Remington 700 vs. Savage FP series .308


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nx302stang
April 6, 2009, 06:31 AM
I'm looking to build the best sniper rifle a working broke man can buy.

Pros and cons of both? I know for the $, Savage has better standard features, but and a remmy is a remmy!

Help me make up my mind please!

Thanks!

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General Geoff
April 6, 2009, 06:36 AM
If budget is a priority, definitely go with the Savage. It will likely be more accurate for the money.

Lloyd Smale
April 6, 2009, 09:19 AM
I dont agree. I would guess that between the two guns there about equal and its more in the luck of the draw as to the gun you get then the brand.

adam500
April 6, 2009, 09:24 AM
nx302stang,

I have both. I have a 10FP in .223 and I also just got a Remington 700 SPS tactical in 308. Both rifle so far are around the same accuracy. I give the edge to the savage but only believe it is do to the trigger. I have also put an aftermarket stock on the savage as I did not like the flimsy plastic stock that came with it.
For triggers I personally prefer the accutrigger so far. It is what I started shooting bolt guns with and it is hard for me to go back to the X mark Pro Trigger. I have yet to adjust it (Xmark Pro) but once I do I think the triggers should be comparable.

I was able to get the SPS tactical cheaper than I could find a 10FP in 308 and that was the reason I went with it.

You cant go wrong with either gun.

-- Adam

Jerry D
April 6, 2009, 09:36 AM
I would definitely go with the Savage. Simple design, and works excellent.

There have been many discussions on whats better, rem or savage and people have mixed feelings however "in my opinion" with the 2009 savage models its another story.

The accustock is a huge improvements over the standard factory stock. It is very stiff and very rigid. With the Savage you will never need to bed it as its on an aluminum type block. This eliminates the cost of a bedding job, as well as a new stock as the accustock is good, as well savage has the accutrigger. Savage does an excellent job and if your happy with them you don't need to go aftermarket for expensive stocks and triggers.

In this sense, I beleive Savage is a better bang for the buck which will allow you a better scope. For good eyes, its a real pleasure to have nice optics however I know a few people, my dad... who thinks my grandpa's banner is clearer than my Leupold when me and my brothers are like - what's he smokin?


All in all though, if your going to get a gunsmith and stuff to work on the rifle, I would take a trued rem 700 in a nice stock with a good trigger over the savage - if I was going for a cheaper (as in cost) rifle I would take the Savage - great features for a great price.

Pat4x4
April 6, 2009, 10:20 AM
Both great rifles.. I own both.. But I Love my new remmys xmark trigger.. took 2 minutes to adjust to just under 2 lbs and is super crisp.. Shoots well too..

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh309/pat4x44wd/700tac.jpg

9mmepiphany
April 6, 2009, 07:34 PM
Savage would be the way to go even if they were both the same price.

Savage comes with the Accu-trigger and now the Accu-stock...so no bedding (or replacement stock) or trigger tuning needed. it's easier and cheaper to add a match barrel on the Savage...DIY

Southernfryedyankee
April 6, 2009, 10:00 PM
If you go with the savage replace the factory tupperware stock with a Stockade prairie dog/tactical. Stockade makes the BEST stocks for Savage rifles. The picture of the PD/Tac is a lil outdated it has a more pronounced butt hook. I have the old version like the 1 in the picture. Kevin Rayhill is awesome

http://www.stockadegunstocks.com/stocks.html

MAX100
April 6, 2009, 10:43 PM
Go with the Savage 10FCP 308 with HS precision stock best bang for your buck. They run about $850 and nothing needs to be done to it. It's ready to go out of the box.

HS Stock Vertical grip stock
Oversize bolt Knob
AccuTrigger
24 Heavy barrel 1/10" twist with recessed crown
Detachable mag
Steel bottom metal

If you did these custom upgrades on a Remington 700 it would cost you well over $1000


GC

Pat4x4
April 6, 2009, 11:01 PM
edit, I see this one has the Mcmillian stock



here is one at buds, they have good prices too.. Does it have a detachable mag? I would like to get into one.. For a out of the box rifle it is also pretty nice for sure, Where you finding them for 850.. If you have a link to one in stock I will buy it



http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/43534

BlacklabelOP
April 7, 2009, 12:13 AM
savage 10fp .308 with Burris extreme tactical rings and a bushnell elite 3200

Have alittle less than $800 in the complete set-up

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/sweetbeard/IMG_2588.jpg

BlacklabelOP
April 7, 2009, 12:14 AM
Doubletap!!

MAX100
April 7, 2009, 12:21 AM
Where you finding them for 850.. If you have a link to one in stock I will buy it


I have three 10FCP models available all with detachable mags.

