*Must Watch!* Serious Bump Fire - Romanian Dragunov FPK SAW / Sniper Hybrid


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SSSCLimitedTrademark
April 7, 2009, 04:44 PM
Hello all, this is my first post here. I thought I'd show you all what a standard Romanian Dragunov FPK can do, with the original Romanian trigger group, being bump fired from the bipod.

Original Youtube Description:

This video presentation features the Romanian Dragunov FPK S.A.W / Sniper Rifle Hybrid, being bump fired for the first time from the bipod. The Dragunov FPK's action is basically the "big brother" of all AK style weapons, being chambered in the larger and more powerful 7.62 x 54R mm rimmed cartridge, as opposed to the smaller 7.62 x 39 mm round used in the RPK, and the 5.45 x 39 mm round used in the RPK-74's action. The weapon bump fired quite legitimately with the original Romanian single hook trigger group, and the FPK maintained approximately 600 RPM while firing like a machine gun. With a better trigger group and some improvements of skill on my own part, I will sure be able to dump magazines and control the bursts a lot more efficiently. I was able to maintain a pretty tight shot group along where I was aiming while firing in short bursts of 3 to 4, which shows the efficiency and accuracy of bump firing and simulating fully automatic fire on a semi-automatic firearm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wnaacv5Z0&fmt=18

Hopefully you all will give me good ratings and positive feedback. Thanks a lot for viewing.

~ Cheers, Steve.

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rickomatic
April 7, 2009, 05:07 PM
THAT!! is where all the ammo went!! :evil:

Zundfolge
April 7, 2009, 05:30 PM
Bumpfire videos ... excellent way to blur the line between real assault rifles and what Feinstein/Schumer et al claim is an assault rifle.


(sorry Steve ... FWIW still looks like a lot of fun and welcome to the High Road :D )

Rezin
April 7, 2009, 05:37 PM
What are you doing with your fingers, holding them out like a tea party?

SSSCLimitedTrademark
April 7, 2009, 05:42 PM
You're exactly right about that, Zundfolge. I find it to be kind of an art to perfect and use bump fire to your advantage. Once an individual practices enough, they can aim well and bump fire at the same time, controlling the amount of bursts, and keeping a nice tight shot group at where they are aiming. Many people state that bump fire is not practical, but I can disagree quite simply with that statement. Sure, I believe that semi-auto is the way to go in combat, but it's always best to have what's close to fully automatic fire available to you in problematic situations, if you are equipped with a semi-automatic only firearm. With a good trigger group, enough recoil, and some good technique, you can save yourself $10K and stick with a semi-auto firearm and shoot it just like a machine gun, and once you're good at it, nobody can tell the difference. ;)

ByAnyMeans
April 7, 2009, 05:46 PM
I like it. It's been a long time since I bump fired the AK's I have had. I would say since ammo hit over a hundred dollars a thousand rounds.

jad0110
April 7, 2009, 05:47 PM
With a good trigger group, enough recoil, and some good technique, you can save yourself $10K and stick with a semi-auto firearm and shoot it just like a machine gun, and once you're good at it, nobody can tell the difference.

If you use a range, be sure to check the rules first, of course. Many ranges do not allow bump firing.

WardenWolf
April 7, 2009, 05:48 PM
Good way to ruin a PSL. Those big rounds make the barrel heat up like no other. You shouldn't fire that many rounds through it in such a short time.

SSSCLimitedTrademark
April 7, 2009, 05:53 PM
Good points there, Jad0110. I believe the "one shot per two seconds" or similar rules that many ranges in gun-grabbin' states adopt are quite ridiculous. I shoot at a range without a rangemaster and those kinds of rules, which gives many of us a lot more freedom than an indoor or inter-city range. Without rangemasters and such regulations, hey, we all get along fine and nobody gets hurt. I believe such regulations and ranges where the "rangemaster is always peering over your shoulder" is only a measure to keep law abiding gun owners from truly exercising their second amendment rights, and achieving enjoyment from their Sundays at the range.

