Glenn Beck on recent shootings

As we speak Glenn is talking about liberal media bias on recent shootings its very interesting

Glenn is awesome.

Beck/Palin in 2010!

He's talking now about a responsible gun owner who caught 4 worthless SOB's who killed his dog for fun and he chased them down and held them at gunpoint without firing a shot until cops came. No wild west gunfight just a responsible citizen protecting whats his. This is one of Glenns best episodes yet, we need more of this kind of media in light of recent events.;)

I wasn't even aware the Germans did a pre-war stimulus package. Kinda scary taken in context with our current situation. X

he chased them down and held them at gunpoint without firing a shot until cops came.
Maybe he was in fear of his life as they were killing his dogs. However, I'm still not sure if he was justified in chasing them down or would have been justified in shooting them if they had attacked him when he was chasing them, morally if not legally.

I was just logging on to discuss this!

Wanted: Michael Edmonds

SOB is being nice.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO? I'm mortified at the idea some psycho coming and hurting my baby girl (German Shorthair Pointer-4 yrs old).

I'm still not sure if he was justified in chasing them down or would have been justified in shooting them if they had attacked him when he was chasing them, morally if not legally.

Personally, I'm amazed he didn't kill them. I'm not sure I would have restraint if someone killed my family member. Morally how are you not justified? THEY KILLED HIS DOG!!!

From what he said he was on the phone with 911 as he was chasing them.

He's talking now about a responsible gun owner who caught 4 worthless SOB's who killed his dog for fun and he chased them down and held them at gunpoint without firing a shot until cops came.

That "responsible gun owner" is Navy Seal Marcus Luttrell (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0316067598?tag=glennbeckcom-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=st1&creativeASIN=0316067598&adid=0Y931B6XJHPBNYPAXQZ0&).

He showed significantly more restraint that I would have.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/23658/


Based on how it went down (according to Beck), he'd have been justified in killing all four of them right there in his yard. Armed punks skulking around at 1am, murdering pets ... I seriously doubt the DA would have done anything but pin yet another medal on him.

Ever have your dog shot by punks that just laughed an then said they would kill you next.....He did what alot of us would want to do, except he didn't shoot. Lets blame the punks...hope they get lots of jail time for killing this Hero's dog. The sole survivor of his Navy Seal team, God Bless him.

.....

I listened to it on the way home from work (XM of course). The Seal was a lone survivor of his team in Iraq. I agree the individuals who shot his dog should go to prison, but I think he risked a lot in chasing them through 4 counties. He's lucky he is in TX. I don't think his conduct would fly north of the Mason-Dixon line. He is still more responsible than the idiots who shot his dog, but I don't think I would have chased them down.

My bet is those punks will keep an eye over their shoulder for a while if they get out especially if they know who they have PO'ed maybe they should read his book in jail. Luttrel is probably hoping they come back and look him up.
Anybody out randomly killing dogs for the fun of it falls way low on my human list, if it happened to mine there would be a debt to pay.

If someone is torturing and/or killing pets, almost a sure thing they will eventually graduate to people eventually. Glad he got them.

My bet is those punks will keep an eye over their shoulder for a while if they get out. Luttrel is probably hoping they come back and look him up.

I can't believe just how stupid those frickin punks are. Telling him (Luttrell) they are going to kill him. Maybe they'll find out he's a SEAL and rethink that.

My sig line says it all...

but I don't think I would have chased them down

Chased them down? I'd have chased them to the ends of the earth,then slowly, very slowly peeled every inch of skin from their bodies like my NVA friends taught me.

(A former Green Beret)

Wow,
Luttrell and his four man team killed 200-300 Taliban deep in their own territory. Not only did he lose everyone on his team, but eight more seals and a Chinook aircrew all were killed trying to rescue him, and those kids kill his dog. He's more a man than I am. My give-a-crap meter would have just about been pegged there and I'd probably be sitting in a cell in his situation. Those kids best thank their lucky stars that Mr. Luttrell is the man he is, not that they would appreciate that. Part of the reason all those soldiers are dead is Luttrell and his team decided not to kill three civilians they had captured, and when released they ran straight to the Taliban. What a kick in the gut.

He's talking now about a responsible gun owner who caught 4 worthless SOB's who killed his dog for fun and he chased them down and held them at gunpoint without firing a shot until cops came.That "responsible gun owner" is Navy Seal Marcus Luttrell.I believe this is referred to as a "comprehensive failure of the victim selection process".

