Acquaintance want me to provide his ammo..


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Shooter973
March 29, 2009, 06:59 PM
A fellow that I was acquainted with about 5 years ago showed up on my doorstep last night. He is a fairly nice guy but we are not really friends, I've never been in his home. He is quite well to do and I'm just Joe blue collar.
Well the Ammo shortage has caught up to him. And he thought of me, the neighborhood gun guy. He wanted me to find him some high quality Hollow point ammo for his 45acp's . He has 2 Kimbers. And the same type ammo in 357 Sig. and 380 Auto.
I told him he was about a year behind the curve on getting any of that. :scrutiny:
Then he wanted me to use my componentes to reload him about 1000 rounds of each of HIS prefered ammo. He said that he would pay me a "good" price for it and he would try and replace my components sometime soon.
I don't want to be a jerk but I don't want to use up my components that I got at what are now good prices, in the hopes that he will be able to replace them at his leisure. I just don't want to do any reloading for him, but he thinks that HIS time is to valuable to learn how to do and then the supply problems are there also. How can I handle this with out coming off as a real Jerk. I know all about not reloading for others with out the Federal licenses and so forth but he says that it'll just be between us and no one needs to know.
You thoughts and idea would be welcome.....:confused:

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alemonkey
March 29, 2009, 07:01 PM
I'd just tell him you don't feel comfortable with it. What if you make a mistake and he's injured? If he's a decent guy he should drop it at that and not push you.

ThrottleJockey
March 29, 2009, 07:03 PM
Just tell him it is too big of a liability in case any damages occur as a result of handloads, either to his gun, or him.

PotatoJudge
March 29, 2009, 07:04 PM
Just tell him you won't reload for others to avoid the liability in case you blow up a gun again. Because four is enough :evil:.

hk lover
March 29, 2009, 07:07 PM
he may say its between the two of you until he has a problem with his gun and blames your reloads.im very confident in my reloads but ill not let my freedoms be harmed by someone else,ive nearly lost friends over this same situation before and its easier to set them up reloading than to take chances of something bad happening.lawyers are abundant and so is the ATF.one phone call from someone mad at you is all it takes if you take the chance

SpecialKalltheway
March 29, 2009, 07:08 PM
tell him "sure, I charge 25 bucks per bullet." :D since he wanted a thousand rounds of each that will be 50K more than worth using your supplies I would say. Just remember cash up front :evil:

jnyork
March 29, 2009, 07:11 PM
Good rule to stay happy and not be in big trouble: Never shoot anyone else's reloads and never reload for anyone. Never. Ever.

4Freedom
March 29, 2009, 07:11 PM
If he ends up shooting someone with your reloaded bullets, do you think you yourself will not be involved? Dunno, but I heard there is some issues with using reloads and the DA. Not sure if it is true, but just a thought. Just say ing no, won't make you sound like a jerk, unless he is a jerk. Cannot you just tell the guy to shop online at gunbroker? I was able to score a lot of good 45ACP and other types of ammo. If you search around there is still deals to be had. You said he is willing to pay a good price, sounds like if money is not an issue this guy can definately get what he needs.

Nowhere Man
March 29, 2009, 07:17 PM
Be honest and tell him you don't feel comfortable loading for others....


Dave

Zach S
March 29, 2009, 07:17 PM
Being a car guy, I get asked to do this or that to someone's car. I play the "liability card" quite a bit to get out of it.

Its not entirely true. The whole truth is that with a full time job on graveyard shift, wife and kid, I'm lucky to get to work on my own project car a few hours a week. Not to mention I don't wanna be responsible for screwing up a car that belongs to someone else.

