megatronrules
January 17, 2003, 03:03 AM
Are these guns any good? I am looking for input on them as I've only handled one but have not owned/shot one yet. I've heard good things about them but am looking for actual input. Thanks for any help.
steyr m-series 9mm a good gun?
If you enjoyed reading about "steyr m-series 9mm a good gun?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
denfoote
January 17, 2003, 06:57 AM
Oh Lord!! Lets not get this fight going again!!!!! :rolleyes:
cslinger
January 17, 2003, 10:33 AM
Just to give you a quick rundown.
They seem to be very reliable, accurate and feel great in most peoples hands. I have enjoyed shooting the ones I have shot and like the placement of the saftey.
Now on to the saftey aspect. There is an ongoing debate that goes well above my head as to whether or not these firearms are designed in such a way to be safe during a failure or drop situation. Much of this centers around how far the striker is actually cocked and what exactly keeps it from falling short of pulling the trigger.
We have had members hit the slide with rubber mallets, do mechanical engineering thesis' and correspond with the designers all to no avail.
Their are people who swear by them and feel completely safe and those who think they are bombs ready to go off at any minute.
Me personally, I think parts are too scarce and there is enough controversy to make me wary. This could simply be my ignorance on the internal workings of the gun and I am not taking a side either way.
My answer is simple buy a SIG.:p but hey I am one of the resident SIGAHOLICS here.
Go to www.thefiringline.com and do a search on the Steyr and you will have more reading to keep you busy then you think.
Good luck.
Chris
They seem to be very reliable, accurate and feel great in most peoples hands. I have enjoyed shooting the ones I have shot and like the placement of the saftey.
Now on to the saftey aspect. There is an ongoing debate that goes well above my head as to whether or not these firearms are designed in such a way to be safe during a failure or drop situation. Much of this centers around how far the striker is actually cocked and what exactly keeps it from falling short of pulling the trigger.
We have had members hit the slide with rubber mallets, do mechanical engineering thesis' and correspond with the designers all to no avail.
Their are people who swear by them and feel completely safe and those who think they are bombs ready to go off at any minute.
Me personally, I think parts are too scarce and there is enough controversy to make me wary. This could simply be my ignorance on the internal workings of the gun and I am not taking a side either way.
My answer is simple buy a SIG.:p but hey I am one of the resident SIGAHOLICS here.
Go to www.thefiringline.com and do a search on the Steyr and you will have more reading to keep you busy then you think.
Good luck.
Chris
Handy
January 17, 2003, 11:18 AM
As one of the great debaters, I will quickly summarize the debated problem and run:
1. The striker on the M is mostly cocked when loaded. Tests by M owners show that it is cocked enough to detonate the primer.
2. Unlike other combat guns, there is no equivalent to a firing pin block (Sig, Glock, Beretta) or a half cock notch (1911, BHP, CZ) to catch the striker in case the sear or striker hook broke off (from wear, stress, defect). If they did break, the gun would fire itself from your holster, nightstand, whatever. No impact necessary.
It seems to be a great gun in every other respect. Some early owners reported burst fire due to loose slide fit, but no one knows why for sure.
If you believe that the sear and striker are constructed in such a way that they could never break unexpectedly, go ahead and buy. Personally, I don't think that any one piece of metal can be trusted like that, so I wouldn't. Your call.
1. The striker on the M is mostly cocked when loaded. Tests by M owners show that it is cocked enough to detonate the primer.
2. Unlike other combat guns, there is no equivalent to a firing pin block (Sig, Glock, Beretta) or a half cock notch (1911, BHP, CZ) to catch the striker in case the sear or striker hook broke off (from wear, stress, defect). If they did break, the gun would fire itself from your holster, nightstand, whatever. No impact necessary.
It seems to be a great gun in every other respect. Some early owners reported burst fire due to loose slide fit, but no one knows why for sure.
