50yrd accuracy with bulk 22lr?


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JDGray
March 29, 2009, 01:31 PM
I have a Savage MKII heavy barrel 22lr, with a Leupold VX1 3x9x40, and can only squeeze 1.5" groups, off bags at 50yrds. The only ammo I ever buy is Wally World bulk Fed and Rem. How much better does match ammo shoot?

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jmr40
March 29, 2009, 01:41 PM
With my Ruger 10-22 I get about the same with the bulk ammo. My CZ 452 American will usually come in around 3/4" with the bulk ammo. I prefer the Federal. The Match ammo does not help my Ruger enough to matter but I can get 3/8" or smaller groups out of the CZ with it. I have found the CCI mini-mag ammo to be the best buy for accuracy. At around $7.00 per 100 rounds it is a lot cheaper than the match ammo and at least in my guns it is almost as accurate.

FlyinBryan
March 29, 2009, 01:44 PM
usually a little smaller than a penny with my 1022.

it has a green mountain barrel

browningguy
March 29, 2009, 01:46 PM
You would have to try different ammo to see which your gun prefers, but I would guess with match ammo it likes your rifle would certainly be under 1" with quality ammo. The heavy barrelled Savage is known to be accurate and I would not be surprised if accuracy was even better than that. I usaually shoot Mini Mags for plinking, and Eley Match Extra or Pistol Match for accuracy shooting.

TMM
March 29, 2009, 01:47 PM
on a good day i can get groups like that, with a couple flyers. it's old Remington ammo that sat in grampa's garage and/or attic for many years.

gun's a remington 504 with a BSA sweet 17 scope on it.

TMM

elmerfudd
March 29, 2009, 01:48 PM
If you want accuracy, ditch the Remington ammo. It just plain sucks. Federal isn't bad though. I have good luck with my CZ452 and American Eagle, (made by Federal), hp 38 grain. Using that combo I can shoot 1/2" groups at 50 yards pretty reliably. At about 65 yards the bullets go transonic and the accuracy begins to go downhill.

Wolf match gives even better results, especially if I'm shooting out to 100 yards, but at 60 yards or less the American Eagle does well enough that I don't notice the difference.

doubs43
March 29, 2009, 01:53 PM
It greatly depends upon the rifle and the cartridge chosen as some combinations work while others don't. While the Federal 510 cartridges come in bricks ($13.90 at Sports Academy), I consider them to be about the same as "bulk" ammo.

Here is a target I shot last August with my CZ-453 American and federal #510. Each group has four shots in it and the fifth shot was placed on the left of the target so as to average the four holes to subtract from the outside measurements for a C-C group size. they were shot at 50 yards.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i99/doubs43/CZ-453%20American/CZ453ACACFed5108-17-08.jpg

JDGray
March 29, 2009, 01:57 PM
My luck with Rem and Fed bulk, has been shakey in the past with my 22/45. I'll pick up some mini mags, and see how they do. I guess I was expecting too much out of this rifle, 3 moa kinda blows:D

bensdad
March 29, 2009, 02:14 PM
My most accurate .22 (Marlin Mod. 880) prefers Remington Target Rifle Ely Ltd. It's funny how they all seem to have favorites. One of my Mod. 60s does pretty well with the Fed. Bulk Pak.

Chuck456
March 29, 2009, 02:14 PM
The bulk .22LR ammo sold at Wally world will never do any better than what you have already achieved. Try using CCI standard velocity or if you are feeling rich buy a box of CCI green tag.

LTR shooter
March 29, 2009, 02:17 PM
The only ammo I ever buy is Wally World bulk Fed and Rem. How much better does match ammo shoot?

With that Savage I bet you would see a noticeable difference with plain standard velocity ammo like CCI. Or a higher quality hi-velocity like Mini-Mags. The bulk ammo is not usually the ammo to use test top accuracy for a rifle.

desidog
March 29, 2009, 02:33 PM
Have you tried hunting ammo at all? I've found CCI Velocitors to be the most accurate of anything i've put through my 10/22 with 18" x .920" GM barrel.