Dear Lord. Could you pick a worse target?

Mike

A dog is an animal. nothing more. It has no more of a soul than a squirrel or a deer.

It would be illegal to shoot someone who has killed your dog in a way that does not threaten you or your family personally.

I'm what's considered trigger happy but I know when to pull that trigger and when not to.

No dog is worth standing in front of a Grand Jury over.

addendum::::

Okay I read the story. Personally I would have shot them right then and there. Not because they killed my dog but because they had a gun and used it and I would have felt "correctly" they would use it on me.

My pets are family members.

I'm sure others here feel the same way.

Glenns gonna be on Fox news channel in about 5 minutes this should be interesting

Maybe he was in fear of his life as they were killing his dogs. However, I'm still not sure if he was justified in chasing them down or would have been justified in shooting them if they had attacked him when he was chasing them, morally if not legally.



Oh yea, that is right.....only the police have the right to detain wrongdoers. ?????

Oh Ned, where to start. I'll try to speak slow for you.

A dog is an animal. nothing more. It has no more of a soul than a squirrel or a deer.


Wow! Really! Last I checked your name wasn't God. Your comment is heartless, and lame. So if you shoot and killed a cop's k9 you think you wouldn't be killing his partner who is treated as a HUMAN, and going away for life. What's wrong with you?:barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf:

I'm what's considered trigger happy

And you continue to make us on this board look good. :banghead:

Okay I read the story. Personally I would have shot them right then and there. Not because they killed my dog but because they had a gun and used it and I would have felt "correctly" they would use it on me.


You should have read it first before opening your mouth.

Last I checked your name wasn't God.

"Ned Kelly" is a pseudonym. So you don't know his real name.

but I don't think I would have chased them down

I think that statement speaks to the the gist of the discussion. You have a right to make that decision, and if what you would risk by doing so is too high a price for you personally, then obviously you have made the right decision for you.

All rational citizens have certain possessions (be it physical, monetarial, spiritual, emotional) that we do not wish to risk the loss thereof. On the other hand, there are certain boundaries that we do not allow others to cross because that crossing will threaten what is near and dear to us. Trying to stay within a reasonable framework of society, I will not let someone else define for me what I regard as precious and necessary. Neither will I try to define for others what they choose to value and protect - unless their choices conflict with mine.

None of us will live forever; we are only give limited choices of how are small slice of life will be used. We all live and tolerate a certain amount of societal slavery - ie income taxes, property taxes, legal constraints, and on and on. At what point we choose to say enough; I must resist! That moment of decision defines each of us a man. For one moment of his life, this man revealed a portion of what his borders are.

I would not respond very kindly to anyone attacking my family dog. On the other hand, the wife's cats.....................................I'll need to some time to think about that. OK, I've thought about it - just don't leave any evidence of their demise!

My pets are family members.

Unfortunately, someone "simply" killing your pet is rarely sufficient legal grounds to kill them. You may feel that they're family, but (with exceptions depending on state law which may or may not allow you to use lethal force to defend property) you cannot kill a human to save the life of a dog.

Now, when an armed person confronts you AND your dog and shoots you probably can make a strong case that you were in fear of your life. Whole different ball game.

Shooting a K9 police dog is treated as a very special situation in most places, and is not relevant to this discussion.

Whether or not the being(s) being killed posess -- or do not posess -- a "soul" does not enter into the discussion either. God won't take the stand in your defense.

-Sam

I agree that retribution for killing a pet can't be a death sentence. I also think that for someone with Luttrels background to go out in the middle of the night to investigate a gunshot and pursue the criminals should not be considered that unusual.

Everyday, I stream KVOR 740AM talk radio (javascript:void(window.open('http://stream.streamingradioguide.com/listen.php?schedid=4976&stationid=1610&rkey=22370','1610','width=758,height=395,left=20,top=20,status=no,resizable=yes,scrollbars=no'))). Yesterday, I eventually heard the story.

Glenn is again talking about this right now.

I commend that SEAL for his service to this country and for the restraint he showed in this situation. Had it been my dog I might be fighting through some courts right now trying to justify a few ugly things.

That "responsible gun owner" is Navy Seal Marcus Luttrell.