Silverado6x6
March 29, 2009, 07:25 PM
Myself I would prefer to know where my prints and DNA are, on my ammo and not somebody else's.

what if he sells it to somebody that decides to go postal?

outerlimit
March 29, 2009, 07:32 PM
A fellow that I was acquainted with about 5 years ago showed up on my doorstep last night. He is a fairly nice guy but we are not really friends, I've never been in his home. He is quite well to do and I'm just Joe blue collar.
Well the Ammo shortage has caught up to him. And he thought of me, the neighborhood gun guy. He wanted me to find him some high quality Hollow point ammo for his 45acp's . He has 2 Kimbers. And the same type ammo in 357 Sig. and 380 Auto.
I told him he was about a year behind the curve on getting any of that.
Then he wanted me to use my componentes to reload him about 1000 rounds of each of HIS prefered ammo. He said that he would pay me a "good" price for it and he would try and replace my components sometime soon.
I don't want to be a jerk but I don't want to use up my components that I got at what are now good prices, in the hopes that he will be able to replace them at his leisure. I just don't want to do any reloading for him, but he thinks that HIS time is to valuable to learn how to do and then the supply problems are there also. How can I handle this with out coming off as a real Jerk. I know all about not reloading for others with out the Federal licenses and so forth but he says that it'll just be between us and no one needs to know.
You thoughts and idea would be welcome.....

Don't worry about being a jerk. From the sound of it, he's the jerk. Don't be a pushover.

SCKimberFan
March 29, 2009, 07:34 PM
A fellow that I was acquainted with about 5 years ago showed up on my doorstep last night. He is a fairly nice guy but we are not really friends, I've never been in his home.

Big red flag. As Nancy Reagan says: Just say NO.

TexasRifleman
March 29, 2009, 07:36 PM
Tell him it is against Federal law to manufacture and sell ammo without a license.

Plain, simple, and true.

Type 6 FFL is a licensed maker of ammunition and reloading components other than Armor Piercing ammunition.

Average Joe
March 29, 2009, 07:39 PM
Tell him you don't reload anymore.

warnerwh
March 29, 2009, 07:42 PM
You could offer to teach him how to reload on his equipment using his components or else he's out of luck. If he's got plenty of money get him to buy a progressive or turret press and all the goodies we need to reload.

Titan6
March 29, 2009, 08:02 PM
The best advice is to tell him he is asking you to break the law. If that does not move him off then tell him to get lost. Sounds like nothing but trouble to me.

ThrottleJockey
March 29, 2009, 08:05 PM
It's probably just an ignorant and innocent request. He likely just doesn't know the rules. But I would still say no just because of the rules.

Duke of Doubt
March 29, 2009, 08:10 PM
I would cite the federal prohibition and the civil liability concerns.

The real reason I wouldn't do it is because he sounds like the grasshopper at the door of the ant.

Besides, I was just at a gun show today, and there was defensive ammo on sale in all the calibers you mention. My local gun stores and pawn shops are stocked with ammo. He probably is one of those people who thinks the world is out of ammo when Walmart can't get enough at their prices. Well, guess what? Walmart is no longer the go to place for cheap ammo. He needs to learn this, and (gasp!) enter a pawn shop, likely for the first time in his life.

Titan6
March 29, 2009, 08:11 PM
Maybe he is ignorant and innocent and maybe he isn't. Randy Weaver thought the same thing and it didn't work out so good for him.

Huddog
March 29, 2009, 08:21 PM
Tell him you spoke to your attorney and the liability is too great and it is against the law.

Suicide*Ride
March 29, 2009, 08:22 PM
I was wondering when it would come to this. Kinda like winning the lottery & all of your "old friends" showing up to help you count it.

Kimber guy's got the bread for two high-end weapons, & not the brains to have bought food for them.

I, like you, have been approached to provide reloads for someone who couldn't be bothered to squirrel away a little "here & there" over the yrs., or couldn't be bothered to make the investment in learning how to "roll your own".

What really bothers me about your post - The ammo shortage has caught up to him. And he thought of me, the neighborhood gun guy.

Makes you wonder who else thinks that way about you? :scrutiny:

Clarence
March 29, 2009, 08:23 PM
I love guys like that. You never see them until they want something.

rust collector
March 29, 2009, 08:24 PM
Don't.

Now you can tell him that your lawyer says no, you cannot under any circumstances sell reloaded ammunition due to federal law and liability concerns. You can also tell him you don't have enough for your own use (at least I never met anyone who did).

But you'll be sure to let him know when you find commercial stuff at a good price. "Nice to see you again. Wanna go bowling next Thursday with me and the boys?"

Dark Skies
March 29, 2009, 08:29 PM
Personally I'd go with the 'you're asking me to break the law' angle.

That's an argument killer right there. If he persists then he's being a jerk.