@ Mike, the barrel didn't even heat up after those videos were filmed. The bore has always been perfect, and bump firing that weapon with short bursts of 3 and 4, will not damage the barrel.

"Rules with a machine gun, this is the way I learned it long ago, is to shoot bursts of 3~5, to maintain accuracy and keep the barrel from heating up excessively."

SSSCLimitedTrademark
April 8, 2009, 02:53 AM
Allow me to bump this thread to keep the discussion going. Cheers.

evan price
April 8, 2009, 03:18 AM
SSSC:

Bump firing is fun.

However, I live a few miles from a large public range with one of those "Gun Grabbing State" slow fire restrictions. We allow no more than three rapid shots.

The reason for this is also the reason why they installed sections of guardrail over the firing line forming a roof that slopes down as it goes out- extending out 15' towards the berms- our berms are only so high, and the VAST majority of those people who like to come out and blast off mag dumps as fast as they can were overshooting the range berms.

Despite this we often have folks who don't follow the rules. As a result the Ohio Dept of Natural Resources (who run the ranges) is considering limiting to ONE ROUND IN THE GUN per shot.

The reason for this is despite the rules some shooters ignore the rules and hose away. Those bullets come down somewhere. The numerous holes in the metal over the firing lines bear testimony to their inability to control the muzzle- that- as well as the claims paid out for bullet damages below the berms- are what is driving the consideration of further restrictions.

Bump firing may be cool in nonpopulated areas. In more settled areas it's a bad idea.

I've got a bullet hole in my house from a stray round that went over the berm at the range- luckily I live far enough away that it penetrated the vinyl siding and lodged in the sheathing.

Note that I have never complained about the range, and I shoot there regularly myself, and would hate to have any further restrictions on shooting there.

SSSCLimitedTrademark
April 8, 2009, 04:54 AM
Interesting points, Evan. I had never thought Ohio had such regulations on such matters at the gun ranges over there. This brings me to the important point of responsibility in handling and operating any kind of a firearm.

At the range or just about anywhere, it is always very, very important to shoot into the berm, not above it, as somebody even a few miles away can get hurt or even killed from a stray round. This should be common sense for all law abiding and responsible gun owners. Same goes with bump firing. Bump fire is certainly not a good idea if an individual cannot control their firearm when it is cycling at such a rapid rate of fire. But I certainly expect that people bump fire their firearms knowing that they can do it safely and efficiently, without shooting above the berm, for example, or having it fly out of their hands and fatally injure someone else in the near vicinity, or even far away.

As you may or may not have seen, when I bump fired the FPK, I maintained a very tight shot group, even when the weapon was firing at an average of 600 RPM. I have full control over the rifle, and more importantly, I know what I am doing. That is why I am not worried about any problems regarding bump fire, from my own perspective.

An individual who is so ignorant and inconsiderate as to dump magazines, see their rounds fly above the berm and yet continue firing that way, should not be rapid firing, let alone even shooting a weapon at all. Bump firing is much like shooting a machine gun. Now, I can recall people getting seriously hurt or killing themselves or others because they could not control their weapon when firing at a fast rate of fire. Bump fire is a heck of a lot of fun and a good alternative to your semi automatic weapon, but it is only for people who know that they can do it safely and efficiently, while maintaining full control of their weapon at all times.

jackstinson
April 8, 2009, 09:28 AM
I shoot at that range also Even.
It's a shame that a few people keep screwing it up for the rest of us. Little commonsense safety issues. The rules they have are pretty basic safety things and easy to live with. In the past two weeks I have witnessed the RO have to deal with these situations:
A guy gets out of his car, walks out to the pistol range, gets a gun out of a cardboard box, fires off two magazines worth as fast as he could, then he boxes it back up and left.
A guy waving his Garand around during cease-fire...muzzle everywhere and he is not supposed to be touching the gun during cease-fire anyway.
A guy just climbs over the rail at the shooting line and starts walking downrange with his target in hand...while people are firing!