HS Precision stock

http://www.savagearms.com/images/centerfire/lawenf/10FPHSPrec.jpg


McMillan stock McMillan stocks cost more

http://www.savagearms.com/images/centerfire/lawenf/new_10FP-LE2.jpg


Accu Stock with Muzzle Brake

http://www.rrarms.com/cat_images/G18607.JPG

GC

Pat4x4
April 7, 2009, 12:45 AM
your pics did not work.. I found the one for 840.. HMMM man oh man.. Looks like the wallet will be getting thinner:D

JDGray
April 7, 2009, 05:50 AM
10FP, with a choate varmint stock, was the choate folder:barf: Very impressed with this shooter!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/IMG_2751.jpg

C-grunt
April 7, 2009, 06:04 AM
I had a 10FP in .308 and the only thing I would recommend is to pay the extra and get one of the better stocks. Though I cant comment on the new Accustock.

It was a phenomenal rifle that would definitely let you know when you messed up. I remember having some bad days, 2 inch groups (me not the rifle), and the hunters were complementing me on the groups.

It was definitely a .5 moa rifle with its favorite load.

R.W.Dale
April 7, 2009, 08:49 AM
Go with the Savage because of it's modular design.

When your skill increases with the Savage YOU can preform all kinds of upgrades to the savage including stepping up to an aftermarket bbl.

With the Remington Your gunsmith can preform all kinds of upgrades to the savage including stepping up to an aftermarket bbl.

See the diffrence

So in essence any modification done to both will cost appx 2x more with the Remington because you're paying a gunsmith to do the work


And this doesn't touch on my belief that the Sav action and particularly the bolt is better suited to top notch accuracy than the rem design

USSR
April 7, 2009, 09:08 AM
I'm looking to build the best sniper rifle a working broke man can buy.


Define "build". If you mean installing a new custom barrel, tactical stock, etc. on a factory built rifle, then by all means go with the Remington. Savages are good investments right-out-of-the box, but they don't hold their value once you start putting alot of money into them with upgrades. Oh, and BTW Savage koolaid drinkers, I don't have a dog in this fight; I build my rifles using Winchester M70 actions.;)

Don

Pat4x4
April 7, 2009, 10:17 AM
Sniper central has a cool right up on their $800 sniper rifle build.. they started with a new $200 stevens.. And had a .3 moa shooting for $788.. had all the goodies, ER shaw barrel, timney trigger, and so on.. Good read

skinewmexico
April 7, 2009, 12:29 PM
I was going to say, find a Savage in a pawn shope for $200, put a $300 Shilen or McGowen Supermatch barrel on it, and drop it in a B&C V/T stock for $200. Spend any extra money on a SSS trigger. Works pretty well, took me all of an hour to build -

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/891136/DSCN0464%28300x225%29.jpg

Or you can be hung up on the reputation Remington built with your uncles in the 60s.

R.W.Dale
April 7, 2009, 04:28 PM
Savages are good investments right-out-of-the box, but they don't hold their value once you start putting alot of money into them with upgrades.

NON issue

Does anything custom hold it's value? I doubt if sold your beloved Winchesters they would bring HALF what you have tied up in em. How does going with a platform that will cost you HUNDREDS of dollars in labor to build create a better value?


Or you can be hung up on the reputation Remington built with your uncles in the 60s.

I agree the Rem 700 is getting edged out more and more by the Shooting public over the benefits the Savage design offers. I've notices this has accelerated dramatically over the past couple years. At the rate we're going by the end of the decade building a Rem700 will be viewed in the same light as sinking money into a Bubba Mauser.

I'm beginning to notice that aftermarket manufacturers are coming out with product lines to fit the Savage before the Remington nowadays

When you buy something Like a LRPV you genuinely get something designed for precision shooting for your $$$

Buy a XCR and you get Grandpaws deer rifle with a fancied up stock and cool lookin barrel profile.

SC_1911Shooter
April 7, 2009, 05:13 PM
I just picked up one of the new 2009 Savage Weather Warrior SS models w/Accustock, Accutrigger and Muzzle brake in .308 and it's insanely accurate:

http://www.savage-rifles.com/item/62908_Savage_Arms_Rifles_Shotguns_SAV_16FHSAK_308WIN_SS_HIN.aspx

That's the best price I found, not to mention having the thing in stock. A lot of the shops around here in SC don't have the new Accustock-equipped models in yet.

USSR
April 7, 2009, 06:47 PM
I doubt if sold your beloved Winchesters they would bring HALF what you have tied up in em.

True, kroch. But that's twice what your Savage with the same amount of money into it would bring.:D

Don

R.W.Dale
April 7, 2009, 06:51 PM
True, kroch. But that's twice what your Savage with the same amount of money into it would bring.:D

Don

But put the same amount of money into a Savage and you can have TWO rifles just as accurate as one worked over Remchester:neener:

Remember you're not buying your gunsmith's wife a new Buick with a Savage

Besides you'd be shocked to learn how much more $$ you can make parting out a savage. You can literally buy em new take em apart sell the pieces and turn a profit. There are outfits in the business of doing just that

1858
April 7, 2009, 07:59 PM
When your skill increases with the Savage YOU can preform all kinds of upgrades to the savage including stepping up to an aftermarket bbl.