If that sounds too goody two shoes for you to shoulder then just tell him you don't have the dies for that ammo.

I think he's being a right spanker in expecting you to give up your time and materials just so he can shoot off your back. I wouldn't even have the nerve to ask a casual acquaintence - especially from five years back - to wear that.

AllAmerican
March 29, 2009, 08:33 PM
Tell him you'll reload him his required amount of ammo but that its gonna cost him two Kimbers.

tunnug
March 29, 2009, 08:36 PM
outerlimit beat me to it, He's being the jerk here so you have no reason to beat around the bush, just come out and say "sorry, can't help you" and then you can add " there's a lot of online supliers that will ship to your door, not much shortage there".

www.ammoman.com
www.aimsurplus.com
www.midwayusa.com

moooose102
March 29, 2009, 08:52 PM
just tell hin what the starkist folks tell charlie tuna. "sorry charlie!"

Davionmaximus
March 29, 2009, 09:02 PM
I am an auto technician by trade... EVERYONE I ever meet immediately wants me to work on thier cars.
The technique i use is simply to say "No" sorry.. I already have a Job.
It will work in this instance too. You have a job I am sure.. and reloading ammo for other people is NOT it.
Tell him "Reloading is a hobby not your job".

He can still find ammo if he really wants it.

rondog
March 29, 2009, 09:08 PM
What they said.

catspa
March 29, 2009, 09:29 PM
Hey, S973.

As other posters have covered, if you want the guy to buzz off, there are plenty of reasons you can give. If you haven't seen him in 5 years, why would you care about how you come across to him? So he thinks you're a jerk, so what?

OTOH, what if you really do think he's a nice guy and want to help him out? Or maybe you think that him owing you a favor could come in handy sometime. For whatever reason, if you don't want to just blow him off, I think you've got some options.

First off, you bought your components at a time when they were readily available, maybe you even got a good deal on them. In other words, you provided then for your future needs or wants. This guy did not. So to be fair, whatever of yours gets used up for him, he should pay a price that reflects not only the increased cost of components, but the fact that to replace them (right now) you would have to spend lots of time scrunging them up.

Second, you also invested in all the necessary gear at a time when you could pick and choose what you wanted. That opportunity isn't available to him now, but that's not your fault. I guess what I'm getting at is, he's approaching you in a state of mild desperation and asking for a favor. Just because he's desperate, brought on by his own choices, doesn't obligate you to compromise your situation to help him.

Third, you might look at what other obligations you have and see if you can reasonably invest some time and effort to help the guy.

Four, you don't want to end up in a situation where you've got a lot invested and he's got nothing, so at each stage of the process, you want him doing his part, and preferably a little bit more.

Okay, so if you still want to do something for him after all that (and you already have the dies etc. to load what he wants), here's how I would go about it.

"Hey, Biff. S973 here, how's it goin' bud? Hey, we talked the other day about reloading together, and I think there's a way I can help you out some. It may not be exactly what you wanted, but here's what I can do for ya.

First thing we do is make a list of the powders we have load data for, what size primers, what weight bullets, etc. Then we find all the sources of ammo and components in the area, and you put them on speed dial and call them every other day or so and ask for what you want. All the shops, not just the cheap places like Walmart. It's too late now to be picky over a few bucks, so even if they only have a hundred large pistol primers, you head over and pick 'em up. I know, it's a hassle, but it's better to get your components little by little than not at all.

Next, you've been saving all your brass, haven't you? Shiite, man. That's the only reusable part. Okay, when you go to the range, look at what other shooters are shooting. Ask if you can gather up their brass when they're done. Ask the range officer if you can buy fired brass in your calibers, even if it's only 100, it'll help.

Meanwhile, Biff, here's what I'll be doing. I really don't have enough components set by for you and me both, but I'll call my gunny friends that reload and put out the word on what we're looking for. If they call me back and say, "Okay, I can spare you a pound of Unique (or whatever)," you and I beat feet over there and buy it. You're the new guy, you're just getting into reloading, thanks a lot Gunny for helping us out with that.