In June of 2005, Luttrell led a four-man team of Navy SEALs into the mountains of Afghanistan on a mission to kill a Taliban leader thought to be allied with Osama bin Laden. On foot, the team encountered two adult men and a teenage boy. A debate broke out as to whether the SEALs should summarily execute the trio to keep them from alerting the Taliban. Luttrell himself was called upon to make the decision. He was torn between considerations of morality and his survival instinct, and he points out that "any government that thinks war is somehow fair and subject to rules like a baseball game probably should not get into one. Because nothing's fair in war, and occasionally the wrong people do get killed."
Luttrell opted to spare the Afghanis' lives. About an hour later, the Taliban launched an attack that claimed nearly a hundred of their own men but also the lives of all the SEALs except Luttrell, who was left wounded.

Not long after that, the Taliban shot down an American rescue helicopter, killing all 16 men on board. Luttrell is sure that the three Afghanis he let go turned around and betrayed the SEALs.

Wow that is an amazing story. He spared three Afghanis while on an op, they alerted the enemy to his mens' position, resulting in the death of all of his men.
Here in the US he finds 4 men killing his pet on his property, and lets them all live.
The greatest irony would have been if showing restraint initialy and then while chasing them down had something happen (like they turned and attacked him) that resulted in charges that cost him his freedom.
Pursuing them is not an act of self defense or even just standing his ground. Any prosecutor in the country could have falsely made the case he chased them down with the intent of harming them if they turned on him at some point and he used lethal force.

It would have been almost just like his decision in Afghanistan that cost the lives of all those men.

I don't think anyone with a show aired on Fox can be trusted. They spend an awfully lot of energy on pety issues like they're trying to divert attention from more important issues. Yesterday he spent half an hour trying to debunk FEMA camps by merely showing an amtrak station. Where did that come from?

(((((Oh Ned, where to start. I'll try to speak slow for you.



Wow! Really! Last I checked your name wasn't God. Your comment is heartless, and lame. So if you shoot and killed a cop's k9 you think you wouldn't be killing his partner who is treated as a HUMAN, and going away for life. What's wrong with you?




And you continue to make us on this board look good.)))))

If anyone thinks a dog is more than an animal than they need to have their head examined. I didn't say a dog didn't have a soul. I said they have no more of a soul than a squirrel or a deer.

There's plenty of people on here who wouldn't feel a bit guilty of shooting a deer or squirrel.

So why should there be guilt in shooting a dog? Only that you destroy someone elses property. That should be the only guilt you should feel. If I see a stray dog who doesn't have an owner I kill it. Actually I feel better than killing game because I am doing the eco-system a favor by weeding out non-native wildlife.

If you kill the dog cleanly you can't even be prosecuted for animal cruelty but you will still have to reimburse the owner for monetary damages and possibly emotional trauma *which is a joke*

I like cats and I have several. Every now and then I lose one to a neighbors pitbull or someone poisons them. Do I cry bloody murder?

Nope.

Which I am still trying to figure out how to make the quote feature work.

If you haven't read the book, get on Amazon and get it. "Lone Survivor" by Marcus Luttrell. This man IS a hero. It makes me sick to hear of this incident.

All of the keyboard commandos here should definitely read it in its entirety. This man has been through more sh*t in 1 day than almost all of us have in our entire lives. Personally, I think that the Sheriff's Office should just drop those boys off for a "field trip" out near the Luttrell Ranch. I'm sure that Marcus could help with their "rehabilitation"!

Jeff
A proud Texan

Now if only Beck could get over the stories about concentration camps and showing videos of Nazis when he is talking about the president and people might be able to take him a little seriously.

He should have shot the punks. I have more use for dogs, than I do humans.

"Stray" shooter's should be shot themselves.

((((((He should have shot the punks. I have more use for dogs, than I do humans.

"Stray" shooter's should be shot themselves.)))))

I have been shot.

Domestic Dogs have no place in the wild. If they are sent to an animal shelter they inevitably cause a burden on taxpayers.

Please dont feed the trolls. :scrutiny:

Wow that is an amazing story. He spared three Afghanis while on an op, they alerted the enemy to his mens' position, resulting in the death of all of his men.
Here in the US he finds 4 men killing his pet on his property, and lets them all live.
The greatest irony would have been if showing restraint initialy and then while chasing them down had something happen (like they turned and attacked him) that resulted in charges that cost him his freedom.
Pursuing them is not an act of self defense or even just standing his ground. Any prosecutor in the country could have falsely made the case he chased them down with the intent of harming them if they turned on him at some point and he used lethal force.

It would have been almost just like his decision in Afghanistan that cost the lives of all those men.