Other than the installation of a new barrel, what kind of upgrades can you do on a Savage that you can't do yourself on a Remington? The fact that barrel changes are a DIY project on a Savage is interesting/appealing but not really a big deal for me since Krieger only charges $270 to chamber/install a barrel which is nothing compared to the cost of 5,000 rounds of .308. You still have to pay to have a barrel chambered for a Savage even if you can install it yourself and don't forget to add in the cost of any tools required. Since 700s and Savages are both accurate out of the box rifles, I'd happily own either one, however, the AICS isn't available for the Savage, neither is a Jewell trigger so that's why I have 700s. I do wish that the Remington bolt and handle was a one-piece design but that's easily remedied.

Buy a XCR and you get Grandpaws deer rifle with a fancied up stock and cool lookin barrel profile.

I'd hardly call the 700 XCR Tactical Long Range (http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_XCR_tactical_long_range.asp) rifle "Grandpaws deer rifle".

nx302stang, you say you want to build the "best sniper rifle a working broke man can buy", if you don't ever plan on an Accuracy International stock and Jewell trigger, then get a Savage. Despite owning three 700s, that's what I'd do with those limitations in mind. The bolt is a better design, the barrel can be a DIY which means that you don't have to send the barrel/action away for work (the real benefit) which means less downtime, and accuracy will exceed most if not every shooter's ability. Now your only problem is deciding which Savage to get. If it were me, I'd probably go for the 10FCP LE for about $1100 and then change the barrel out (when money allowed) to a 7mm-08 or something along those lines. In fact, maybe I'll do just that to see what this "Savagery" is all about. :D

:)

hometheaterman
April 7, 2009, 09:20 PM
I'd get the Savage. I've yet to handle or shoot a Savage that has ever left me unhappy. I haven't handled that many however, of the ones I have I've always been impressed.

When it comes to Remington I've handled and shot a few as well as owned Remington products and I've been let down most times. The quality just doesn't seem to be there with Remington. The worst gun's I've had or shot have been Remington's. Of course I've never shot something like a Hi Point or Jennings or anything like that.

Funderb
April 7, 2009, 09:31 PM
I have had nothing but good experiences with all of my savage rifles.

MB308
April 8, 2009, 07:35 AM
There is a lonely 700 in my gun cabinet. My model 12 Savage goes to the range now. The 700 is a great shooter, but the Savage is just a little better, and feels a little more comfortable. The 700 had trigger work, glass bedding, re-crowned the barrel, and a polish job on the bolt. The Savage, I just put a scope on.

R.W.Dale
April 8, 2009, 08:27 AM
Other than the installation of a new barrel, what kind of upgrades can you do on a Savage that you can't do yourself on a Remington?

Actually there's great deal more than just the bbl swap that's owner customizable

I can change out bolt handles in 5 minutes...... LOL no silver solder needed

I can change bolt faces to anything from .223 to WSM sized in about 10

barrel and recoil lug in 15

extractor in about 20 seconds

I could even upgrade to a LRPV single shot style action

I can adjust my headspace to however tight or loose I want it

You still have to pay to have a barrel chambered for a Savage even if you can install it yourself

NO you do not pay extra for threading and cambering. You can get a 100% DROP IN fully chambered and threaded bbl for a Savage delivered to your doorstep from Pac/Nor, Shilen, Lothar Walther and a few others for between $300 and $400 which is only slightly more expensive than the blank itself purchased retail.

Savage even if you can install it yourself and don't forget to add in the cost of any tools required.

all you need is a wrench that can be bought for less than $30 and headspace gauges can be rented for very little $$$ if you don't just use a sized in your dies case.

the AICS isn't available for the Savage,


Available from the FACTORY
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/products/savage-arms-modular-sniper-system-model-10-bas-bast/
Shooting times tested this rifle and it averaged in the .3's shooting %&$^ factory ammunition.....that's nuts
http://www.shootingtimes.com/longgun_reviews/ST_savagesheavymet_200904/index.html

as for the Jewell trigger They ain't the only game in town. SSS or even the target accutrigger sans blade is just as good


The Savage is literally the AR15, Small Block Chevy or 1911 of precision bolt actions

Funderb
April 8, 2009, 02:28 PM
Im regretting giving my father the savage as a present, and not giving it to myself. :banghead: !!!

1858
April 8, 2009, 03:15 PM
krochus, thanks for the excellent information ... I had no idea that Savages were THAT modular and I do agree about the bolt handle. I can definitely see a Savage in my future, possibly the 10FCP with the intention of swapping the barrel for one chambered in 7mm-08. I'll say up front that I have no complaints about my two 700s that I use for matches. They're both WAY more accurate than I could ever be, 100% reliable and very enjoyable to shoot. However, I'd like to put together another match rifle for tactical competitions and I like the idea of trying a different platform. The Savage seems to be an ideal place to start.

Thanks.
:)

9mmepiphany
April 8, 2009, 04:36 PM
The Savage is literally the AR15, Small Block Chevy or 1911 of precision bolt actions

oK...another money pit in my future...so we'll start with the fluted .260 barrel...

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