Now, here's the thing about reloading. You don't just stuff powder in 1000 of something and call it good. What we need to do is look for some commercial "duty" rounds for you to CCW with, and we try to approximate that in our reloads. We want to tailor the load to your gun. We load 50 rounds and then go shoot them, then we load 50 more with 1/2 a grain more powder and shoot those. We change bullets and powder and crimp until we find out what your guns like to shoot, and then when we're ready to load 1000 of them, we're pretty confident that they'll work.

Thing is, Biff, I can't legally reload for you. What I can legally do is show you how it's done (while eating your pizza and drinking your beverages), and help you do it, and you'll be building knowledge and experience for when you get your own reloading gear. If you just want a big swat of ammo, get in line with everybody else. If you want to learn about reloading, I can help you, but there's more to it than most people think, and you have to consider it a learning experience. Anyway, think that over for a week or so and let me know, okay?"

That will show you if he's serious about reloading or if he just wants a back-door source of ammo. My personal feeling is, in this situation, your time is at least as valuable as his, so don't get suckered into doing all the work and him getting all the benefit. And I sure wouldn't use up my components hoping he will replace them someday - the market is too volatile right now, and might be more in the future.

But if he digs in and comes up with some stuff, and learns the basics, you may end up with a good reloading and shooting partner. Really it's up to you whether to extend the offer.

Parker

c5_nc
March 29, 2009, 09:47 PM
There is a easier way, just send him to a gun show or gun shop, its fairly easy to find ammo in any of those calibers at either. The really difficult one is a budget 380acp, which I can only find at shows. What is difficult to find is cheap ammo at walmart or budget brands online, but it sounds like he is not looking at budget ammo anyways.

c5_nc
March 29, 2009, 09:55 PM
Has he not visited a gun show or area gun shops. All the calibers listed have been available at every show I've been to. All could be found in local shops also. The thoughest one is the 380acp, local shops here only have Carbon in. Its budget ammo that difficult to find, doesn't sound like that is a requirement for him.

IndianaBoy
March 29, 2009, 10:41 PM
You sound like you are having a hard time not being a pushover.

Tell him no. Plain and simple. Your components are for your shooting.

He can go buy his own damn ammo.

I let friends use my Dillon with their own components. I don't use my time, money and effort to make ammo for some schmuck I haven't talked to in five years.

Edit:

Also: He sounds like the jerk. Tell him you have better things to do than reload ammo for him at cost. Not to mention the illegality of the issue.

Clifford
March 29, 2009, 11:47 PM
I reload from time to time for friends but I have rules they have to follow.
#1 they must fully understand that I can't be held liable for damages to the firearm, or damage to themself and we all have agreed on this.

#2 they can only fire the rounds with me present. All the reloaded ammo stays with me so they couldn't shot without me there even if they wanted to.

#3 they don't pay me for ammo but contributions of lead, primers and powder need to be made from time to time.

#4 they all help pickup the brass when we are done.

But I wouldn't load any ammo for anyone as self defence rounds.

rbernie
March 30, 2009, 12:08 AM
Regardless of whether the dude asking the favor is a jerk or not, it's illegal if you accept money in exchange for producing the ammo unless you possess the appropriate licenses. TexasRifleman pointed that out way back in post #14.

No other reason need be given.

It's illegal.

We don't do known illegal things.

Ed Ames
March 30, 2009, 12:12 AM
You could get the license and sell the ammo.

I mean, if he has money it might be worthwhile.

TexasRifleman
March 30, 2009, 12:16 AM
You could get the license and sell the ammo.


Downside to that is that once you take money for it you're on the hook for all the taxes and product liability issues that come with it.

I looked at doing some selling of extra reloads when I shot IPSC heavy many years ago and there didn't seem to be any way to make it profitable on a small scale.

Ed Ames
March 30, 2009, 12:20 AM
Yeah, probably not profitable... but the ammo market is a bit on the strange side right now. Maybe someone with supplies set by could make a tidy sum in the short haul and restock in 6 months when supply prices normalize.

That's assuming inflation doesn't eat the profits of course.

Never mind.

