximately 50,000 rounds fired, requiring a re-build. By comparison, that is at least half of what we observed with the 9mm guns.
Q: So we chose brand X's .40S&W?
A: Yes.
Q: How durable are they?
A: Very.
Q: At what point where they observed to fail?
A: (After much hedging, the truth comes out...) 35,000 rounds fired.
Q: And they are durable enough?
A: Yes. We are satisfied with their performance.
Q: But .40S&W Glocks don't cut it?
A: No, they don't. They aren't as durable as 9mm Glocks. (And the cycle begins again...)

No bias in the decision making there, nope. None. Move along.

Ghost Tracker
March 31, 2009, 10:54 AM
IMHO, the G19 & G30 are MVPs of the GLOCK All-Stars. As for the 9mm vs. .40 S&W decision in the GLOCK compact? You can't go wrong either way. I like the G19, but it's a purely subjective decision. And just a little food-for-thought, if you fill four 5 gallon buckets with spent primers, you're still well below the 50,000 round count. Brothers & Sisters, that's a LOT of shooting. Go ahead...try to wear-out a GLOCK.

Silverado6x6
March 31, 2009, 12:23 PM
I am buying the Lone Wolf .40 barrel for my G23, thats because I reload and have seen first hand the "bulge" on the case because of the unsupported area of the Glock barrel. The .40 is a high pressure case and almost any flaw such as repeated high pressure loadings can cause a case rupture. But as for a defensive posture I prefer a .40 or a 10mm over the 9mm.

Dan Crocker
March 31, 2009, 01:24 PM
I am buying the Lone Wolf .40 barrel for my G23, thats because I reload and have seen first hand the "bulge" on the case because of the unsupported area of the Glock barrel. The .40 is a high pressure case and almost any flaw such as repeated high pressure loadings can cause a case rupture. But as for a defensive posture I prefer a .40 or a 10mm over the 9mm.

I've had both barrels side by side and looked at them. You might be surprised about the 'unsupported' myth. The Lone Wolf barrel does have a tighter chamber than the OEM Glock though.

rtn
March 31, 2009, 05:08 PM
Love my Glock 19. The Glock 30 (.45 ACP) is a nice shooter too.

Zerodefect
March 31, 2009, 07:10 PM
I'm not concerned about KB's. I don't reload ammo and I actually clean my barrels.:D Not to concerned about ammo cost. Just reliability and speed.

Think I'm going to try the 23 unless I find a 19 in green first. I wouldn't mind trying the .357 sig either. So I guess I could add the G32 to the list as well, only I'd get an extra .40 barrel for it.

19, 23, 32.....first one I find NIB in OD greens going to be the winner. If I find all three or only black, I'll get the 23.

Thanks for all the help.

NG VI
March 31, 2009, 07:36 PM
Wearing a 23 right now, love it. What the other posters have said about the compact Glocks being extremely size efficient is true, the design doesn't require any extra bulk whatsoever, so even though some people call them bulky or blocky, they are actually pretty trim compared to pistols with comparable stats.

I also have a 9mm conversion barrel for mine, I took it out last weekend as a .40, then a few days later as a 9mm. I was actually pretty surprised to find out that I didn't notice a big difference in recoil between the two. I did notice that I am clearly out of practice and need to hit the range more often though. Had a bit more muzzle flip as a .40, but it wasn't bad. When I had it out as a 9mm I vaporized a small glass pipe I found out at the shooting area, it was great. I use a Lone Wolf 40-9 barrel, I think it's about the least expensive one out there, and I have had very good experience with their customer service with the 40-9 barrel for my 27. Solid, heavy stainless steel barrel too, they feel good.

10-Ring
March 31, 2009, 08:28 PM
I had a 23 -- sold it. Ended up picking up a 19 years later to calm the universe & the handgun gods...now all is at peace.
Why is the 19 better? I prefer shooting the 9mm better, Glock has had fewer problems w/ the 9mm line up & their reputation began w/ their full size 9 mm -- the 17 --

slammy
March 31, 2009, 10:37 PM
I have a 19 and 23. the kick back and up is only worse with the FMJ 180 grain load in the 23. The low recoil PD loads are about the same as the heavy 9mm loads IMO. I like plinking with the 19 but have decided the 23 with CT grips is my primary ccw.

NG VI
March 31, 2009, 11:03 PM
Oh I have to agree that Glock does their best work with their 9mm pistols, but they had ten years of practice with that caliber and it is probably the easiest caliber to design a pistol around. Not particularly demanding on the pistols and it tends to feed well.

earlthegoat2
March 31, 2009, 11:05 PM
Its because it is a 9mm plain and simple. Its not that I hate 40s but the ammo costs the same as the 45 so I might as well have the 45 plus I like 1911s and 40s are scarce in those guns. The 9mm is the most prevalant gun around the world with tons of ammo availability.

slammy
April 1, 2009, 07:09 PM
I wuld like to hear from a LEO what they would perfer and why....

Dan Crocker
April 1, 2009, 11:36 PM
They'll probably have their own opinions...being a cop doesn't make you an automatic end-all on guns.

Defense Minister
April 1, 2009, 11:52 PM
It is my understanding that the original Glock pistol was actually developed around the 9mm cartridge. The problems with the large caliber Glocks occur because they are a 9mm gun that has been redesigned to function with a larger cartridge.

Smith & Wesson designed the M&P around the .40 S&W cartridge, and they had quite a few problems with the 9mm version when it first hit the market.

I am in the market for a compact Glock right now myself, and even though I much prefer the .40 to the 9mm, I am looking for a Model 19.

1911user
April 2, 2009, 12:46 AM
If I buy another general-purpose glock, it'll be a 19. IMHO it is a real sweet spot for capacity, size, recoil, and concealment among service-type pistols.

slammy
April 2, 2009, 09:00 PM
yes Dan ....As it appears you do....although I was asking for theirs. I have a 19 and love it I just perfer to carry the 23, a little more power for about the same size. I must confess I like shooting my browning HP a little better than the 19 but then it was my very first handgun that I owned.

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