[winstonsmith]

In the united states, who has had the worst effect on our right to keep and bear arms? If you had to pick one person, who would it be, and why?

[KC]

Sahra Brady
Dianne Feinstein
The Kennedys
The Clintons

...all for obvious reasons, should be on the top ten list. As to the worst, I'm not sure. The Assualt Weapons Ban of 1994 hurt a lot; if for no other reason than the UN approves of it. The 1986 automatic weapons control act wasn't productive. What about the (1964?) requirement for manufacturers to put serial numbers on their products?

[Standing Wolf]

All the above.

[BigG]

Congress.

[geekWithA.45]

The courts are supposed to be the backstop, the (second to) last safeguard of Rights of the people.

In many parts of the country, they have failed us.

[4570Rick]

GUN OWNERS WHO WONT GET INVOLVED IN THE RKBA FIGHT :fire:

[Quartus]

Bingo.


Can't pin it one one person. Can't even pin it on a top ten. It doesn't work that way.

Schumer, Feinstein, et al couldn't do a thing if the 80 million gun ownwers would get off their complacent, stupid butts.

[jimpeel]

APATHETIC FIREARMS OWNERS!

[tyme]

FDR

[Mark Tyson]

Lazy, selfish and turncoat gun owners.

[stevelyn]

Dumbarse gun owners who can't or refuse to see the relevance between EBR shooters, hunters, handgunners, shotgun gamesmen, and shooters of any other label.:fire: :banghead: :cuss:

[Bruce H]

tyme has it exactly right. Without FDR's supreme court there would have been no Miller. This is the basis for all following legislation. No legislation has ever lost when applied incrementally. A little here and a little there, after while it is all gone. The current drop, Shumer, Feinstein,Brady, are just more brazen about it. The old " a little worked" lets go for the whole nine yards.

[tyme]

Also, perhaps someone heavily involved in discrimination and black codes would be just as good, or whoever in Congress was primarily responsible for introducing the 18th Amendment, since that started a major aspect of the whole victimless-crimes mess.

[emc]

4570Rick beat me to it. There are all too many gunowners who just don't understand that one man's hunting rifle will eventually become the gun-grabbers' sniper rifle. :banghead:

We're in this together.

FWIW,

emc

[geekWithA.45]

Tyme: long story short, prohibition was largely the result of organized proto feminists seeking to legislatively enforce moral reform.

Sound familiar?

[MuzzleBlast]

It was mostly because of Capone's gang's use of Thompsons that we get the first Federal "gun control" law, the National Firearms Act of 1934. This made the whole idea of "gun control" at the federal level seem acceptable to people. This notion was then furthered by FDR and all his socialist administration, which seemed to regard individual responsibility as a quaint notion. Firearms stay out of the public's notice until someone uses a gun in an illegal fashion. Al Capone started the whole mess.

[Mark Tyson]

How much were full autos used in crime pre-1934? I heard Bonnie & clyde got theirs not from a store but from robbing a police station!

[MuzzleBlast]

Didn't matter how much. It only takes one incident, and the media to get hold of that incident and exploit it, to stir up the sheeple into accepting any "gun control" proposal. It only took one incident (Dunblaine?) to get all of Britain disarmed. It only took one incident to get all of Australia disarmed. The one incident that led to the NFA was the "St. Valentine's Day Massacre."

[geekWithA.45]

Don't forget the twisty tax bit on NFA 1934!

In order to claim _any_ federal jurisdiction over firearms, they could only regulate something they taxed, and so...they slapped a $200 tax on NFA weapons.

DESPITE the fact that things like poll taxes and the like are regularly shot down by the courts, because "rights can't be taxed". :barf:

Prior to that, all attempts to regulate the keeping and bearing of arms where effected at the state level, with blatant racist intent.

This laid the cornerstone for the mess we're in today.

[SW 586]

Governor Holden and his puppets aren't helping me too much at the moment.

[rick_reno]

The NRA - and I'd have to think about whether it's Wayne LaPierre or Tanya Metaksa, but I'd lean toward Wayne.

They've convinced gun owners to pay them to negotiate their gun rights away. By the way, anyone know what LaPierre makes a year in salary and compensation?

[RON in PA]

Rather than point my finger at any individual I'd say that urbanization, the growth of mass media, the increasing complexity of modern society and governments' attempts for simple minded quick fixes that disgard fundimental rights are to blame.

[Balog]

Muzzleblast:
Actually, I hold that the NFA was enacted, at least in part, to provide something to do for the many federal agents with nothing to do after Prohibition was repealed. It wasn't passed as a result of much hew and cry among the GDP (Generally Dumb Public) over "evil" machine guns and sawed-off shotguns. It was snuck in as another of FDR's insidious socialistic work programs.

[Ladybug]

The United States Supreme Courts of 1876, 1886, 1839 and 1980.

[Balog]

Ladybug:
Please refresh me as to what decisions were made in those years. And what about 1939, when Miller was ruled on?

[Zedicus]

IMHO the ones that have the Most Detramental effect on RKBA are the Turncoat Elitist types that if you arent in there group (cleque) they think you don't have a right to own arms.

IE:
Hunters who say things like "What do you need that AR for? you can't hunt with a thing like that! so you don't "need" it!."

Shotgunners who say things like "You don't need that 1911, you can't shoot skeet with that!"

Others who say things like "What in the allmighty's name do you need Full Auto for?"

morons who think & say "I don't see why you need to be able to have a Glock, Only Gang members & Murderers have those!"

Imbeciles who try to make others beleve that "The AK-47 or any Russian made firearm is designed to kill children and hoze down Nighberhoods with unlimited bullets."

And other such Nonsence...