Hikingman
March 30, 2009, 12:20 AM
Pass on that action. Tell him to buy factory ammo he needs - where he can find it. Then, encourage him to reload on his own equipment, and after enough repeating this - tell him there's ton's of outlets, and mentor's willing to help - he'll stop asking you, and ask someone else.:D

SharpsDressedMan
March 30, 2009, 12:24 AM
At this point in time, you should ask that he supply you with the components, and sign a disclaimer, and/or have him come over and load the ammo together with you, that way he is liable for his own. Since he can't come up with components, he will just go away. You could still bill him for labor along with him supplying the components, and put all the ammo costs on him, without reducing your supplies. I have lots of components and ammo on hand, but right now, I'm not selling or loading anything for anyone unless they go out and spend their money on the supplies. It will easily be 6-12 months before anyone can get stuff from backorders placed right now around here. Guard your own stash. You worked to be self sufficent, and you don't owe anyone else any of your ammo.

TexasRifleman
March 30, 2009, 12:25 AM
I really hope that those of you predicting a return to normal availability in 6 months are right.

I'm not holding out that much hope personally :(

GotCoffee
March 30, 2009, 12:30 AM
catspa said basiclly what I was thinking. Show him what components he will need(him buying them) and let him use your equipment and show him how its done. You may get another person into reloading and he will have done it himself with a little advice and direction from you! Unless(hes a jerk or whatever)and you really dont want to help this guy out. Then use the legal excuse!

JimJD
March 30, 2009, 01:02 AM
There's been at lot of good opinions and information given. I wouldn't do it if I were you. Too many things just don't sound right, possibly illegal. Plus, he's an acquaintance. Not your friend, right? A true one? And you've "known" of him for five years.
I'm just assuming here... you said you've never been to his house. But he's been to yours and knows where to find you? On top of that, he "just shows up" at your house? :scrutiny:

You stated he's "quite well to do" and your blue collar (I've worn all kinds of colors myself and have never been "well to do"). Then he can most certainly get off his ass and buy factory loaded and/or learn to roll his own like the rest of us. But if he's "kosher", and he buys his own loading equipment, books, and components... I'm reminded of "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime." Maybe then, show him how to do it.
I don't mean to sound coarse or harsh, that's just the way I see it.

scythefwd
March 30, 2009, 03:33 AM
You could always do what I do. I am a system administrator (well I was and I still have to work with that team on their tickets till my back fill gets here) and a network engineer.

When someone invariably asks if I can help them with their personal PC, I say sure, but you will have to pay my consulting fee and it has to be off work hours. I work night shift, so I sleep most of the day while people are at work / am at work when they are home. My consulting fee is 200 an hour, minimum 1 hour charge. I have yet to have anyone take me up after they realized that I wasn't joking. I my opinion, if you want cheap IT help, go to the geek squad.

I would have the guy go out and purchase all of his own reloading stuff (except for the press if you are nice) like dies, powder, manuals, bullets, brass, primers, pocket reamers, etc. and tell him to contact me when he has what he needs. Then charge him for the rent of your equipment and for the reloading class.

Silverado6x6
March 30, 2009, 06:09 AM
Something to think about is the reality of certain people using this as a form of blackmail, either you supply them and keep on doing so or they will be working with the people that wish you to not have anything. Sadly some people will act like if they cannot have the same fruits as you then nobody can have any fruits from the tree.

woad_yurt
March 30, 2009, 11:56 AM
OP:
Copy and paste some links, email 'em to him and tell him to start ordering. Teach him if you feel so inclined but don't supply him.

Clifford:
You can have them agree to dozens of conditions but that doesn't clear you if one of your rounds damages them or their property. If you give them ammo that does damage, they can sue and win, regardless of what was agreed upon. No contract is enforceable if the conditions of the contract run counter to criminal or civil codes.

Ever see the dry cleaner's sign that says "Not responsible for lost or damaged items?" A lot of them have it printed on the back of the ticket they give you when you drop off your items. Well, according to the law, they are responsible if they do damage or lose your goods. You just have to prove it, is all.

ArmedBear
March 30, 2009, 12:01 PM
Tell him you aren't interested in money, but you would be interested in trading your components for sexual favors.

Be VERY graphic. Maybe read some "literature" first, to prep -- if you can stomach it.

