NJ assault gun permit


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ejfalvo
April 7, 2009, 08:51 PM
Does anyone know of anyone who actually has received an assault gun permit in NJ?

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cbrgator
April 7, 2009, 09:25 PM
What is an assault gun? And no, I do not.

TexasRifleman
April 7, 2009, 09:44 PM
New Jersey calls them "assault firearms" and it does require a special permit.

The list of what constitutes an "assault firearm" can be found here:

http://www.njguns.com/define.htm

New Jersey does indeed require a permit, and it's a ROYAL PITA to get one.

a. Any person who desires to purchase, possess and carry a machine gun or assault firearm in this State may apply for a license to do so by filing in the Superior Court in the county in which he resides, or conducts his business if a nonresident, a written application setting forth in detail his reasons for desiring such a license. The Superior Court shall refer the application to the county prosecutor for investigation and recommendation. A copy of the prosecutor@s report, together with a copy of the notice of the hearing on the application, shall be served upon the superintendent and the chief police officer of every municipality in which the applicant intends to carry the machine gun or assault firearm, unless, for good cause shown, the court orders notice to be given wholly or in part by publication.

And no I have not personally ever read of anyone making it through the process, but I'm just a bystander from Texas so the locals might have more info on it.

Or you could just move :)

ejfalvo
April 7, 2009, 10:24 PM
Sorry, I meant assault rifle (I'm interested in the Sig 556 rifle and pistol). I read thru the regs and they are a PITA - but I was hopeing to find someone who made it thru the sh** to get what they wanted vs, what the state tells them they can have.

Prince Yamato
April 8, 2009, 12:10 AM
99% sure you will get denied. Police Officers are usually the only ones that get approved. You could go for the "All Lawful Purposes" catch-all though.

Why do you want it? For all lawful purposes- that's your answer.

everallm
April 8, 2009, 12:28 AM
Actually, as a resident of the fine state of NJ, I think I'll have a crack at this but on a slightly different track.

If I recall correctly, ANY firearm when coupled with a magazine greater than 15 rounds in capacity is categorized as an assault weapon.

I'll apply for the permit so I can purchase magazines greater than 15 rounds on the grounds that AR-15 magazines for my XCR (an otherwise wholly NJ legal weapon) are not manufactured in that capacity.

(Caveat, there is one very small company that retrofits a polymer magazine in 15 round capacities but I will argue on monopoly and safety grounds)

Will be interesting and I have time on my hands at the moment......

If (a VERY BIG if) I was approved it would put a nice little dent and provide potential leverage at a later date for others.

Don't expect an update anytime soon........It took 6+ months to get my bloody FID

Fetus
April 8, 2009, 12:31 AM
i used to live in new jersey ... you are lucky just to get a FID card .

Prince Yamato
April 8, 2009, 12:31 AM
What about a 17rnd mag for a Glock 17? There are no 15 round mags for that gun.

everallm
April 8, 2009, 01:53 PM
What about a 17rnd mag for a Glock 17? There are no 15 round mags for that gun.

Handguns require a "Permit to Purchase" in NJ which is another layer of fun but once a FID is in hand there is no need for extra paperwork to purchase an NJ legal long arm.

In addition the whole "in common usage" a-la Heller is real ease to argue for AR magazines.........

Baby steps....

qwert65
April 8, 2009, 02:21 PM
handguns can only hold 10rds in NJ

General Geoff
April 8, 2009, 02:23 PM
Incorrect, qwert65. Rifles and handguns are limited to 15 rounds; not sure about shotguns though.

rsax
April 8, 2009, 03:08 PM
No more than 6 rounds in a semi-auto shotgun.

When the ban was first announced all owners of Glock 17's were instantly made criminals. I do believe that there were factory 10 rd mags produced after the Fed ban.

mp510
April 8, 2009, 03:41 PM
I'll apply for the permit so I can purchase magazines greater than 15 rounds on the grounds that AR-15 magazines for my XCR (an otherwise wholly NJ legal weapon) are not manufactured in that capacity.

(Caveat, there is one very small company that retrofits a polymer magazine in 15 round capacities but I will argue on monopoly and safety grounds)


What about a 17rnd mag for a Glock 17? There are no 15 round mags for that gun.

They make magazines that are 15 rounds or less for both the Glock 17 and the AR Platform.Many OFM and aftermarket make make 1, 5, and 10 round AR feeding devices- and at least 1 company retrofits pmags to 15. Glock makes 10 rounders. I bet there is aftermarket mags that hold 15 rounds.

everallm
April 8, 2009, 04:35 PM
The only company that used to provide 15 round AR mags no longer carries them.

http://www.arms-n-ammo.com/

The fun part is they provide "conversion kits" for 20 or 30 round magazines but to use them you first need to own said illegal assault weapon magazines as it is illegal to own any "part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into and assault firearm"

With regard to the OP and my post, it is irrelevant if 5 of 10 round AR mags are available.

The point is to see (post Heller and in the current CA, Chicago environment) the result of applying for an "Assault weapon" permit when you do not actually have an "Assault weapon" just want to buy 15+ round magazines which makes a firearm an "assault weapon".

mp510
April 15, 2009, 04:21 PM
The fun part is they provide "conversion kits" for 20 or 30 round magazines but to use them you first need to own said illegal assault weapon magazines as it is illegal to own any "part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into and assault firearm"
There is a legal way to use the kits- buy kits, leave NJ, buy 20 or 30 round mag, modify mag out of state, return to NJ.


The point is to see (post Heller and in the current CA, Chicago environment) the result of applying for an "Assault weapon" permit when you do not actually have an "Assault weapon" just want to buy 15+ round magazines which makes a firearm an "assault weapon".
Heller allows "reasonable restrictions" without defining what they are. Even if the second ammendment was incorporated, which it really isn't yet; I have a good feeling that bans on hi cap mags would stand.

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