If you believe that the sear and striker are constructed in such a way that they could never break unexpectedly, go ahead and buy. Personally, I don't think that any one piece of metal can be trusted like that, so I wouldn't. Your call.
sturmruger
January 17, 2003, 11:47 AM
I bought my first Steyr 18 months ago, I bought the M9. I now have over 2000 rounds through the M9 with out any problems! I bought a M40 back in Nov. I have almost 500 rounds throught it and have never had a problem of any kind. I am going to pick up a Steyr S40 after work. I am really sold on this gun!! They are a fantastic gun for the price. If Steyr still had a importer these gun would probably be $500. They don't have anyone that is actively importing. That is why they are so cheap. Go to CDNN (http://www.cdnninvestments.com/) to check out there downloadable catalog. I got my M40 for only $299, and the S40 was $399!!
I would not believe all of the rumors about this gun not being safe. I have read all of the posts on TFL (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/index.php) that talk about the internal workings of this gun. If you read it all it is obvious even to a lay person like myself that this is one of the safest pistols ever built.
If you want to buy a Steyr don't pay to much and buy it somewhere else. CDNN is the way to go.
I would not believe all of the rumors about this gun not being safe. I have read all of the posts on TFL (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/index.php) that talk about the internal workings of this gun. If you read it all it is obvious even to a lay person like myself that this is one of the safest pistols ever built.
If you want to buy a Steyr don't pay to much and buy it somewhere else. CDNN is the way to go.
tetchaje1
January 17, 2003, 12:43 PM
It is safe.
Handy's reference to a "M owners show that it is cocked enough to detonate the primer," was performed by one person who I had never heard of before in that thread. (Probably Jimmy Mac posting under a different name... :neener: )
I have discussed in great detail, the workings of the Steyr pistol with Dr. Aigner, Steyr's chief design engineer, and Twoblink has been in contact with Mr. Bubits, the conceptual father of the pistol design. Do a search on TFL and find posts written by me, Handy, Twoblink, and Jimmy Mac and you will have a lot of information with which you can make your own personal choice.
Best.
At least Handy and I agree on the P7M8... :p
Handy's reference to a "M owners show that it is cocked enough to detonate the primer," was performed by one person who I had never heard of before in that thread. (Probably Jimmy Mac posting under a different name... :neener: )
I have discussed in great detail, the workings of the Steyr pistol with Dr. Aigner, Steyr's chief design engineer, and Twoblink has been in contact with Mr. Bubits, the conceptual father of the pistol design. Do a search on TFL and find posts written by me, Handy, Twoblink, and Jimmy Mac and you will have a lot of information with which you can make your own personal choice.
Best.
At least Handy and I agree on the P7M8... :p
Handy
January 17, 2003, 02:06 PM
Well then, perform the test yourself!
You have a Steyr and can probably find a primed case. Wouldn't that be a better and more honorable alternative to trying to libel me?
You have a Steyr and can probably find a primed case. Wouldn't that be a better and more honorable alternative to trying to libel me?
Coronach
January 17, 2003, 02:11 PM
Gentlemen. ;)
Need I say it?
Mike :D
Need I say it?
Mike :D
sturmruger
January 17, 2003, 02:13 PM
Why is this gun so controversial??? I think it is fairly clear if you take the gun apart, it is a safe gun. The bottom line is do you like the feel of the gun in your hand megatron??? I do and that is why I own three of them. If you listen to allot of people a Steyr M40 is akin to a cocked revolver waiting to go off. Sounds like allot of BS to me.:cuss:
Oh and by the way I have never seen a Sig for $299, if I had I think I would have bought one. You get really good value with Steyr.
Oh and by the way I have never seen a Sig for $299, if I had I think I would have bought one. You get really good value with Steyr.
tetchaje1
January 17, 2003, 04:54 PM
Sorry Handy, didn't mean to hit a nerve. I was just poking fun.
I guess I need to be a little bit more clear with lots of ;) and :p and :D and :neener: emoticons so I don't step on toes.
There isn't anything wrong with a little healthy debate, and the debate in question motivated me to completely dissassemble my Steyr to investigate the mechanism. If you don't feel comfortable with the design it sure as heck isn't my place to try and force you to think otherwise.
No flame (or libel) intended, Handy. :)
I guess I need to be a little bit more clear with lots of ;) and :p and :D and :neener: emoticons so I don't step on toes.
