[BlackNet]

This is a powder box I just finished with. I have included some in progress photo's as well.

large enough for 6x 1 pound cans
http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/d/30230-2/IMG_7747.JPG

force hinges
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http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/d/30179-2/IMG_7688.JPG

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http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/d/30190-2/IMG_7699.JPG

[bigbadgun]

WOw very nice

[Ginormous]

That's really nicely done. And smart too.

I don't think I have seen this addressed before, but I've wondered about the proper storage of the 4 or 5 lbs. of black powder I keep at home. I don't have enough space to keep it in my current fire safe, and my gun safe is loaded up the brim as well. I've thought about some sort of metal magazine, but this may be an even safer idea. Some fire and heat resistance, static proof, secure if locked, and affordable. Best of all, it looks like furniture, so it doesn't scream "Hey, black powder, over here!!"

I may have found my next project. :)

[BlackNet]

I was looking at some type of wood burning and put the club's name on it or something. maybe.

As for storage I have been using 30 cal ammo cans under my desk which works fine. As for static goes that's almost a non-issue as most issues you hear about is from manufacturing and pre graphite days.

[scrat]

that is very very nice. So i think you need to post the measurements on it.

[madcratebuilder]

Now that's a strong box. Very nice.

[Ginormous]

put the club's name on it or something. maybe.

Rule #1: He who stores the powder, gets to name the box.
Rule #2: If any club member differs in opinion, see Rule #1

[BlackNet]

outside dimensions: 10 wide, 7 deep and 8 3/4 high.
inside dimensions: 8 3/4 wide, 5 1/2 deep and 7 1/4 high.

Just enough to store 6x 1 pound cans of powder.

[MutinousDoug]

How did you screw the front of the box in place?

[BlackNet]

the L brackets and the corner brackets on the inside.

[bosse1960]

very cool,,thinking of one for my dad,,,,great photos man thanks to you ,,,nice job

[husker]

go into bizz. ill buy one

[NobleSniper]

Very well done .

[Macmac]

Would you care to improve it?

[BlackNet]

Improve it how?

[Macmac]

Well I don't want to get out of line, but there are several things you could do to improve the box.

One is adding feet so there is an air space when the box is placed on grass..
Most older boxes have this feature for use on land, at sea, and sometines in the home as many homes had a dirt floor.

Another is to inlet the hinges under the lid. ( folded between the rear side and the lid.)

And if you englarge the lid in all directions it will tend to shed water better.

In order to do this you might consider adding 1.5 inches to the lid in width and length, so 3/4" over hangs on each side.

If you do, you need to mark off the rear edge to inlet the hinges. Once the hinges are installed the lid will rise and stop straight up. The lid will not stay open by it self, and you don't want a powder box lid to stay open by itself anyway. It will close even if you forget.

At most events copper and brass only fittings, on a box are allowed in contact with powder cans. I personally don't consider mild steel a sparking item, but others do.

I hope you don't take this in a ill mannor and it sure isn't intended to be so.

[BlackNet]

Macmac, I dont take ill to that post and I do like what you are suggesting. There is nothing wrong with improvements and this is my first powder box so many ares I can improve it.

I was thinking to cut the corners at a 45 degree angle and use the corner brackets on the outside rather than the inside.

The hinges you can get these hidden hinges that look like rods.
http://www.pennstateind.com/graphics/400px/BHINGE.jpg

As for overhang and wet I would think a SLOPING lid would be more workable for that. I have parts enough for another box and will draw up plans for that.

[Macmac]

Well there is even more, but I didn't want to get in trouble with you Sir..

A lid like a 'casset' is very rounded and there are all sorts of moldings that were made to shed water. If you search items from the 18th century you will find powder boxes for naval use showing refined details sometimes.

Some boxes have a double lid. You can store tools in the top of a rounded lid and then have the powder below.

Some boxes are lined in copper, a bit pricey these days, and the copper liners are soldered.

Some of these ideas from way back are still important, while for all I know you just wanted a safer range box..

I am a dyed in the wool Buck Skinner / re-enactor, so when i want to make something I want it to be the way it was back then. Often times there are features I would not have dreamed of, and I find the reasons why.

As such water in places i don't want water have been a problem even on a nice sunny day. One item that was terrible, was a glass top display box common at any gun show in the USA. You toss a few metals items in one and put it on a trade blanket under the sun and it makes water... May I say grrrr...? That means you must open the lid to a distance sticky fingers can enter.. Or lock it and get any contents wet.


Sticky fingers have no buiness on a child or a thief, and certainly do not belong in a powder box..

The brass hinges you show look like cleaning jags for BP guns that shoot around corners! :D

[arcticap]

BlackNet,
I like your storage box just fine the way it is and you have much better woodworking skills than I do too.
I just store mine in the same plastic box that I received it in.
I suppose that I could also store it in a plastic ammo can or in a portable cooler. But I'm not really too concerned about where it's kept.
If I was worried about a house fire then I'm sure that there are better ways for me to store it.
Like in a commercially made BP magazine or in a fire rated gun safe.
I suppose that you could always install an automatic sprinkler system inside of your box so that if it gets too hot, then it will turn itself on and quench those cans of BP in a constant stream of water to keep them cool & wet! :D

BTW, here's a previous thread about BP storage:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=353344&highlight=magazine

[gotgcoalman]

Arcticap is the first pic of a power puff girls lunch box?

No offense ment, but here in the UK propper BP MUST

be stored in a wooden container (don't know why) as

wood burns and powder goes Whoosh when it hit's flash point.

Fire resistant safe seems better (i have 1) but it's a no go here.

Possibly due to combustion and compression = Big Explosion.

Ie: Safe made of steel and reasonably air tight.Powder gets

hot enough and my insurance policies have been shot into space lol.

Ironically i could store 777 BP substitute in a safe and be within the

law over here lol.



EU law states any imperial measurement needs three men to lift it!

[arcticap]

Arcticap is the first pic of a power puff girls lunch box?


I don't know what its design was intended for except that it's a 9" X 12" X 3.5" pink plastic brief case/storage box.
It's are all from the LEO that I bought it from, and who in turn got it from his police dept. shooting instructor. :p
Most folks in the U.S. simply store their black powder cans in the same cardboard box that they were delivered to their houses in and a cool dry place.

[gotgcoalman]

Sorry Articap didn't mean any disrespect.
(you've helped me loads in the past)

All i saw was a pink lunch box and
made the wrong conclusion.

I was trying to point out that over here
in the UK (wood is good/steel box a no go
and plastic 5 to 10 years for not storing properly)

ps does box keep your sandwiches fresh? mine does.

[Macmac]

Wait a second I am the type of guy to store powder in a pink girlie lunch box, just to get a laff...

I am ever so highly offened that arcticap came up with this idea before he told me so I could make claim! :D

[arcticap]

There's just something about the color pink...oh never mind! :D

[WomenofCaliber]

Very nice job!! It looks great!

[Macmac]

arcticap , I once knew what to do with something that looked like 'that'! I sort of still do, but forget exactly what..

Aging and BP go well with one another, but aging and young girls don't quite cut it anymore.

I found that training is involved and at my age I wonder if I have the time? :D

[arcticap]

Don't think about that...if it's pink just hop on in and take it for a spin!
And bring along a pink BP box too! :D