10/22 or Dedicated 22 Upper?


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Bill2e
March 29, 2009, 06:45 PM
I have got to get one or the other. I love shooting the AR, but dropping $200 on ammo to knock down soda cans just does not make sense.

So I am starting the process to find either a used 10/22 to trick out, or just go ahead and get a dedicated upper in 22 and build a 22AR.

Either will serve the purpose and cost about the same when completed. I just can't decide which one to get and why.

Any thoughts.

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Pilot
March 29, 2009, 06:49 PM
Why don't you just buy a 10/22 receiver and build up a super accurate .22 starting with that. I believe Volquartsen, Clark and others make the receivers. I ended up building a few 10/22's and all I had left of the original gun was the receiver and bolt. :rolleyes:



http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=13855&title=10/22~%20SUPERLITE%20RECEIVER

gvnwst
March 29, 2009, 06:49 PM
Most people will say 10/22, but i vote for the upper. You get that pratice you wanted in your AR, for a much lower price, and if you already have the lower tricked out, all that stuff transfers to the .22lr.

bushmasterar15
March 29, 2009, 06:52 PM
I had both before but now only a tricked out 10/22

TRGRHPY
March 29, 2009, 07:05 PM
Do the 10/22 with a nordic kit.

JimJD
March 29, 2009, 07:28 PM
I'd go with the 10/22. You can rebuild it. You have the technology.
Better... Stronger... Faster.

The Six Mill... er, uh...:uhoh:

I had a lot of fun working on my 10/22. There are still some things I have to do, but as it is right now; that rifle is so accurate.
Check out rimfirecentral.com (http://www.rimfirecentral.com/) if you haven't already. It's a great place for all things rimfire.

pgeleven
March 30, 2009, 09:59 AM
i would go for the 10/22 because mags will be cheaper and easier to come by

wally
March 30, 2009, 05:26 PM
i would go for the 10/22 because mags will be cheaper and easier to come by

My experience is two out of three 10/22 rifles needed Volquartson "Exact Edge" extractors before they'd be reliable with any of the non-Ruger magazines. Not a major expense, but kind of a PITA to install.

If I don't find anything at next weekend's gun show, I'll probably order a Spike's dedicated .22 upper and a bunch of Black Dog 25 round mags.

Hint: if you've a C&R FFL send it to Midway and get setup with their dealer discounts, then you can get the Black Dog mags for about the same price as the Butler Creek "steel lips" 10/22 mags. I think if you did half a dozen mags it'd about pay for getting your C&R with the dealer discount!

So I consider the mag issue a wash. I have the "new" Ruger Tactical 10/22 with the Tapco collapsible stock, and while nice, its not really much like shooting an AR. I was happy that this one has so far worked with all my 10/22 mags without needing the extractor replacement.

The Ruger Tactical is about half the cost of the Spikes upper so if money is tight you can sure have a boat load of fun with the Ruger Tactical and a $30 red dot from CDNN -- Mine has so far been 100% even with the cheap Eagle 30 rounders and poorly rated Ramline 50 rounders.

Neither the Ruger or Spikes come with a full capacity mag, the Spikes comes with none, the Ruger the standard 10/22 10 round rotary.

--wally.

JImbothefiveth
March 30, 2009, 05:30 PM
Why don't you just buy a 10/22 receiver and build up a super accurate .22 starting with that.
Because the reciever you linked to costs about $100 more than a 10/22. Also, you might not want to modify the 10/22, and if you do, you will have the regular components left over in case you don't like the aftermarket stuff.

I don't know how to vote, because I'm not sure of .22 upper quality.
You can probably get a 10/22 with collapsable stock cheaper than an AR upper, although the trigger and sights won't be the same.

waterhouse
March 30, 2009, 05:43 PM
I went with the dedicated upper. It uses my AR trigger and stock, and the weight is about the same as the AR, so I feel it makes for decent (if not perfect) AR practice. My lower is also registered as an SBR, so it allowed me to get a 10 inch barrel .22, which is the same length as the .223 upper.

ArmedBear
March 30, 2009, 05:44 PM
I have and really like my Model 1 Sales .22 upper.

Quality is excellent. Reliability beats the pants off a 10/22. Cleaning it, even more so: it's easier, quicker and more pleasant for sure.