A couple years ago I bought one box of every type of .22lr ammo the store had for under $7/50 (about 10 types), and tried out each of em. CCI stingers came in second.

Ky Larry
March 29, 2009, 02:35 PM
My Thompson/Center Classic likes Blazer bulk pack better than Rem or Fed bulk pack. It really likes CCI Green Tag.

SpeedAKL
March 29, 2009, 04:55 PM
I have a Mark II, the Federal bulk ammo produces 1-2 inch groups at 50 yards with some flyers. Bulk .22 isn't the highest-quality stuff in the world.

benzy2
March 29, 2009, 05:13 PM
Good ammo should turn those groups into 1/3 that size, if everything else is done right. I find that federal champion 510 shoots better in my personal CZ than anything short of eley tenex. I have a few more fliers with 510 but the overall group size, even with the fliers, averages out better than what wolf or anything in the $5-$10/50 does. I enjoy it since I can shoot all day on the cheap with my CZ. It doesn't seem to consistently have enough power to always cycle some of my pistols but I'm not looking for absolute minimum group size with them.

tasco 74
March 29, 2009, 06:22 PM
my 1022 ruger custom rifle will shoot the bulk stuff into groups at 50 yds i cover with my thumb............... thats off a sandbag rest or the bipod and a bench...... it's nice to own a rifle that likes cheap ammo!!

ShakyJake
March 29, 2009, 07:48 PM
Hi JDGray
One thing that I tried with some measure of success is with the rim thickness. There was an article in one of the gun mags. that showed how the rim thickness effected accuracy. I use an empty 223 shell and caliper. I found I separate my 22s by +or- 2 on the analog dial. Don't remember what it is. But it has worked well enough with the model 39A that I want to try it with the Rem. Model 5 and Marlin Model 983ss. The article discussed a couple other methods, but they did not show enough significant improvement to warrant consideration. Found that competition level ammo already basically has this done. It's the bulk and standard ammo that should be checked. Just a thought.
TaKe CaRe
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woof
March 29, 2009, 07:55 PM
My Mark II does much better with Federal Champion 510 than with bulk, although it is only slightly higher in price.

mongo4567
March 29, 2009, 08:10 PM
My Marlin 880SQ liked the bulk Remington the best. I haven't shot it for groups in a while and I've seen what I feel to be a decline in the Remington bulk quality. I've tried a lot of different ammo but none shot measurebly better. I typically get groups less than 1/2 inch at 50 yards. These are about at my limit.

pmbiker
March 29, 2009, 08:42 PM
A .22 rimfire more than any caliber seems to be very ammo sensitive. When I put a Green Mtn Heavy Sporter barrel on my 10/22 I bought a little box of every .22lr I could find, checking 3 gun shops and 3 big sporting goods stores.

I broke it in(another thread all together)with about 300 rounds of bulk ammo doing some cleaning after every mag or two. Strong ammo preferences were very obvious with groups around an inch +/-.2 with bulk Remington to 3/8-1/2inch consistently with Wolf Match Extra. It liked CCI Mini-Mags, Green Tag and Aguila SSS very well too.

Long story short, try more ammo. Your rifle will show you what it likes and you can hone your skills some.

ifit
March 30, 2009, 03:20 AM
my results using american eagle 38gr. HP, store owner calls them bricks probably 400 plus rounds in it. my latest shots with my .22 cz
@ 50 yards

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/452fswithweaverscope016.jpg

gotime242
March 30, 2009, 08:07 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=411005

railroader
March 30, 2009, 08:17 AM
If you can find them winchester dynapoints shoot well for me. Yesterday with a new a&b barrel I was getting groups between .5" and .75". One 5 shot group was right at .37" for 50 yards. Mark

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