My prediction: Problem solved, permanently.:D

L1D3N
March 30, 2009, 12:05 PM
Just be truthful with him about it and if he doesn't back off it's time to tell him off, not in a good way. I don't like people that try to manipulate me into doing things like that... especially if you hardly know the person. No way with the way things are going now will I be depleting my stored ammo, food etc. for anyone that isn't my close family. You make it sound like he looks at you as the local neighborhood drug dealer and he needs a fix bad. LOL!:what:

CoRoMo
March 30, 2009, 12:16 PM
If he knows that this is against federal law, and he's okay with asking you to do this... it is time to act like a jerk.

offthepaper
March 30, 2009, 12:34 PM
If he knows that this is against federal law, and he's okay with asking you to do this... it is time to act like a jerk

agreed.

Noxx
March 30, 2009, 12:40 PM
What I don't understand, and it's possible.... okay *probable* that I am just a jerk, is the need people have to provide a reason for saying no to uncomfortable requests like this.

It's my s***, it's my time, it's my decision, the answer is no and I don't need to explain myself.

Then again, perhaps I am just bitter after a lot of years of silly requests, but that's how I see it.

ArmedBear
March 30, 2009, 12:48 PM
You're not a jerk, Noxx.

You're just not a wuss.

Problem is, we're a nation of wusses. See November 4, 2008.

Duke of Doubt
March 30, 2009, 01:09 PM
woad yurt: "Ever see the dry cleaner's sign that says "Not responsible for lost or damaged items?" A lot of them have it printed on the back of the ticket they give you when you drop off your items. Well, according to the law, they are responsible if they do damage or lose your goods. You just have to prove it, is all."

Generally correct. A place may or may not be found liable, but their funny little "disclaimer" sign generally will have no effect on this determination. May as well put up a sign saying, "We employ an armed robber and homicidal maniac. Not responsible for your stolen articles, death or dismemberment."

highbrass
March 30, 2009, 01:10 PM
"Sorry, no can do." If you want to bother, provide him with online sources for reloading or bullets. if he asks why tell him about the law. Keep if short and simple.

W Turner
March 30, 2009, 01:22 PM
I would let him scrounge for the components then teach him how to use my equipment under my supervision. Be nice to teach someone else and he may end up being a reloader himself before it's all over.

W

Duke of Doubt
March 30, 2009, 01:23 PM
W Turner: "Be nice to teach someone else and he may end up being a reloader himself before it's all over."

And another local competitor for scarce components, perhaps with more resources to outbit you for them.

ConstitutionCowboy
March 30, 2009, 01:27 PM
This guy isn't being nice to you. He's wanting to be using you. He's not a friend. Read the book "Boundaries" and you'll get a clue as to where to set up stop signs.

Obviously, you are not comfortable with his proposal. Just say "No." He'll attempt to negotiate but stick to your guns. Tell him you just don't load ammo for anyone but yourself. You don't need to say why. You do not owe him any reason. You do not owe him anything. Don't subordinate your rightful hesitations to his overbearing.

If you're in the business of loading custom ammo, set the price, get cash up front, and tell him when he can come pick it up. Period. Otherwise, lose this guy.

Woody

PX15
March 30, 2009, 01:28 PM
JMOfartO:

Casual acquaintances are not good buddies...

This guy is just using you, and while it's a good deal for him, it's a crappy deal for you...

I'd pass, and if he took offense to your position you have just proved to yourself you made the right decision.

Jesse

DHJenkins
March 30, 2009, 01:31 PM
It's simple - it's not worth your time.

Evnldr
March 30, 2009, 01:33 PM
Here is a thread about buying reloads from dealers

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=407333

CoRoMo
March 30, 2009, 01:38 PM
If you really want to be nice, just track down some ammo for him and point him in that direction. Otherwise, just tell him that you don't have time to do it, or get out of it any way you can.

hso
March 30, 2009, 01:39 PM
Tell him that the liability and legality of loading ammo for others is very clear and that it's not something that either one of you want to get into.

On the other hand, tell him you'll be happy to find the ammo for him, but he's got to provide the money and a "service fee" for the work involved. As long as he doesn't care what the cost is you can contact GA Arms and order a thousand of each in for him and take 10% as your "fee".

SpecialKalltheway
March 30, 2009, 01:43 PM
Just point him towards this thread. I bet halfway through the first page he gets the hint :D

Omaha-BeenGlockin
March 30, 2009, 01:48 PM
Just simply tell him you are too busy with work and kids---your mother in law is sick--you're renovating the house--planting a garden-- ect.......