If you want an AR in .22, get one.

If you want to build a match rifle, or you just want a money pit, get a 10/22.

WNTFW
March 30, 2009, 11:27 PM
Bill2e,
http://www.tech-sights.com/
This will allow you the same sights as an AR on a 10/22 or Marlin 60 for less money.

For me the problem with the conversions are too many conflicting range reports. I like other US service rifles, so the ergonomics of the AR was not a big selling point.

Just giving you another option.
WNTFW

rangerruck
March 31, 2009, 05:43 AM
good for you on the upper, the 10.22 is just not worth it anymore.

CoRoMo
March 31, 2009, 10:19 AM
10/22 or Dedicated 22 Upper?

Both are on my shopping list.
However, the new S&W AR is priced in the neighborhood of a complete upper, so maybe I'll swap the upper on my list for that AR.

Pilot
March 31, 2009, 10:23 AM
Also, you might not want to modify the 10/22, and if you do, you will have the regular components left over in case you don't like the aftermarket stuff.


Yes the Volquartsen receiver is more expensive. It is also very high quality.

Have you ever built up a 10/22? Trust me, you will never go back to the original parts once you install the aftermarket stuff, including stock, barrel and trigger group. There is just no comparison. If you shot one stock then shot one of mine, you would know the extreme difference.

ArmedBear
March 31, 2009, 11:54 AM
Have you ever built up a 10/22? Trust me, you will never go back to the original parts once you install the aftermarket stuff, including stock, barrel and trigger group. There is just no comparison.

I'll go one further...

The 10/22 design is excellent. The 10/22 as it is now being produced, is junk, and it's overpriced junk at that. Many things would be forgivable at half the price a 10/22 now goes for -- though I'd still opt for a Marlin 795, which already IS half the price.

Volquartsen takes that excellent design, and builds it like the engineers who designed it would have wanted to see.

I have no interest in a regular 10/22. I sold the one I had. I have much better guns -- some of them cheaper like a Marlin 60, and some of them Rugers. I like Ruger, generally.

The Volquartsen (and the Magnum Research, same concept: 10/22 design built right) DO interest me.:) Yes, they're expensive, which is why I haven't bought one -- I used what money I had for a match-grade Ruger pistol, gone over by a 'smith, and with a bunch of Volquartsen parts in it, since I have been shooting pistol matches, not rifle matches.

Bill2e
March 31, 2009, 04:54 PM
However, the new S&W AR is priced in the neighborhood of a complete upper, so maybe I'll swap the upper on my list for that AR.


That one is intersting. But will we see it before september?

The 10/22 design is excellent. The 10/22 as it is now being produced, is junk, and it's overpriced junk at that

What about the PRE Warning 10/22 are they of better quality?

Dimis
March 31, 2009, 10:34 PM
+1 for the 10/22 get the cheapest one you can find or get just a reciever litteraly EVERYTHING is replacable on the 10/22 so if your not happy with something change it
you can build a 10/22 a million times over not that you cant do that with ARs but its not as fun (at least i dont find it as fun)
if your looking for accuracy two words
TONY KIDD

idpa4u
March 31, 2009, 11:21 PM
I love my 10/22s and tricking them out with the parts is slightly addictive and you can easily create an incredibly accurate rifle that has much of the same feel as an AR. But to be honest, I love shooting the AR22 much more than the 10/22. My spikes AR22 is the first gun I grab for a fun Saturday at the range, along with my 1911 with 22 conversion, and two bricks of ammo.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa253/ruger4u/IMG_2147.jpg

Zach S
April 1, 2009, 09:13 AM
I never really enjoyed shooting .22s. They were just to get triggertime for cheap.

At the age of 11, my little sister took interest in shooting. I saw a LN used 10-22 for 90 bucks, and got it. She spent more time behind my AR, most of the time with the ceiner installed, but not always.

Ammo started going up. My daughter was born, I was married, etc. My disposable income was no longer disposable. I'd shoot centerfire when I could, and my 10-22 stayed in the safe.

I had a good for nothing AMT frame and decided to rebuild it. It had a Kimber gripsafety installed (I have four kimbers), and with the combination of take-off and used parts, I had a complete frame, and the intention of putting it under an AA conversion.