I remember when that range was not controlled in any manner. People would throw old TV's downrange and hose them with full auto from select-fire M14's and AR's. Bump-firing would have been mild, it was an unsupervised range with full-autos there all the time. The last time I went there in the 80's a guy was launching practice grenades off an M14, then firing at steel blocks to see how well his AP bullets worked.
It was pretty crazy back then. I stopped shooting there in the mid-80's due to the craziness. Started going back after they got park employed RO's there. Things are much better now.
Currently, it's a two-edge sword though: A lot more new shooters this year than last. Last week Troy told me that in 2008 there were around 270 shooters signed in for the 21 days of shooting in March. In March of 2009 there were 760 shooters in the same time period. When you triple the amount of shooters, you triple the odds that some of them have little or no experience and they may not be the safest shooters around.
I have no problems with the "3 rounds rapid fire" rule.

As for bump-firing? It's a fun way to expend ammo.... but.........
I cannot envision a real scenario in which I actually would need to use any of my guns in a full-auto-emulation mode. Maybe I don't have enough zombies around me...or my tinfoil hat needs refreshed? ;)

Robert
April 8, 2009, 11:47 AM
very tight shot group
Let's see the target.

axeman_g
April 8, 2009, 12:47 PM
What ever happened to one shot one kill.....

I think suppressive fire has a time and a place and I am glad you got that down. Now, work on hitting a 6" rock on the other side of that gulch your shooting in with a couple of shots from that PSL, that would really impress me.

maskedman504
April 8, 2009, 01:28 PM
In this thread THR disdains bump firing.


Okay, bump firing may have been propulgated by idiots; however, this example is one of the safest video examples I have ever see. Firing in short bursts from prone at a downward elevation into an unoccupied canyon. Shoot your gun however YOU want, as long as you are SAFE!

Steve N
April 8, 2009, 01:34 PM
Evan/Jack, which range are you talking about?

SSSCLimitedTrademark
April 8, 2009, 02:21 PM
Let's see the target.

I was not shooting at a designated target, but I was aiming for a white piece of sedimentary rock on the unoccupied road in front of me where I was aiming. I am sure you can see that in the video if you watch the dust and where my rounds are impacting. And the impacts show a fairly tight "full auto group".

I think suppressive fire has a time and a place and I am glad you got that down. Now, work on hitting a 6" rock on the other side of that gulch your shooting in with a couple of shots from that PSL, that would really impress me.

I have shot very tight groups across into the hillside, this FPK shoots quite accurately, although I never expected it to shoot such tight groups at such a far yardage aiming carefully and firing in semi-auto only. I am impressed with what this weapon can accomplish.

In this thread THR disdains bump firing.

Okay, bump firing may have been propulgated by idiots; however, this example is one of the safest video examples I have ever see. Firing in short bursts from prone at a downward elevation into an unoccupied canyon. Shoot your gun however YOU want, as long as you are SAFE!

Exactly, Maskedman504, I just don't see why they should dislike it. I thought I just got through saying for many of you, as long as the shooter knows what he/she is doing, and has full control over the weapon and can bump fire safely and efficiently, that there is no problem with shooting a semi-auto like a fully automatic firearm, No questions asked.

Kraite
April 8, 2009, 03:01 PM
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I thought I just got through saying for many of you, as long as the shooter knows what he/she is doing, and has full control over the weapon and can bump fire safely and efficiently, that there is no problem with shooting a semi-auto like a fully automatic firearm, No questions asked.

Full control and bump fire aren't general used in the same sentence.
Bump firing seems to be a balancing act of letting the rifle bounce between your shoulder and your finger- all the while trying to hang onto the rifle with your forward hand. What would have happened if your forward hand slipped off the rifle? Your back hand isn't even wrapped around the stock.

Personally- I wouldn't want to be anywhere near you if you were doing this at my range.

With that said.. it looks like fun to do. Just don't deceive yourself into thinking it serves a practical purpose. What is bump firing going to do that 2 or 3 well aimed shots won't?

JShirley
April 8, 2009, 05:54 PM
Staff understands that this can be a fun way to dump rounds downrange, but feels that there are too many potential issues to leave this open. Thanks for understanding,

John

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