That prosecuter might have had a time seating a jury in that neck of the woods. I bet Lutrell has sreets named after him down there.

"I don't think anyone with a show aired on Fox can be trusted. They spend an awfully lot of energy on pety issues..." What are "pety" issues?? Also, the Beck program was on CNN until about 3 months ago...was he more worthy of trust then?

From someone who grew up on a farm, sometimes dogs do need to be shot. If a dog or group of dogs are chasing your livestock (read lively hood) under Missouri state law you are completely justified in shooting the dog, and in cases of self defense you would also be justified. But driving around shooting dog for something to do, that’s just wrong. For the person who made the comment about squirrels and deer, don’t we have seasons for those, and aren’t dogs domesticated animals?

The guys who shot Marcus Luttrell's dogs should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. By the pictures of the dog that Glenn Beck showed it was only a puppy, and it was a yellow lab, not a pit bull or rottwiller, or some other dog that has a reputation for being mean (sorry for those of you that have one). Then having the gall to stand outside the guys house and laugh about it with the gun still in hand. He showed more restraint that I could have, I would have at least put a couple rounds in their back glass.

I bought his book this past weekend but I have not yet started it, now I am reading my other book as fast as I can.

I wish I could have seen the face of those guys when/if they find out who's dog they shot. We shot a NAVY SEALS DOG?!?!:eek::what:

The V.A. gave him the dog, so does that mean they can be prosecuted for destroying government property?

I am more concerned with native animals and the enviroment. Deer, Bear, Squirrels and Turkeys have a hard enough time as it is in the New Wilderness than to have additional competition from a non-native animal like the domestic dog.

Thankfully Coyotes usually weed out most strays and the ones that left usually succumb to the enviroment because domesticated dogs are generally too helpless to survive long. even Pitbulls and Rottweillers dont last very long in the wild without human help.

It's still common practice in some parts for wildlife officials to cull wild dogs. I know of a local game warden who culls them every chance he gets.

Humanely done of course.

Where I live they now don't even require you to have a hunting license to hunt non-native animals. It's a year long season.

Although a bit off of the discussion thread I also recommend reading Luttrell's book Lone Survivor. It is absolutely amazing what that man has been through. Even if you don't read very many books (I don't), read this one.

Ned Kelly: Quote
ones that left usually succumb to the enviroment because domesticated dogs are generally too helpless to survive long.

AEEENT Wrong !!! http://www.mmail.com.my/Pet_dog_survives_4_months_on_deserted_island.aspx

In before lock.

Seriously, don't feed the trolls. :barf:

Texas is a state with castle laws. He could have shot them in his yard.


Has anyone ever heard of the Texas Joe Horn shooting?

Joe Horn called 911 because he saw two men breaking into his neighbors home. He told the 911 operator he was going to confront them with his shotgun. The 911 operator told him to stay in his house nineteen times. He told the operator he has the right to defend property- when the criminals ran across his yard, Horn went outside and confronted them with his shotgun. He told them "Move, and your dead." The men ran and Horn shot both of them. They were unarmed. The shooting was investigated and found to be lawful. Horn was cleared by a Grand Jury through issue of a no bill.

Luttrell could have legally shot these men dead in his yard; however, he probably has more discretion and better judgement than alot of us here and didn't think that was necessary.:scrutiny:

I still think Joe's shooting was immoral.

And Mr. Luttel is an outstanding guy, an American hero.

and possibly emotional trauma *which is a joke*
I don't know, people can get pretty upset when a pet dies. However, you still can't shoot someone over it.

I don't think anyone with a show aired on Fox can be trusted. They spend an awfully lot of energy on petty issues
Less than MSNBC, (most partisan news channel) and maybe a little more than CNN. At least they aren't as anti-gun.

Morally how are you not justified? THEY KILLED HIS DOG!!!
You can't shoot someone out of revenge for killing your dog.

Shooting a K9 police dog
If the dog was outside and the cop was in his house, I still don't think he could shoot.

I think Obama should pin another medal on former Navy Seal Marcus Luttrell.
Men like that are to be looked up to as a role model for all.

NCsmitty

Wow this got off track fast, my original post was meant to show that we had someone on a news channel that was on our side and trust me Glenn Beck is as much on our side as anyone. We need more like him and Lou Dobbs.

I still think Joe's shooting was immoral.

Agreed.

Like I said before:

Luttrell could have legally shot these men dead in his yard; however, he probably has more discretion and better judgement than alot of us here and didn't think that was necessary.