I wound up with a Ciener (couldnt find an AA when I got the fame back). I built it just so I could get cheap triggertime with a 1911. After a short time, it became my favorite pistol. I dont even take it out of the rangebag when I get home. Because of that pistol, I cant go to wal-mart without getting a federal valuepack (unless they're out).

That led to my dedicated upper. I started off with the ciener conversion, with the intention of building my upper around it as money allowed. I ended up using a KKF bbl, M1S flat top 9mm upper, and I came across a stripped lower I forgot about. So I got the odds and ends to complete it, and finished my carbine.

I used to think rimfire was boring, its low cost was the only thing that appealed to me. Now that I have it in platforms I like, its more fun than a bbl of monkeys.

If you wont enjoy a 10-22, go ahead and get the upper. Otherwise it will sit in the safe, unfired, for years at a time, while you complain about the price of ammo. That's what I did anyway...

mcdonl
April 1, 2009, 10:26 AM
So... I had a nice 10/22 with a Tapco stock, red-dot and bi-pod. I loved it. I traded it for a handgun I wanted. Well, after reading this thread I went out and purchased a brand new 10/22. Granted it was not as nice as the early 80's I had the last time, but it is still pretty sweet. And I will probably get the tapco again. When I shoot with my buds, they run out of .223 waaay faster then I run out of .22 LR

Also, I wanted to note... out of the 4 local places I called that had used 10/22's.... they were all more expensive then Dicks and Cabelas had them new for. Just goes to show, that used is not always a good deal.

Leroy

Spyvie
April 1, 2009, 11:15 AM
10/22 with Tech Sights...

My LTR
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/spyvie/DSCN1796.jpg

Spyvie
April 1, 2009, 11:18 AM
Also, I wanted to note... out of the 4 local places I called that had used 10/22's.... they were all more expensive then Dicks and Cabelas had them new for. Just goes to show, that used is not always a good deal.

The newer 10/22s have plastic trigger groups, the ones made just a few years ago are all metal.

bushmasterar15
April 1, 2009, 11:35 AM
I was given a old 10/22. The only thing is its missing the complete trigger group. I would like to build it to teach the kids in town gun saftey. If someone had a spare original they replaced with a aftermarket and could help out please let me know.

mcdonl
April 1, 2009, 12:03 PM
Spyvie.... all of the used rifles were "new", same plastic parts.

Leroy

sarduy
April 1, 2009, 02:43 PM
http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=176

Dimis
April 1, 2009, 04:09 PM
Bushmaster check out Rimfirecentral.com they are always replacing parts there and im sure someone has an original trigger group
otherwise ebay

Zach S
April 1, 2009, 04:13 PM
If you have a 1:9 bbl the conversion may be pretty accurate with it. Just like with with heavy bullets, some 1:9 bbls shoot .22 very well, others, not so much. Just have to try it and see.

If you'd like to shoot cheaper, but still get realistic AR triggertime (double taps, follow ups, etc), you could look into a 9mm.

Or, depending on how much money you have, get both. I have one of each.

bigmike45
April 1, 2009, 10:00 PM
I have a 10/22 and as much fun as it is to shoot, I wanted to practice more with my AR so I went to the dedicated rimfire upper from Velocity. It is incredibly accurate and I now have a brick of .22 through it without any problems.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/mike_seale/22conv1.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/mike_seale/22conv2.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/mike_seale/22conv3.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/mike_seale/22conv4.jpg

crunchyuncle
April 1, 2009, 10:51 PM
why do a dedicated upper, i have a CMMG .22 bolt conversion for my DPMS ar black dog machine 27rd mag works great. then again i also have a 10/22 with a 12x scope..lots of fun with both. takes 20 seconds to change a .223 to .22 in the AR..so i guess just personal preference....BTW first post for me been reading for a while.

EDIT: btw got it at AIMSURPLUS.com real friendly help when i had questions about other products..

Wade-0
April 2, 2009, 01:33 AM
Don't go into a 10/22 thinking it will be less expensive. It's just like BRD, once you start modding the 10/22 you will easily sink just as much cash into it, if not more, than you would have on a dedicated .22 upper... and probably still end up wanting the dedicated upper.

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