There isn't anything wrong with a little healthy debate, and the debate in question motivated me to completely dissassemble my Steyr to investigate the mechanism. If you don't feel comfortable with the design it sure as heck isn't my place to try and force you to think otherwise.
No flame (or libel) intended, Handy. :)
bandaidman
January 17, 2003, 05:42 PM
i have one and like it
reliable and a good shooter
sights take a bit to get used to and the finish is not anywhere as durable as the glock tenifer. also only 10rd mags
reliable and a good shooter
sights take a bit to get used to and the finish is not anywhere as durable as the glock tenifer. also only 10rd mags
Handy
January 17, 2003, 08:21 PM
Again, I don't have one, you do. Instead of talking, try the test.
PCRCCW
January 19, 2003, 08:22 AM
Handy....not doubting you or what you know...but a question of curiosity? How is the Steyr "cocked enough to set off a round" differently than any other DAO/Striker gun of similar design...Kahr, Glock etc. The internal safety issue? Like a striker block....again just curious...
Im mostly curious about this...Ive shot an M" gun and rather liked it...but back then they were quite pricey...Steyr was the FATHER of the striker fire design....you would think if they were the originators as they were...they would build quite a good gun.
If the metal parts broke off of the bottom of the striker on these guns...they would go off just as described. All have slide activated/cocked strikers and the trigger "releasing" the striker......
This information about them going south is new to me and just wanted to pose the question...
Shoot well
Im mostly curious about this...Ive shot an M" gun and rather liked it...but back then they were quite pricey...Steyr was the FATHER of the striker fire design....you would think if they were the originators as they were...they would build quite a good gun.
If the metal parts broke off of the bottom of the striker on these guns...they would go off just as described. All have slide activated/cocked strikers and the trigger "releasing" the striker......
This information about them going south is new to me and just wanted to pose the question...
Shoot well
Handy
January 19, 2003, 12:25 PM
Kahrs, Glocks, Sigmas and Steyrs all have partially staged strikers, as you noted. However, the Steyr's striker spring is under more initial compression than any of the others (this was apperently done as a result of trying to ensure no out of battery firing.)
It's a simple test:
Looking at the side of one of these pistols, through the slide gap, and note the location of the striker hook when the pistol is in battery. Then take the slide off, load a blank in the barrel, retract the striker to the 'in battery' position and release (also, hold down the pin block, if the gun has one). With a Glock you'll notice that the striker barely taps the primer. The two Steyr owners who tried it found that it detonated the primer. Therefore the Steyr is MOSTLY cocked. AND, there is nothing like a pin block or half cock to slow it down if some part of its sear engagement suddenly ends.
I found Tetchaje's comment so incredibly rude because he never doubted this assertion before, but now tries to make it sound like I made it up on little evidence. This is a simple experiment any Glock or Steyr owner can try.
The Steyr is cocked enough to fire and has nothing but its sear from preventing it from going off. Like a cocked 1911 with no half cock notch.
It's a simple test:
Looking at the side of one of these pistols, through the slide gap, and note the location of the striker hook when the pistol is in battery. Then take the slide off, load a blank in the barrel, retract the striker to the 'in battery' position and release (also, hold down the pin block, if the gun has one). With a Glock you'll notice that the striker barely taps the primer. The two Steyr owners who tried it found that it detonated the primer. Therefore the Steyr is MOSTLY cocked. AND, there is nothing like a pin block or half cock to slow it down if some part of its sear engagement suddenly ends.
I found Tetchaje's comment so incredibly rude because he never doubted this assertion before, but now tries to make it sound like I made it up on little evidence. This is a simple experiment any Glock or Steyr owner can try.
The Steyr is cocked enough to fire and has nothing but its sear from preventing it from going off. Like a cocked 1911 with no half cock notch.
spacemanspiff
January 20, 2003, 06:47 PM
i'm very satisfied with my M9 and M40. if i can find a s9 or s40 that is in my price range i'll definitely buy them.
If you enjoyed reading about "steyr m-series 9mm a good gun?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
vBulletin® v3.8.6, Copyright ©2000-2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.