Also, I think Glenn Beck is a real dramatic and pretty over the top. Atleast it is in the right direction though. :p

Someone obviously is posting in this thread, who never listened to the show.

Luttrell was wounded and captured in Afghanistan as post #29 details. He was also tortured at length and continues to suffer from the long term physical affects from his injuries, and he no longer sleeps during the night, but rather during the day.

His dog D.A.S.Y. was given to him while in recovery. He named her D.A.S.Y. because each letter is for a member of his fallen SEAL team.

This was a special dog, owned by a very special American.

Ned:

If anyone thinks a dog is more than an animal than they need to have their head examined.

I was hesitant to jump on the bandwagon, but in this case, the dog was much more than an animal.

Her name was DASY. She was a yellow lab puppy that was given to Luttrell during his recovery from injuries both physical and mental. Her name is an acronym. Each of the letters in "DASY" stand for the first letter of each man's name in his SEAL team that was killed.

She was less a dog and more of a living memorial to his fallen brothers, and that seriously meaningful little pup was needlessly stolen from him.

You kill my dog you better pray someone stops me from getting to you.

Dogs are Gods gift to man to teach us unconditional love.

He spent another show talking about FEMA camps. Which makes me more suspicious to them than comfortable that they're not real, especially when he does such a poor job "debunking" they exist. Why is his show based on debunking conspiracy theories when he himself portrays himself as a conspiracy theorist? His show brings no news flash to me I haven't already figured out. I think Fox has him on there to give people comfort that the network isn't cleverly scripted to delusion the masses while world government is established behind the curtain. Where are the conservatives when we need them?

hindu...
Fox news is a smokescreen for worldwide government implementation?

Between the bridge dwelling odor and the tin foil hat, I'd say you've got paltry credibility yourself.

There was an article published today about the recent surge in mass shootings..... I posted a link to it on my website, as well an objective response. If anyone is interested,
http://okiesoc.blogspot.com

I may put another post that is more opinion/editorial style, but in this post I merely wanted to get some facts out that seem to be ignored in the mass shooting debates.

Can you spell Thread Hijack! :barf:

Well Glenn Beck is certianly on my side. He has several interesting videos on related subjects to the current crisis.

Here is a pleasant example of one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4

"On April 5, 2009, four teenage males approached Luttrell's property and fatally wounded his dog, Dasy, with a .357 Magnum revolver at approximately 1 A.M. Each letter of the name "Dasy" represents one of the fallen members of his team. She was given to him in recovery to help him through rehabilitation. Luttrell proceeded to track the individuals through four counties in his truck until Texas Rangers apprehended the individuals. Upon arrest, the suspects verbally threatened Luttrell's life and taunted him. Alfonso Hernandez was arrested on-scene and charged with animal cruelty whilst Michael Edmonds has not yet been charged. On April 7, he turned himself in, was booked, and posted his bail. The other two individuals were not charged. The males are believed to also be behind the killings of other neighborhood canines"

from the wikipedia entry on him...

Yes. Unless you have anything constructive to say don't even bother insulting me.

I recently became a dog lover about 3 years ago after I raised my own dog by myself for the first time. I'm also an attorney. However, I don't think I'd be doing any quick legal analysis if someone came on my property to harm my dog. I'll leave it at that.

delete

<no, this is THR and you will comply with the user code (http://www.thehighroad.org/code-of-conduct.html)>

Deleted.

Some things are best left unquoted...

-Sam

If you don't like Gleen Beck why would you watch him????? I would say some aren't even listening to him an yet think they know, but guess I'm feeding the trolls now...
God Bless this Navy Seal....wonder if those stupid punks will be worried when they are out an walking around alone in TX?
An God Bless Glenn Beck too!

I'm listening to Glenn again today (as always), and he's got Marcus on again.

Those guys' lives are over for all intents and purposes. I'd hate to have my mugshot posted on a national news show tied to behavior like that. Good luck getting a worthwhile job for the rest of you lives.

Deleted

I think Marcus is an amazing individual. I think he is brilliant for following the perps and holding them at gun point, what a great business move. While his actions of following them and holding them at gun point can be debatable, what is not debatable is the fact that he is now getting nation recognition, and his book sales will increase %100+

Kill my dog?An application of the three S's is comming.

Okay, unfortunately discussion of putting down feral pets often leads to a threads devolving.

And this has happened once again.