Here's Cabela's number and I'm sure they can help you out.

Dark Skies
March 30, 2009, 01:49 PM
How about a good old fashioned English response?

'Sorry, chap, but I really can't be arsed.'

CoRoMo
March 30, 2009, 02:03 PM
"I'd be happy to... but you own a Kimber."
:neener::neener::neener:

crowbardog
March 30, 2009, 02:46 PM
What PX15 and Dark Skies said. Especially what Dark Skies said!!!

If he still doesn't get it, do what SpecialKalltheway suggested; send him here. Although, chances are his time is too valuable/attention span too short, to benefit from forums such as this one.

Mike Miller

SharpsDressedMan
March 30, 2009, 07:29 PM
I must alter my view on this guy. Prior to this, his time was too valuable. But now his time isn't worth crap, or he can go take some of the high value proceeds of his time and spend those very big bucks on the going price of ammo. As many have indicated, he is just selfish, lazy, and looking for a patsy. He is basically inferring that his time is worth more than yours.

SpecialKalltheway
March 30, 2009, 07:40 PM
"On the other hand, tell him you'll be happy to find the ammo for him, but he's got to provide the money and a "service fee" for the work involved. As long as he doesn't care what the cost is you can contact GA Arms and order a thousand of each in for him and take 10% as your "fee"."

not a bad idea, but how about you just buy it, dump it into a container and charge him what it cost plus the 10% and tell him you reloaded it yourself :evil: make sure you tell him what a deal you are cutting him as well :D

Lightninstrike
March 30, 2009, 07:52 PM
The real reason I wouldn't do it is because he sounds like the grasshopper at the door of the ant.

That's the one. He had money for two Kimber pistols, right? They aren't cheap. Cite your concern over liability, maybe point him to a few websites and let him work it out himself. If he doesn't have the wherewithal to do that much for himself he isn't worth the trouble. Be polite but firm. No need to be a jerk. IMHO FWIW.

2TransAms
March 30, 2009, 08:01 PM
What I don't understand, and it's possible.... okay *probable* that I am just a jerk, is the need people have to provide a reason for saying no to uncomfortable requests like this.

It's my s***, it's my time, it's my decision, the answer is no and I don't need to explain myself.

Then again, perhaps I am just bitter after a lot of years of silly requests, but that's how I see it.I'm with you. See, my wife is the opposite. She won't turn down anything no matter how much it puts her out, and at times I've had to step in and say, "No, you're not going to do this, because I know you don't want to and your generosity is being taken advantage of." She's concerned that people think she's "nice", whatever that means to her.

I, however, have no such qualms, and if the answer is "No" then I really don't care how you feel about it, nor do I need to explain myself.

Shooter973
March 30, 2009, 08:06 PM
Thanks guys for all your advise...I just needed to hear that I wasn't the only one thinking I was being Used. He told out right that his time was to valuable to learn to reload. Meaning mine was not, and money could compensate for any thing. I did give him some leads on looking for the Ammo her wants but now he wants me to do the drudge work and just let him know how much money. I don't want to be his lackey either, let him do his own looking and put the orders on his Credit Card, and account not mine.
He's just kinda spooked about not being able to get his stock pile of ammo and wants me to do it for him one way or the other. I have decided I won't do it either way. He can do his own scrounging just like the rest of us. I guess several of ya are right he's not realy a friend at all.
It is kinds nice to know that I have something he doesn't and its galling to him.:)

gym
March 30, 2009, 08:10 PM
I had a similar thing happen with a guy who used to own a store across the street from my store in Forest Hills, Queens, twice in 15 years he poped up in FL, and insisted on coming over very concerned about my bad back. I made him uncomfortable enough to where he won't be coming back again. Sometimes you have to just tell someone like that, that you really feel uncomfortable doing that favor for him, and you aren't in the ammo business. If that isn't enough , "it should be", then just tell him no, you don't need to explain yourself to him, and you aren't close enough to him to feel obligated to give him an explanation. Then just walk him out. You aren't going to see his butt again anyhow, and he is imposing on you.

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